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Post by CastleDan on Jan 7, 2016 15:54:34 GMT -6
I need to post this. Okey, this is outstandingly ridiculous! What an utterly stupid discussion. They MAYBE increased (i'm still not sure) her breast by about 5% and it turned on all this commotion? My god, what will happen when the first screens of gameplay shows up? I really can't believe a huge fanbase of the awesome Igavania games are really this nipticking. People are looking at something utterly unimportant to the whole game and concept and it turned into this fight? I can't believe this. This is simply nipticking. It is exatly what happened to the shoulder cloth. It is something unimportant, a small thing that no one should care, and it turned into a huge discussion. This is a useless, stupid discussion. Her brests got bigger. Yeah. So what? It's just a discussion, it's not a big deal. Don't get so worked up over it. Sure, you might not think it's a big deal but some people might not be crazy about the design. We don't have much else to discuss regarding this game. We got a few screens, and some shaders. We discussed all there is to death already so people put focus in other areas and art design isn't off limits. You don't agree with people, that's okay but we can all discuss this in a civil nice way.
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Post by Apollonian on Jan 7, 2016 15:56:25 GMT -6
CastleDan ( your post has too many nested quotes and stuff for me to figure out how to quote it nicely without clutter). I have no issues if people prefer the cloth raised, or the breasts reduced. It's the fact that so many of the people who feel this way act like their opinions are facts. 'This IS in poor taste", 'It is way too sexualized'... not that THEY want less something, its the darn game at fault! Juvinille pervs are the people who would disagree! Etc. I don't think anyone is treating it like facts. It's just some people are annoyed by others being not crazy about the design. So I think both sides have some of that... THIS IS FACT vibes going on. I just see everyone throwing there opinions out there. To me it being that low makes it look a bit too sexualized and less about the curse. It's drawing attention to the boob and less to the curse if anything. Just look how much boob discussion is going on. That's the perfect example, and it's not just here doing it. The point is, draw A LITTLE attention away from it, not by reducing the size but increasing the cloth a bit and then the attention is brought back to the character more and what the marks you can see mean. All just opinions, I honestly don't care either way as the character will be small in the actual gameplay. I agree. For the record I like Kaine from Nier. Nuf said.
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Post by Cale on Jan 7, 2016 15:58:57 GMT -6
What we really need is to see how the Pumpkin Bloomer Development Team is doing. More funding is obviously important, but do they have enough data? Well, guess it's time for me to go buy a pair, take some pictures, send them to Iga, then get arrested minutes later. . .
On second thought that's a bad idea.
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Post by Ciel on Jan 7, 2016 16:00:01 GMT -6
What we really need is to see how the Pumpkin Bloomer Development Team is doing. More funding is obviously important, but do they have enough data? Well, guess it's time for me to go buy a pair, take some pictures, send them to Iga, then get arrested minutes later. . . On second thought that's a bad idea. As if the Great Old One would be arrested by mere mortals
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Post by XombieMike on Jan 7, 2016 16:00:17 GMT -6
... is dangerously close to Dead or Alive territory. The last thing I want is for the majority of this fan base to end up becoming horn dog frat boys who only buy the game for 'teh bewbs', while completely disregarding everything else... I don't think Ixbran was attacking an enemy tire ban base by saying that. They are just making a point without insulting anyone in specific. The vast majority of the DOA community is in it for the gameplay so I don't know what you are smoking. The fan service is just a bonus. But please keep taking shots at a fanbase you know nothing about. The I don't know what you're smoking and your comment about noting nothing about that fan base are a bit disrespectful. I see Castledan and Ceil with opposing views but they seem to work things up with respect in mind.
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Post by Valtiel on Jan 7, 2016 16:02:44 GMT -6
Implying the DOA fanbase is made up of horn dog frat boys is definitely disrespectful.
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Post by Apollonian on Jan 7, 2016 16:04:26 GMT -6
I hope I don't seem rude but I just want to say that I don't know what an "enemy tire ban base" is...but I want it.
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Post by jim on Jan 7, 2016 16:14:11 GMT -6
I don't think Ixbran was attacking an enemy tire ban base by saying that. Wait... Why are we attacking a enemy tire base? Why not just buy the tires and leave the violence out of it. And who are the "enemies" in charge of this base? Is there a chance we can just broker a peace agreement and set up trade?
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Post by Vampire on Jan 7, 2016 16:14:21 GMT -6
Secretly what people do not know is this the curse placed upon her (aka the rose stained emblem) upon her chest affects her in such manners since in the beginning of the game the Heroine...is flat and later due to the curse placed upon her chest her breasts eventually expand and enlarge cursing her with a life of bustyness and denizens of the night looking at her hungrily
In order to lift this curse and escape the fanboys,Miriam must travel to the darkest depths of the castle and defeat the castle owner before the curse forces her to become even sexier then female stars from dead or alive or the women from streetfighter...
(laughs)
In all seriousness though,I do not care if Miriam is flat or semi-busty,Both artwork is fine with me,I just don't want her design changing such as her clothes and horns etc
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Post by XombieMike on Jan 7, 2016 16:14:42 GMT -6
Implying the DOA fanbase is made up of horn dog frat boys is definitely disrespectful. You can message me if you like, but you have insulted an individual and that's clearly against the rules. I'm not handing out a warning for someone thinking 4Chan is full of perverts, NeoGAF is full of kids or Minecraft is only for morons (I don't think that about any of those examples), but I will defend the rules here which guard against personal insults. I like your posts, and would rather not see a warning on your profile.
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Post by XombieMike on Jan 7, 2016 16:16:02 GMT -6
I don't think Ixbran was attacking an enemy tire ban base by saying that. Wait... Why are we attacking a enemy tire base? Why not just buy the tires and leave the violence out of it. And who are the "enemies" in charge of this base? Is there a chance we can just broker a peace agreement and set up trade? Moderation on a phone isn't recommended. All your tire ban base are belong to us.
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Post by crocodile on Jan 7, 2016 16:17:01 GMT -6
The game isn't supposed to be realistic to begin with. If you're going to complain about that, then there are lot of "wrong" things with the game. And how "more sexualized" is a problem? Re-read my comment, I elaborated on the realism. I'm not asking for realism i'm just saying design wise it looks weird. A main character that has a more sexualized design takes away from the qualities of the character more. A great example of that is a female main character within a movie like transformers where they constantly focus on body shots, compared to a movie like Star Wars The Force Awakens where they treat the female main character with respect and focus on the character itself and not trying to make it 'sexier' or more 'revealing'. I'm not even saying that's their intent, I'm just saying that the cloth looks better slightly up. It's my opinion, just like you have your own opinion I've seen/read/watched way too many fictional women who are major badasses and/or just generally awesome/well-written characters who were also "babes" or wore revealing clothing for me to believe that sexualization (which is different than objectification BTW) is inherently disrespectful or demeaning to a character. It certainly can and has been but I feel that's a problematic assumption and in no way applies to Miriam even as she is now. She is no Megan Fox from Transformers.
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Post by Apollonian on Jan 7, 2016 16:17:49 GMT -6
Secretly what people do not know is this the curse placed upon her (aka the rose stained emblem) upon her chest affects her in such manners since in the beginning of the game the Heroine...is flat and later due to the curse placed upon her chest her breasts eventually expand and enlarge cursing her with a life of bustyness and denizens of the night looking at her hungrily In order to lift this curse and escape the fanboys,Miriam must travel to the darkest depths of the castle and defeat the castle owner before the curse forces her to become even sexier then female stars from dead or alive or the women from streetfighter... (laughs) In all seriousness though,I do not care if Miriam is flat or semi-busty,Both artwork is fine with me,I just don't want her design changing such as her clothes and horns etc Bloodstained (prequel game): Deflategate of the Night
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Post by jim on Jan 7, 2016 16:19:03 GMT -6
Moderation on a phone isn't recommended. All your tire ban base are belong to us. .... Yup... I just about fell out of my chair laughing at that last line.
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Post by Ixbran on Jan 7, 2016 16:21:22 GMT -6
Implying the DOA fanbase is made up of horn dog frat boys is definitely disrespectful. If that is what you got out of my post then that is all on you, not me. When I said it was getting close to " DoA" territory I was talking about the hilariously large proportions the female cast of the DoA games have. The latter statement, which was a completely different sentence all together, just just talking about perverted horn dogs in general.
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Post by Cale on Jan 7, 2016 16:23:05 GMT -6
Moderation on a phone isn't recommended. All your tire ban base are belong to us. For those who don't know the reference.
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Post by Goobsausage on Jan 7, 2016 16:34:14 GMT -6
I need to post this. Okey, this is outstandingly ridiculous! What an utterly stupid discussion. They MAYBE increased (i'm still not sure) her breast by about 5% and it turned on all this commotion? My god, what will happen when the first screens of gameplay shows up? I really can't believe a huge fanbase of the awesome Igavania games are really this nipticking. People are looking at something utterly unimportant to the whole game and concept and it turned into this fight? I can't believe this. This is simply nipticking. It is exatly what happened to the shoulder cloth. It is something unimportant, a small thing that no one should care, and it turned into a huge discussion. This is a useless, stupid discussion. Her brests got bigger. Yeah. So what? Personally, I think it's better to embrace the insanity in healthy doses. Miriam's breast size is a non-issue and not important to the larger picture, but it's not going to stop people from talking or speculating about it. The impression I'm getting with this whole discussion is that it's kinda like the movie "Clerks" where Dante and Randall are just passing time by talking about things like civilian casualties on the Death Star. I feel IGA and the rest of the creative team are smart enough to laugh at everyone's comments about this and go "oh, you guys!" while a sitcom laugh plays in the background. I can't wait to read what people say about Zangetsu's abs. Yeah I think the breast issue would be solved right away if they just pulled the edge of her top a bit farther up, because in all honesty as it is now is dangerously close to Dead or Alive territory. The last thing I want is for the majority of this fan base to end up becoming horn dog frat boys who only buy the game for 'teh bewbs', while completely disregarding everything else. Big breasts aren't really an issue, but its how the company decideds to treat them, in terms of clothing, that can cause issues. and again another issue brought up is the fact she has an inconsistent bust size in all her art works. Personally I think giving her a bust size that meets a decent middle ground compared to her art works would be ideal. I get what you're saying and I feel those criticisms are valid for DOAX, but I can't recall any frat boys playing Japanese games during my entire college experience. They were playing multiplayer games like Madden, Call of Duty, Mortal Kombat, and now probably stuff like Rocket League and League of Legends. Since Bloodstained has been sold/pitched/promoted as a Castlevania successor where you explore a horror-themed giant castle, I'm not really worried about it turning into a sexy game because it's not shaping up to be that type of game and it's not aimed towards that type of audience.
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Post by Thomas on Jan 7, 2016 17:00:11 GMT -6
I think topic is silly. I expect when the game is released i'll be far more concerned with where her feet are going to land after a jump, or if the tip of her sword/whip hit an enemy than whether or not her cup size is appropriate.
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Post by linkfreak404 on Jan 7, 2016 17:15:55 GMT -6
To me, it just seems like some people who are complaining about the breast size are just body shamers who are gonna complain about them no matter what Miriam does in the game. She could be killing tons of powerful demons, stopping the horrible virus that's going around etc. but none of that will matter because some people are too focused on her breast size. I've seen people say that they feel like they want to shake their heads, thinking to themselves "Oh boy, another boob character." I really hope that the designers are allowed to do whatever they want and not have to worry about some people complaining about petty stuff like breast sizes. I know we live in an age where people get offended by everything nowadays, but this is just absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. They are just breasts...
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Post by miketendo on Jan 7, 2016 17:19:49 GMT -6
Hey All, been meaning to create an account here for some time (I am a backer, after all,) but this just gives me an excuse so here I am. Man, do I have a lot to say on this topic. I'm a HUGE Castlevania fan and was delighted to help fund Igarashi's latest project, Bloodstained. However, there's a few things to keep in mind about the gaming market and the shift that has been happening as of late when it comes to sexuality, gender, and the gaming industry.
What we've been seeing is an increase in awareness to the hobby, and therefore, more people of all different shapes, sizes, races, religion and genders are checking out video games. It used to be a boys club (for the most part,) but now various surveys put the female gender closer than ever to the male-dominated market of video games. The rule of thumb was previously that most gamers are white, young, heterosexual males but that's changing.
Sadly, what we're also seeing is a call for diversity to games, one which European and North American game developers have been embracing. There's also been a huge uprising of the female and transgendered genders wanting characters that they can claim as their own and identify with. Some want to change existing established characters into something they're not (i.e. the "movement" which claims Samus Aran is transgendered. She's not, for the record.) Castlevania has, for the most part, always been developed by a Japanese subsidiary of Konami in some way, shape or form. They are a Japanese company with Japanese developers. They also tend to enjoy making more sexualized characters in Japan, something that doesn't translate well to the United States, specifically, due to Puritanical views. What we're seeing is a twisted return of the 90s censorship in video games only now, the ratings system is already established. Things quieted down quite a bit after this happened, but now instead of the conservative bible-belt brigade leading the cause, we have a more liberal tinged group; a small minority of people who want flat chested, obese women parading around in video games. In other words, they want to identify more with their avatar. Well, a few things:
1. This is fantasy. It's a video game. Characters should be able to be whatever the developers want them to be. They are the artists. For the people complaining that her breasts are too large, create your own video game with your own small breasted heroine.
2. I don't see too many men around complaining that Cosmo isn't written for them. This is a product created for fans of Igavania video games. And since Castlevania has always dabbled in the realm of a Japanese take on Horror and B-Movies, it's acceptable for a female character to have curves. Ignoring Castlevania Judgment, plenty of strong female characters have been sexy AND strong in the series.
3. The art for the concept of Miriam so far has been completely up and down regarding Miriam's breast size so until we get closer to the final game, people need to stop freaking out about whether her breasts are too big. It's pretty clear here that her dress is moved down a bit from her breasts exposing more flesh and that the size doesn't seem to generally be affected. For those who complain, take a look at past art for the character so far (and no, I don't mean fan-art.)
4. Breasts come in all shapes and sizes. As do women. By complaining about breasts being too big or too small, you're not only showing that you can't handle the female image, but you're showing others that it's okay to body shame women. Is it envy or jealousy or hatred? Whatever it is, it's not cool.
5. She's wearing an outfit that is DESIGNED to increase the visual size and shape of breasts and people are complaining about the size and shape of breasts? (This is not an invitation to complain about the outfit.)
6. Priorities, people.
I hope the devs read my post and know that the majority of their backers are people who are actually okay with Miriam's outfit and breast size and that they are supporting the game because they are excited to play another Igavania game and that the more negative attention that is drawn to the outfit the more comments they will get. Let the developers create and please stop trying to change the game's character to what you like your women to look like. I really didn't like the character design originally but I was excited because of the game concepts and the fact that this might be our last chance to play a Castlevania-style game made by many of the people that worked on some of the classics in the franchise. Please don't sour it with this back and forth nonsense about breast size.
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