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Post by Ixbran on Jan 7, 2016 14:44:44 GMT -6
Yeah I think the breast issue would be solved right away if they just pulled the edge of her top a bit farther up, because in all honesty as it is now is dangerously close to Dead or Alive territory. The last thing I want is for the majority of this fan base to end up becoming horn dog frat boys who only buy the game for 'teh bewbs', while completely disregarding everything else. Big breasts aren't really an issue, but its how the company decideds to treat them, in terms of clothing, that can cause issues.
and again another issue brought up is the fact she has an inconsistent bust size in all her art works. Personally I think giving her a bust size that meets a decent middle ground compared to her art works would be ideal.
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Post by CastleDan on Jan 7, 2016 14:49:57 GMT -6
Yeah I think the breast issue would be solved right away if they just pulled the edge of her top a bit farther up, because in all honesty as it is now is dangerously close to Dead or Alive territory. The last thing I want is for the majority of this fan base to end up becoming horn dog frat boys who only buy the game for 'teh bewbs', while completely disregarding everything else. Big breasts aren't really an issue, but its how the company decideds to treat them, in terms of clothing, that can cause issues. and again another issue brought up is the fact she has an inconsistent bust size in all her art works. Personally I think giving her a bust size that meets a decent middle ground compared to her art works would be ideal. Basically this. It does remind me of the over-sexualized look of Dead or Alive. Not the SIZE but the cloth being so low. I get they want to show the whole symbol but maybe they can work around that a bit. You still see most of it in the pic I posted and maybe if a power comes out of it, it glows through the portion thats covered too. It's just so low people, I get that it's their vision but it looks a bit much that everytime someone sees it they will make comments. Every single person i've shown the picture to is immediately drawn to the fact that her boob coverage is low. The focus should be the curse but i don't think the focus is truly on that with the design being like that. Upping it just a BIT would help tremendously. |
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Post by Cale on Jan 7, 2016 14:59:35 GMT -6
Yeah I think the breast issue would be solved right away if they just pulled the edge of her top a bit farther up, because in all honesty as it is now is dangerously close to Dead or Alive territory. The last thing I want is for the majority of this fan base to end up becoming horn dog frat boys who only buy the game for 'teh bewbs', while completely disregarding everything else. Big breasts aren't really an issue, but its how the company decideds to treat them, in terms of clothing, that can cause issues. and again another issue brought up is the fact she has an inconsistent bust size in all her art works. Personally I think giving her a bust size that meets a decent middle ground compared to her art works would be ideal. Basically this. It does remind me of the over-sexualized look of Dead or Alive. Not the SIZE but the cloth being so low. I get they want to show the whole symbol but maybe they can work around that a bit. You still see most of it in the pic I posted and maybe if a power comes out of it, it glows through the portion thats covered too. It's just so low people, I get that it's their vision but it looks a bit much that everytime someone sees it they will make comments. Every single person i've shown the picture to is immediately drawn to the fact that her boob coverage is low. The focus should be the curse but i don't think the focus is truly on that with the design being like that. Upping it just a BIT would help tremendously. Not trying to be nosey here, but maybe it's a geographical thing? I'm from Canada and have yet to hear anyone comment on her look over here. >_> I am not sure about USA, EU, or anywhere else in the world. Might have to be a regional censorship? |
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Post by Apollonian on Jan 7, 2016 15:15:54 GMT -6
Not trying to be nosey here, but maybe it's a geographical thing? I'm from Canada and have yet to hear anyone comment on her look over here. >_> I am not sure about USA, EU, or anywhere else in the world. Might have to be a regional censorship? From the US here. Sometimes I hear that us Yanks (no, we don't call ourselves that) are pro-violence and anti-sexuality but in reality we are anti-violence, anti-sexuality as well as pro-violence, pro-sexuality.  This whole conversation reminds me a bit of this quote from a show: NSFW (not really but I don't want to offend) Todd: Wow! Well, boobs sure are big here.
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Post by Ciel on Jan 7, 2016 15:17:59 GMT -6
Guys, I saw this posted on NeoGaf and I agree with the poster there that the solution is really not about the size of the breasts but that the cloth is too low. Here's the example posted, it looks much better and more appropriate on the quick photoshop to the right. There's no "solution", this isn't a problem to begin with. I don't understand how "having big boobs" is a problem, or are you saying all women who have big breasts are sick or something? Just deal with it, you may not like it, but this matter can't be considered a problem. |
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Post by Valtiel on Jan 7, 2016 15:22:00 GMT -6
in all honesty as it is now is dangerously close to Dead or Alive territory. The last thing I want is for the majority of this fan base to end up becoming horn dog frat boys who only buy the game for 'teh bewbs', while completely disregarding everything else. The vast majority of the DOA community is in it for the gameplay so I don't know what you are smoking. The fan service is just a bonus. But please keep taking shots at a fanbase you know nothing about. |
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Post by CastleDan on Jan 7, 2016 15:23:27 GMT -6
Guys, I saw this posted on NeoGaf and I agree with the poster there that the solution is really not about the size of the breasts but that the cloth is too low. Here's the example posted, it looks much better and more appropriate on the quick photoshop to the right. There's no "solution", this isn't a problem to begin with. I don't understand how "having big boobs" is a problem, or are you saying all women who have big breasts are sick or something? Just deal with it, you may not like it, but this matter can't be considered a problem. I feel like you didn't even read what you quoted of me. I didn't say the size is the problem. I never said the size is the problem. I said it looks ridiculous how low the cloth is. It doesn't seem realistic at all * and seems more sexualized because of it. I know the object is to show the curse more but it just seems a bit TOO exposed. NOTHING to do with the size, the size should stay. *Just before someone goes off on me about how it's a game it doesn't need to be realistic. you know what I mean, it's literally low enough that nipple should probably begin to show which is why some of the criticism is popping up, the design of that seems a bit odd. * |
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Post by Apollonian on Jan 7, 2016 15:25:45 GMT -6
Although I say it's a non-issue the thing that is an issue for me is the curse being noticeable. Face is too distracting a place to put it, she has it on her legs already, and the rest of her body is covered anyway. Lore wise we need a somewhat shown chest where the curse covers the heart. Beyond that I hope they don't change Miriam too much.  I can put boobs on him too if that's what you want. That's not what you want. |
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Post by Ciel on Jan 7, 2016 15:27:02 GMT -6
There's no "solution", this isn't a problem to begin with. I don't understand how "having big boobs" is a problem, or are you saying all women who have big breasts are sick or something? Just deal with it, you may not like it, but this matter can't be considered a problem. Did you read what I wrote at all? I didn't say the size is the problem. I never said the size is the problem. I said it looks ridiculous how low the cloth is. It doesn't seem realistic at all and seems more sexualized because of it. I know the object is to show the curse more but it just seems a bit TOO exposed. NOTHING to do with the size, the size should stay. The game isn't supposed to be realistic to begin with. If you're going to complain about that, then there are lot of "wrong" things with the game. And how "more sexualized" is a problem? Edit: I saw your edit now. Again, I don't see a problem. |
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Post by CastleDan on Jan 7, 2016 15:29:45 GMT -6
Did you read what I wrote at all? I didn't say the size is the problem. I never said the size is the problem. I said it looks ridiculous how low the cloth is. It doesn't seem realistic at all and seems more sexualized because of it. I know the object is to show the curse more but it just seems a bit TOO exposed. NOTHING to do with the size, the size should stay. The game isn't supposed to be realistic to begin with. If you're going to complain about that, then there are lot of "wrong" things with the game. And how "more sexualized" is a problem? Re-read my comment, I elaborated on the realism. I'm not asking for realism i'm just saying design wise it looks weird. A main character that has a more sexualized design takes away from the qualities of the character more. A great example of that is a female main character within a movie like transformers where they constantly focus on body shots, compared to a movie like Star Wars The Force Awakens where they treat the female main character with respect and focus on the character itself and not trying to make it 'sexier' or more 'revealing'. I'm not even saying that's their intent, I'm just saying that the cloth looks better slightly up. It's my opinion, just like you have your own opinion |
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Post by ghaleon on Jan 7, 2016 15:34:26 GMT -6
The last thing I want is for the majority of this fan base to end up becoming horn dog frat boys who only buy the game for 'teh bewbs', while completely disregarding everything else. Big breasts aren't really an issue, but its how the company decideds to treat them, in terms of clothing, that can cause issues. =/... do you honestly HONESTLY think that would ever happen? If people want boobs, it's very easy to get other things that would cater to those desires more very easily. Besides, I'm pretty sure you couldn't discuss it any more than it already is already because the community has too many vocal 'boob police'. Personally, my worry about the complaints isn't about iga's vision being true or not, nor is it about proportions, or anything like that. It's the message that it sends to Japanese game devs. People are willing to invest millions of dollars into these old legacy games, but heaven forbid they do the boobs wrong. They must think westerners overreact to the absolute silliest things. |
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Post by CastleDan on Jan 7, 2016 15:39:03 GMT -6
The last thing I want is for the majority of this fan base to end up becoming horn dog frat boys who only buy the game for 'teh bewbs', while completely disregarding everything else. Big breasts aren't really an issue, but its how the company decideds to treat them, in terms of clothing, that can cause issues. =/... do you honestly HONESTLY think that would ever happen? If people want boobs, it's very easy to get other things that would cater to those desires more very easily. Besides, I'm pretty sure you couldn't discuss it any more than it already is already because the community has too many vocal 'boob police'. Personally, my worry about the complaints isn't about iga's vision being true or not, nor is it about proportions, or anything like that. It's the message that it sends to Japanese game devs. People are willing to invest millions of dollars into these old legacy games, but heaven forbid they do the boobs wrong. They must think westerners overreact to the absolute silliest things. I don't think it's silly. The culture has changed and some people don't like the over-sexualization of female main characters. It's like with Hollywood they don't take risks with female leads, and whenever they do cast them they're usually dressing in uber sexy attire to be more appealing. Again not saying that's what IGA is trying to do but there's a lot of people that would LOVE for a female lead that doesn't do that. Like  Like I said. I don't think it's so much how big her breastal region is. I think people just have a problem with the almost boob out of the cloth look to it. Either way, everyone is entitled to their opinion of it. just this slight lift of the cloth and it makes it look a bit more classier  |
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Post by Cale on Jan 7, 2016 15:41:08 GMT -6
Although I say it's a non-issue the thing that is an issue for me is the curse being noticeable. Face is too distracting a place to put it, she has it on her legs already, and the rest of her body is covered anyway. Lore wise we need a somewhat shown chest where the curse covers the heart. Beyond that I hope they don't change Miriam too much. I can put boobs on him too if that's what you want. That's not what you want. Who's to say? Might be a good look for him. On a serious note though, I think we already had this conversation about face tattoos.  Hey, we got another poll to do now, face tattoo or no face tattoo. |
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Post by Ciel on Jan 7, 2016 15:44:17 GMT -6
The game isn't supposed to be realistic to begin with. If you're going to complain about that, then there are lot of "wrong" things with the game. And how "more sexualized" is a problem? Re-read my comment, I elaborated on the realism. I'm not asking for realism i'm just saying design wise it looks weird. A main character that has a more sexualized design takes away from the qualities of the character more. A great example of that is a female main character within a movie like transformers where they constantly focus on body shots, compared to a movie like Star Wars The Force Awakens where they treat the female main character with respect and focus on the character itself and not trying to make it 'sexier' or more 'revealing'. I'm not even saying that's their intent, I'm just saying that the cloth looks better slightly up. It's my opinion, just like you have your own opinion Hm I accept your argument of weirdness, though the reason of such probably is because of the angle, let's wait for more pictures to see if it will still look weird for you and whoever thinks the same way. About the sexualization, I don't see it as a bad thing. A great female character will be great regardless of sexualization, hell in this case it is a bonus, not a problem (at least for me). But, indeed, a "meh" sexualized female character is going to appear as if the only thing she has is boobs, body or whatever......... even though a bad character will be bad regardless of it, but at least with a sexualized female there's something "good" lol. |
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Post by Apollonian on Jan 7, 2016 15:44:18 GMT -6
Cale Sweet, that will kill another day. By the time we finish critiquing the character model the game will be here. (Zombiebuni made the picture btw. I never learned to photoshop. T_T)
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Post by ghaleon on Jan 7, 2016 15:45:39 GMT -6
CastleDan ( your post has too many nested quotes and stuff for me to figure out how to quote it nicely without clutter). I have no issues if people prefer the cloth raised, or the breasts reduced. It's the fact that so many of the people who feel this way act like their opinions are facts. 'This IS in poor taste", 'It is way too sexualized'... not that THEY want less something, its the darn game at fault! Juvinille pervs are the people who would disagree! Etc.
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Post by Cale on Jan 7, 2016 15:46:22 GMT -6
Cale Sweet, that will kill another day. By the time we finish critiquing the character model the game will be here. (Zombiebuni made the picture btw. I never learned to photoshop. T_T) Sooner or later we will have an eyelash length poll to pore over! |
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Post by Ciel on Jan 7, 2016 15:48:57 GMT -6
Yeah I think the breast issue would be solved right away if they just pulled the edge of her top a bit farther up, because in all honesty as it is now is dangerously close to Dead or Alive territory. The last thing I want is for the majority of this fan base to end up becoming horn dog frat boys who only buy the game for 'teh bewbs', while completely disregarding everything else. There's no way this is going to happen. It never happened, even with Dead or Alive the majority of the fanbase plays it for the gameplay, the fanservice is a bonus. If someone want boobs, there are tons of other things just for that. |
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Post by Pure Miriam on Jan 7, 2016 15:50:17 GMT -6
I need to post this.
Okey, this is outstandingly ridiculous! What an utterly stupid discussion. They MAYBE increased (i'm still not sure) her breast by about 5% and it turned on all this commotion? My god, what will happen when the first screens of gameplay shows up? I really can't believe a huge fanbase of the awesome Igavania games are really this nipticking. People are looking at something utterly unimportant to the whole game and concept and it turned into this fight? I can't believe this.
This is simply nipticking. It is exatly what happened to the shoulder cloth. It is something unimportant, a small thing that no one should care, and it turned into a huge discussion. This is a useless, stupid discussion. Her brests got bigger. Yeah. So what?
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Post by CastleDan on Jan 7, 2016 15:52:32 GMT -6
CastleDan ( your post has too many nested quotes and stuff for me to figure out how to quote it nicely without clutter). I have no issues if people prefer the cloth raised, or the breasts reduced. It's the fact that so many of the people who feel this way act like their opinions are facts. 'This IS in poor taste", 'It is way too sexualized'... not that THEY want less something, its the darn game at fault! Juvinille pervs are the people who would disagree! Etc. I don't think anyone is treating it like facts. It's just some people are annoyed by others being not crazy about the design. So I think both sides have some of that... THIS IS FACT vibes going on. I just see everyone throwing there opinions out there. To me it being that low makes it look a bit too sexualized and less about the curse. It's drawing attention to the boob and less to the curse if anything. Just look how much boob discussion is going on. That's the perfect example, and it's not just here doing it. The point is, draw A LITTLE attention away from it, not by reducing the size but increasing the cloth a bit and then the attention is brought back to the character more and what the marks you can see mean.  All just opinions, I honestly don't care either way as the character will be small in the actual gameplay. |
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