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Post by giwagiwa on Nov 30, 2015 0:25:17 GMT -6
I'm sure many have heard the story of how previous Igavania games (SOTN) originally had exposed female breasts with visible nipples at some point in the creative process (Succubus being the popular example) before the idea was canned due to the perceived notion that it might hurt sales by narrowing down to a more mature audience. But seeing how the last Igavania game was released 7 years ago I'm sure a majority of the Igavania fan-base is over 18.
I'm curious as to what the general community thinks is an acceptable level of nudity in an Igavania game. There are many cultures that don't even consider the exposed female breasts as something explicitly sexual.
EDIT: actual poll added.
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Post by Pure Miriam on Nov 30, 2015 1:39:27 GMT -6
Not thinking about sales or anything, i really don't mind about nudity or even some lewd material at the game. If you are using the Demons from the Ars Goetia and demons from other cultures, and considering that they are probably going to use a fantasy-esque style of hell and such, it makes a lot of sense to have some nudity, but it must be both sides. Gender equality is a thing nowadays (and i'm totally for it) and if you have a delicious succubus, you must have a delicious inccubus. It could be fun. I even think that Miriam should have a sexier costume as a unlock feature or special equipment.
BUT, sales and publicity are a thing. I tend to disagree with you on this matter. The game MUST sell for younger audiences and people are WAY more overprotective towards this than it was before. Most anime, games and media are being tonned down to get newer and younger audiences and this is probably going to happen at Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night.
So, i have two opinions. For me, i would go all "put nudity if needed to!" but on a publicity/sales point of view, i would go into "let's put some sexy clothes and that's it".
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Post by gunlord500 on Nov 30, 2015 5:29:30 GMT -6
Interesting question, friend. I personally don't care about nudity one way or the other, but I would prefer IGA keep it tasteful. Something like the unclothed statues in the backgrounds of previous Vania games would be fine with me, but I'd rather not have, say, Miriam wandering around in the buff all the time. XD
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Post by omgadamstopit on Nov 30, 2015 5:45:25 GMT -6
I'm not against it. I'm definitely for the game having the same amount of fan-service as the previous ones if not more. I would love for Miriam to have a couple of revealing costumes, and I think nudity would fit in the line of demonology that the Igavania games tend to employ, but I would like it to stay relatively tasteful. I don't (and I think the majority agrees) want an H-game.
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Post by giwagiwa on Nov 30, 2015 10:21:42 GMT -6
BUT, sales and publicity are a thing. I tend to disagree with you on this matter. The game MUST sell for younger audiences and people are WAY more overprotective towards this than it was before. I think small groups are much more vocal about the subject than they were before. My thoughts on target audience is that Castlevania games have traditionally targeted a Teen or Mature rating. And if Bloodstained ends up getting a Mature rating there is no reason to censor some tasteful nudity. The 18-34 age bracket is still by far the largest group of gamers. This is why we see so many "mature" rated big budget titles.
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Post by CastleDan on Nov 30, 2015 11:00:36 GMT -6
As long as it fits the world. Shouldn't be overly trying to be nudity centric but it is a 1700's world game, I think this type of world, and design...with demonic beings would have it's fair share of naughtiness in terms of monsters/paintings/statues.
Doesn't mean it should be in the vein of GOD OF WAR if you know what I mean.
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Post by giwagiwa on Nov 30, 2015 11:07:37 GMT -6
I reworded the poll to clarify a few points people brought up. This means the 3 people who have voted need to recast their votes. Sorry! I won't do it again.
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Post by ghaleon on Nov 30, 2015 11:19:16 GMT -6
I too don't care really...Kinda feels wrong to respond so indifferently, why respond at all? Because I care more about the possibility.. I don't want people to feel shamed or whatever for their opinions, which I think would happen if there ever was something more than nude statues or whatever in game.
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Post by giwagiwa on Nov 30, 2015 11:27:46 GMT -6
I too don't care really...Kinda feels wrong to respond so indifferently, why respond at all? Because I care more about the possibility.. I don't want people to feel shamed or whatever for their opinions, which I think would happen if there ever was something more than nude statues or whatever in game. Sorry I didn't mean to make it sound like that, it was a Futurama reference. I couldn't help it. As far as vote shaming goes, I don't think anyone here would do that! Votes are anonymous anyhow. There is nothing wrong with wanting or not wanting nudity in a game, and don't listen to anyone who attacks you personally for your opinion.
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Post by Astaroth on Nov 30, 2015 12:28:07 GMT -6
I never have a problem with nudity in context, if its set in a brothel i expect nudity of some kind, if its set in a convent i dont expect nudity outside of changing or showers, i dont think miriam will run around naked (there may be joke/fanservice outfits like bikini or bunny suit or maid but thats expected of fanservice, i am hoping for a swimsuit for gebel that shows off the extent of his curse or an indiana jones ripped shirt look for johannes), i doubt well get satans swinging snake or tentacle crotch like dantes inferno (which actually make sense for that game considering its supposed to shock you), but i think therell be enough overt and implied 'sexy', i fully expect classical statues, macabre artwork, and multiple enemies that either are partially clothed/nude due to not having the same body issues like humans or who use nudity/sexy as weapons (something i would like to see though is succubi that change look/genders to appeal to who theyre up against, much like aos/dos where they look like mina or yoko when you first see them, maybe have the early ones take on a more generic sexy look like a busty temptress or fabio wannabe, but as they get more powerful they take on forms that play on the characters regrets and desires, whether it be someone from the characters past or someone theyre searching for to get them to drop their guard)
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Post by ghaleon on Nov 30, 2015 14:28:01 GMT -6
I too don't care really...Kinda feels wrong to respond so indifferently, why respond at all? Because I care more about the possibility.. I don't want people to feel shamed or whatever for their opinions, which I think would happen if there ever was something more than nude statues or whatever in game. Sorry I didn't mean to make it sound like that, it was a Futurama reference. I couldn't help it. As far as vote shaming goes, I don't think anyone here would do that! Votes are anonymous anyhow. There is nothing wrong with wanting or not wanting nudity in a game, and don't listen to anyone who attacks you personally for your opinion. Oh I wasn't talking about you specifically about how something sounds. I dont' even know what you changed, I noticed nothing wrong! Also I am not assuming anyone HERE will shame someone per say.. just like.. lets say if there is a little bit more 'sexy' in the game than just an odd nude statue here and there. I'm SURE there will be some media outlets and bloggers who will attempt to stir some kind of uproar over it. I mean just look at that erotic violence pachinko machine.. Don't like it? Ok sure, but HOW does that affect the actual games? It doesn't... at all... yet people went on about how the games are doomed because of some completely unrelated spinoff thing.
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Post by Goobsausage on Nov 30, 2015 16:02:46 GMT -6
Due to how little we know about Bloodstained at this point, my stance is a mix between "depends on how it's done" and "does IGA actually want to include it?".
If the nudity or sexual elements feel like it's appropriate with Bloodstained's story, context, themes, and doesn't try too hard to be fanservice-y just for the audience, it shouldn't be an issue. I'm thinking along the lines of background statues/paintings, succubi being succubi, nudity as a symbolism for purity or rebirth, showing Miriam or Gebel's bodies in regards to the crystallization curse representing loss of humanity, or character development (e.g. the main cast of characters discover a nude painting or statue of Miriam in Gebel's castle. How would they react? Would Miriam draw a mustache on it, destroy it, ignore it, or say "is this how Gebel sees me?").
I also understand wanting to have fun, goofy moments or costumes that also happen to be sexy, and I'd be okay with those as long as it doesn't become the focus, selling point, or end up being too different from the Kickstarter campaign's original vision/pitch.
At the same time, whether or not nudity is featured should be IGA's choice since it's his game and he knows what he wants. It's possible that the game could end up being rated M, he includes everything he wants, and there's no nudity simply because IGA doesn't feel like using it.
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Post by allooutrick on Nov 30, 2015 16:30:02 GMT -6
I think they should do what happens to fit with the game. If a creature they're pulling inspiration from to make an enemy is partially nude then make the enemy partially nude too. Same with the portraits, statues etc if nudity in art fits with the point in history this game takes place in.
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Post by Astaroth on Nov 30, 2015 16:52:39 GMT -6
Its not an unrelated spinoff thing though, its become the main/only castlevania/silent hill game in development, the company isnt even trying to deny it, and its a soulless cash grab at that (ffs, its a slot machine that plays fmv clips)
id love to have the character models in an actual game, the animations a bit wierd and they could use less plasticy textures, but the physics, modelling and bumpmapping are pretty damn good
the whole 'erotic violence' part sounds more like some suit whos never played video games picking buzzwords out of a hat cause they think thatll sell (hmmm, intercoursing murder, tits and whips, sexy homicide, synergistic mailing solutions...)
Lol at drawing the moustache on the statue, gebel walks by it later and the enemies have joined in on the fun and the whole gallery looks like a looney tunes cartoon
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Post by Apollonian on Nov 30, 2015 17:14:47 GMT -6
Hopefully I don't offend anyone by saying this but I have seen this brought up numerous times on the forum and I am just surprised by how this seems to be a major issue for a lot of people considering how it never seemed to be even a remote focus of previous games. Of all the artistic decisions to be made for the game this just seems so minute I never really gave it any thought.
As for my opinion I agree with those that say it has to fit the game if there is going to be nudity. I doubt there will be anything (much) judging from past games and hopefully they keep the fan-service to a minimum since it would be really out of place. If it is really a big deal to some people they can always mod it in, I would just rather the dev team not waste time on something as frivolous and potentially controversial as that. Just my opinion.
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Post by giwagiwa on Nov 30, 2015 17:23:37 GMT -6
Hopefully I don't offend anyone by saying this but I have seen this brought up numerous times on the forum I did a search before posting this thread and I couldn't find a thread specifically about this subject.
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Post by giwagiwa on Nov 30, 2015 17:25:24 GMT -6
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Post by Goobsausage on Nov 30, 2015 17:30:46 GMT -6
Hopefully I don't offend anyone by saying this but I have seen this brought up numerous times on the forum I did a search before posting this thread and I couldn't find a thread specifically about this subject. There was a some discussion about it in other threads. The only one that sticks out to me was this one about the ESRB rating. It's mostly about violence, but there was a little bit of talk about nudity. bloodstainedfanforums.com/thread/623/bloodstained-rating
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Post by giwagiwa on Nov 30, 2015 17:39:47 GMT -6
I did a search before posting this thread and I couldn't find a thread specifically about this subject. There was a some discussion about it in other threads. The only one that sticks out to me was this one about the ESRB rating. It's mostly about violence, but there was a little bit of talk about nudity. bloodstainedfanforums.com/thread/623/bloodstained-ratingI see, that thread is about a very broad range of subjects, including nudity. I would like to submit this thread to Iga & team so they know what the community thinks about this specific topic.
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Post by XombieMike on Nov 30, 2015 17:40:09 GMT -6
Hopefully I don't offend anyone by saying this but I have seen this brought up numerous times on the forum I did a search before posting this thread and I couldn't find a thread specifically about this subject. Thank you for using the search function first. I don't think it's been so directly addressed in a title subject or a poll, so this thread is just fine. Why post it in the game suggestions section though? It's a question, not a suggestion. It belongs in the game discussion board.
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