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Post by LordKaiser on Dec 5, 2015 1:05:04 GMT -6
I see a Teen ESRB rating on my 3 DS Castlevania games that I have on top of my desk in a small shelve. I don't want less than this rating just to extend the audience to children.
I'm fully anti-censorchip so I don't want any restriction on his art and even less on our Kickstarter copies.
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Post by giwagiwa on Dec 5, 2015 17:00:00 GMT -6
I have no problem with nudity. Iga isn't going to go all out and grotesque. And if it isn't a shared option, then there should be a game option to filter it or swap the texture. Everyone gets their way. You know at first glance this seems like a good idea, but then I got to thinking: who would this be for? As far as the fan-base who will buy/own the game regardless (this forum), no one yet has indicated they flat out don't want nudity in the game. As far as other potential buyers of the game who might consider the maturity rating, having an option in the game to "cover up" won't lower the maturity rating of the game. Either way it's something to consider... options are good but increase development costs/time.
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Post by Zechs on Dec 5, 2015 19:00:31 GMT -6
Makes is easier for YouTube videos and such, not that I'm one for that.
Also offers an alternative to artistic touch. Whether it is necessary or not, it is an option to allow folks to choose how they experience the atmosphere.
Similar to 'turning blood off' and such. I doubt there will be anything but subtle nudity if anything so it may not be a necessary suggestion anyway. I mean I'd they choose it, they just use the crystalization to cover up anything 'suggestive' for artwork in stained glass or characters.
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Post by Goobsausage on Dec 5, 2015 19:57:39 GMT -6
Makes is easier for YouTube videos and such, not that I'm one for that. Also offers an alternative to artistic touch. Whether it is necessary or not, it is an option to allow folks to choose how they experience the atmosphere. Similar to 'turning blood off' and such. I doubt there will be anything but subtle nudity if anything so it may not be a necessary suggestion anyway. I mean I'd they choose it, they just use the crystalization to cover up anything 'suggestive' for artwork in stained glass or characters. There's also local co-op to consider. I like to play local co-op games with younger family members, but at the same time, I want to respect their parents wishes regarding what content is considered okay or not. Most of the time this means "turn the blood off", but if there's content they object to and no way to disable it, there's nothing I can really do besides tell their kids "sorry, we can't play that". I think the option to cover up suggestive nudity with crystals (or turn off blood) sounds like a good thing to have, even if most people probably wouldn't use it.
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Post by crocodile on Dec 5, 2015 20:55:54 GMT -6
I mean I'm an adult so I can't say it bothers me all that much either way but doing something like that (as if going further than IGA has gone in the past) would immediately bump the rating of the game to M and I think needlessly narrows the audience. It's not like you can't represent "sexual" themes without nudity just as you don't need to be explicit even if your product has violence in it. The PG-13 feel of the Igavanias is preferable to the "woah so edgy" R of the Lords of Shadow series and I don't think random (or even plot relevant) succubi X needs to be topless to convey sexiness. Random statues or non-graphic paintings are fine and if I recall in line with previous Igavanias. So while obviously I respect whatever artistic direction IGA were to take, I find it hard to imagine that going all the way/further than in the past with nudity (or violence) would be a benefit to the game or the audience it aims to reach.
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Post by Apollonian on Dec 5, 2015 22:31:39 GMT -6
There's also local co-op to consider. I like to play local co-op games with younger family members, but at the same time, I want to respect their parents wishes regarding what content is considered okay or not. Most of the time this means "turn the blood off", but if there's content they object to and no way to disable it, there's nothing I can really do besides tell their kids "sorry, we can't play that". I think the option to cover up suggestive nudity with crystals (or turn off blood) sounds like a good thing to have, even if most people probably wouldn't use it. As someone who plays games with their younger siblings I completely agree with this. If the nudity makes sense in context it is fine but if it is just pervservice then I can't tolerate it. Considering what they have shown us so far style wise (very little) I would not expect anything more than a statue or standard enemy type. I mean I'm an adult so I can't say it bothers me all that much either way but doing something like that (as if going further than IGA has gone in the past) would immediately bump the rating of the game to M and I think needlessly narrows the audience. It's not like you can't represent "sexual" themes without nudity just as you don't need to be explicit even if your product has violence in it. The PG-13 feel of the Igavanias is preferable to the "woah so edgy" R of the Lords of Shadow series and I don't think random (or even plot relevant) succubi X needs to be topless to convey sexiness. Random statues or non-graphic paintings are fine and if I recall in line with previous Igavanias. So while obviously I respect whatever artistic direction IGA were to take, I find it hard to imagine that going all the way/further than in the past with nudity (or violence) would be a benefit to the game or the audience it aims to reach. I don't "prefer" pg-13 or R but the M ratings lords of shadows got fit the games and were not achieved to be "edgy" (the basic premise of the game would get it an M probably) and the T rating Iga's games get fit those games and were not achieved to be viewed as "kiddy/kid-friendly" as I see so many people say.
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Post by crocodile on Dec 6, 2015 0:30:52 GMT -6
All I mean is that I personally preferred the tone of the Igavanias over what I had seen in the Lords of Shadows games. They were "mature" in the same way games like God of War are "mature" and that isn't really my jam.
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Post by Apollonian on Dec 6, 2015 1:11:17 GMT -6
The story and art were much darker in LoS which appealed to many people. Iga's games are on the opposite side of the spectrum with Classicvania in the middle imo. The fact that Iga's games are pretty pg-13 does make me wonder why some people seem to be thinking Iga has been holding back, especially with nudity. It makes me think they know something I don't know...I hope the new logo for inti creates isn't Iga in the buff.
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Post by Key on Dec 6, 2015 20:27:31 GMT -6
I personally do not mind it being done artistically, heck, in some cases, artistic nudity can be very soothing in a non-sexual way. I hope we have some beautiful images in the artbook to bring relaxing smiles.
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Post by giwagiwa on Dec 6, 2015 22:48:48 GMT -6
The fact that Iga's games are pretty pg-13 does make me wonder why some people seem to be thinking Iga has been holding back, especially with nudity. Refer to the first post in this thread. That answers your question and it is the topic of this thread.
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Post by Apollonian on Dec 6, 2015 22:59:04 GMT -6
The fact that Iga's games are pretty pg-13 does make me wonder why some people seem to be thinking Iga has been holding back, especially with nudity. Refer to the first post in this thread. That answers your question and it is the topic of this thread. My apologies but I thought it was obvious that I did not think that one story was enough of a reason to think Iga had a plethora of artistic ideas that would have nudity as a central focus hence my wonder.
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Post by giwagiwa on Dec 6, 2015 23:10:13 GMT -6
Refer to the first post in this thread. That answers your question and it is the topic of this thread. My apologies but I thought it was obvious that I did not think that one story was enough of a reason to think Iga had a plethora of artistic ideas that would have nudity as a central focus hence my wonder. I don't think anyone stated it being a central focus, only a possibility. I wouldn't presume to know what goes on in Iga's head, only that I enjoy the output of whatever crazy mystery process happens in there.
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Post by Apollonian on Dec 6, 2015 23:13:07 GMT -6
My apologies but I thought it was obvious that I did not think that one story was enough of a reason to think Iga had a plethora of artistic ideas that would have nudity as a central focus hence my wonder. I don't think anyone stated it being a central focus, only a possibility. I wouldn't presume to know what goes on in Iga's head, only that I enjoy the output of whatever crazy mystery process happens in there. I should point out that I was referencing conversations elsewhere on the forum about the overall possibility of mature content, not limited to nudity which is why my sentence ends with "especially nudity" which would have been odd to say had that been the only thing I was talking about. As for central focus perhaps "driving force" would be a better term (once again going off of things I have read/talked about here). Not your fault since you are obviously new, just thought you should know why I said that.
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Post by Silver6986 on Dec 7, 2015 6:07:14 GMT -6
What saberwolf94 said, I trust Iga to make the right call on this one. I have no qualms either way, not sure why anyone else would either.
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Post by Kaius on Dec 16, 2015 4:18:30 GMT -6
I picked the "Go ahead" option ! There is so much censorship in this world and so much people still see the human's body as a demonic or shameful thing. If it can serves the artistic vision of Igarashi-san, then just go for it !
What are breasts anyway ? A miserable pile of flesh ! *go hiding*
Even nude male titans or greek style statues would fit the Igavania atmosphere I think. There is so much, sooo much, gorgeous nude paintings, statues and... basically arts, it would be such a waste to censor this art just for a bit of hips / torso / breasts / legs. It's not like we'll see sex scenes between monsters I guess...
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Post by Scuttlest on Dec 16, 2015 19:14:42 GMT -6
I feel that my stance on nudity is irrelevant.
My belief is, seeing as IGA is the creator, he should have the freedom to create the product he has set out to make, and not have censors get in the way of what he's trying to create.
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Post by Maker on Dec 17, 2015 12:43:01 GMT -6
I take a break and come back to this again. I voted for IGA to do what he wants. Whatever comes of that is what I want to see. Politics, streamers, local kids, I don't care. Why? Because from what I've seen of most modern "parents" they'll allow their kids to do whatever violent media they want but the moment nudity is involved they get butthurt for, what to me, seems like no reason at all. Both are natural parts of existing as a human. Live with it.
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Post by Overlord on Dec 17, 2015 14:11:18 GMT -6
My only hope is that IGA does what he believes is best, rather than worrying about what other people think is "tasteful", Youtubers/streamers, reporters, etc.
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Post by zoned87 on Dec 17, 2015 16:36:00 GMT -6
I'm fine with it, it doesn't bother me. If he wants to add it that's just fine with me but if he doesn't that's okay to.
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Post by SlightlyUnusual on Dec 19, 2015 6:34:01 GMT -6
I like nudity if done right, and I think this is a game that could easily do it right. I completely agree with Saberwolf94 above that it should be the artist deciding if he wants this or that. I backed the game because I believe in this project and the people making it. I doubt every decision they'll make will be to my liking, but I am not expecting that either. I am also a supporter of being able to choose my own path and not let other people decide what is good for me or not, so what about an option setting for toggling nudity, violence and other settings?
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