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Post by Kim Lambert on Oct 5, 2017 10:57:00 GMT -6
How about we start a Kickstarter to hire Ayami Kojima as the main artist for Bloodstained?
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Post by CastleDan on Oct 5, 2017 13:30:24 GMT -6
How about we start a Kickstarter to hire Ayami Kojima as the main artist for Bloodstained?I think Mana is a perfect substitute. She has a similar feel with her art but the technique and style still feels unique. It's perfect for Bloodstained in the sense that it....reminds you of Ayami while being something new for Bloodstained. Plus if they didn't get Ayami Kojima at the beginning of all this I imagine there's a reason. She's probably busy elsewhere nowadays.
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Post by Angel-Corlux on Oct 5, 2017 16:05:50 GMT -6
I think a lot of people got very confused like myself because for example in Facebook, some pages says Mana´s art is going to replace Natsume-san / DICO art, others says is just for marketing, others even says that the Mana´s art piece is already chosen as the official cover art of the game, so people come here and vote without even knowing what it´s really going on and i find that a bit unfair for all of us because we were given different information, i also read that the OP says that DICO did all what we are seeing lately, like the characters and monsters, but then the official staff says that all of that were done years ago when the KickStarter began, so... i don´t get it, are a lot of contradictions, if that´s true why even the official BloodStained page in Facebook and the official Youtube channel says before that all were new characters and designs, why if they "did" that artwork years ago they never show it until now? the information is just very different. Hi there@valtiel86 I'm sorry if there's some confusion, but remember, this poll was started by the community and it was born out of excitement and passion, so unfortunately I couldn't really curate the messaging, I found out about it after it was already blowing up. To answer some of your questions, I can confirm that if Mana becomes more involved in the art of the game, it would purely be for marketing art at this point. Which is something that I'm going to need soon anyway. Because right now I don't have anyone I can go to for that. As for the art that Dico has done, it has all been internal concept art done for the development needs of the game. Although the fans have seen some of this art, none of it is "marketing assets". You may see the concept art, but I'm not going to use it for a Bloodstained website, or the box art, or any other mass consumer market like online ads etc. That's what I meant when I said that all the art out there has been done by Inticreates a long time ago at the start of the campaign. Speaking of, just in case it wasnt clear, since Inticreates is no longer on Bloodstained, no one should worry about "betraying" or "changing" from the old artist to a new one, because no Inticreates = no old artist, the choice here is "do you want Mana doing marketing art or do you want someone else that is not the previous artist and is not Mana".
And to anyone who thinks we should get the old artist, let me just say that there is no way I would approve that, as having Inticreates on the project again, in any capacity, would create a branding and marketing nightmare for me, where I would have to come up with a way to combat the inevitable confusion, misunderstandings, and outright lies that would be generated about the game as a result. (spoiler alert: I would never be able to fully undo the damage done. Can you imagine the click bait articles? "Embattled Bloodstained developer changes dev team...AGAIN" etc etc bla bla bla )
I hope that clears things up a bit, and thank you as always for being such a passionate fan!
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Post by CastleDan on Oct 5, 2017 16:24:23 GMT -6
I think a lot of people got very confused like myself because for example in Facebook, some pages says Mana´s art is going to replace Natsume-san / DICO art, others says is just for marketing, others even says that the Mana´s art piece is already chosen as the official cover art of the game, so people come here and vote without even knowing what it´s really going on and i find that a bit unfair for all of us because we were given different information, i also read that the OP says that DICO did all what we are seeing lately, like the characters and monsters, but then the official staff says that all of that were done years ago when the KickStarter began, so... i don´t get it, are a lot of contradictions, if that´s true why even the official BloodStained page in Facebook and the official Youtube channel says before that all were new characters and designs, why if they "did" that artwork years ago they never show it until now? the information is just very different. Hi there@valtiel86 I'm sorry if there's some confusion, but remember, this poll was started by the community and it was born out of excitement and passion, so unfortunately I couldn't really curate the messaging, I found out about it after it was already blowing up. To answer some of your questions, I can confirm that if Mana becomes more involved in the art of the game, it would purely be for marketing art at this point. Which is something that I'm going to need soon anyway. Because right now I don't have anyone I can go to for that. As for the art that Dico has done, it has all been internal concept art done for the development needs of the game. Although the fans have seen some of this art, none of it is "marketing assets". You may see the concept art, but I'm not going to use it for a Bloodstained website, or the box art, or any other mass consumer market like online ads etc. That's what I meant when I said that all the art out there has been done by Inticreates a long time ago at the start of the campaign. Speaking of, just in case it wasnt clear, since Inticreates is no longer on Bloodstained, no one should worry about "betraying" or "changing" from the old artist to a new one, because no Inticreates = no old artist, the choice here is "do you want Mana doing marketing art or do you want someone else that is not the previous artist and is not Mana".
And to anyone who thinks we should get the old artist, let me just say that there is no way I would approve that, as having Inticreates on the project again, in any capacity, would create a branding and marketing nightmare for me, where I would have to come up with a way to combat the inevitable confusion, misunderstandings, and outright lies that would be generated about the game as a result. (spoiler alert: I would never be able to fully undo the damage done. Can you imagine the click bait articles? "Embattled Bloodstained developer changes dev team...AGAIN" etc etc bla bla bla )
I hope that clears things up a bit, and thank you as always for being such a passionate fan!
Well the over 500 votes saying they'd love Mana more involved should give you a clear feeling on what she could contribute That is definitely a great direction to take and it might be marketing for now but I know personally I'd LOVE for her to be involved in the actual art direction of the game. ( that's just my feeling but I'd wager 500 other people would feel the same as well )
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Post by Enkeria on Oct 5, 2017 17:35:43 GMT -6
How about we start a Kickstarter to hire Ayami Kojima as the main artist for Bloodstained? She didn't have the time to fully commit to such endeavor. This is why she makes 1 exclusive piece for us, which will be revealed at a later date. We know it will decorate the slipcase from tier $60 and beyond.
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Post by Angel-Corlux on Oct 5, 2017 18:12:54 GMT -6
How about we start a Kickstarter to hire Ayami Kojima as the main artist for Bloodstained? Hey Kim Lambert I feel where you're coming from, but the problem or obstacle wasn't money but scheduling and her availability. Also, at this late stage it would be problematic probably when it came to fan expectations as well, as many would undoubtedly misunderstand and believe she would be doing more than marketing art, which isn't the case here.
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Post by ValtielEX on Oct 5, 2017 19:31:30 GMT -6
I think a lot of people got very confused like myself because for example in Facebook, some pages says Mana´s art is going to replace Natsume-san / DICO art, others says is just for marketing, others even says that the Mana´s art piece is already chosen as the official cover art of the game, so people come here and vote without even knowing what it´s really going on and i find that a bit unfair for all of us because we were given different information, i also read that the OP says that DICO did all what we are seeing lately, like the characters and monsters, but then the official staff says that all of that were done years ago when the KickStarter began, so... i don´t get it, are a lot of contradictions, if that´s true why even the official BloodStained page in Facebook and the official Youtube channel says before that all were new characters and designs, why if they "did" that artwork years ago they never show it until now? the information is just very different. Hi there@valtiel86 I'm sorry if there's some confusion, but remember, this poll was started by the community and it was born out of excitement and passion, so unfortunately I couldn't really curate the messaging, I found out about it after it was already blowing up. To answer some of your questions, I can confirm that if Mana becomes more involved in the art of the game, it would purely be for marketing art at this point. Which is something that I'm going to need soon anyway. Because right now I don't have anyone I can go to for that. As for the art that Dico has done, it has all been internal concept art done for the development needs of the game. Although the fans have seen some of this art, none of it is "marketing assets". You may see the concept art, but I'm not going to use it for a Bloodstained website, or the box art, or any other mass consumer market like online ads etc. That's what I meant when I said that all the art out there has been done by Inticreates a long time ago at the start of the campaign. Speaking of, just in case it wasnt clear, since Inticreates is no longer on Bloodstained, no one should worry about "betraying" or "changing" from the old artist to a new one, because no Inticreates = no old artist, the choice here is "do you want Mana doing marketing art or do you want someone else that is not the previous artist and is not Mana".
And to anyone who thinks we should get the old artist, let me just say that there is no way I would approve that, as having Inticreates on the project again, in any capacity, would create a branding and marketing nightmare for me, where I would have to come up with a way to combat the inevitable confusion, misunderstandings, and outright lies that would be generated about the game as a result. (spoiler alert: I would never be able to fully undo the damage done. Can you imagine the click bait articles? "Embattled Bloodstained developer changes dev team...AGAIN" etc etc bla bla bla )
I hope that clears things up a bit, and thank you as always for being such a passionate fan!
Thanks for clarify it, the problem was that the OP post were a bit confused, and since it was all around Facebook it generates more confusion, not only me but a lot of people thought the same, like that the original art in the game will be replaced by mana´s new art, but if is just for marketing purposes i´m ok with that as long as they don´t change the whole art of the game who we already have.
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Post by XombieMike on Oct 5, 2017 20:04:29 GMT -6
Army of the Night! You were asked to come together and voice your suggestions and I'm excited to say you certainly have done so effectively. It is time to present our unified request to ArtPlay and 505 Games. We have 505 "yes" votes to encourage IGA to use Mana Ikeda's artistic potential to it's fullest extent. This poll was initiated when we discovered Mana's poster art. However, after the poll had begun to pick up speed Angel-Corlux of 505 Games answered our questions about IntiCreates no longer being involved in Bloodstained. It became clear Nastsume-san would no longer be able to produce promotional art for the game. It also became clear that DICO is only currently producing assets to be used in game design, and not for the expressed purpose of promotional material. This means our request for more art from Mana is even more critical to the long term success of Bloodstained. Not just for when this game is marketed to the public, but also for any possible future titles as well. Never before have we had more votes in a single poll than this one. In only 3 days we gathered together and broke records. The only other poll that came close had 141 voters and was active for 5 whole months! Since this poll began we have 149 new members. Welcome to all of you, and thank you so much! We have also seen a resurgence of returning members which include many old friends all of whom are great to see again. There was potential for many more votes. The most staggering number is that of our page views. Since this poll began we have had 112,931 page views! That is simply amazing. Consider we only had 519 total votes. If we had so many views, why don't they vote? Well, to vote you must register, and some people just didn't want to. Moving people from one social platform to another is almost impossible on the internet. Imagine how many people out there saw us linking the poll on social media and didn't visit this site. They may not have been involved, but they saw us being passionate bout this game that is important to us. I believe that is a testament to how special our game is. I know I asked for 1000+ votes, but I knew we could only reach that if people were more willing to register on this forum that ArtPlay pays for. Well, aim for the stars an hit the moon, we certainly have hit the moon on this. 505 is a special number to us now, and I believe it will help us get our point across. So let it be officially requested right now! Mana and Angel-Corlux we request consideration for Mana to be involved in future promotional art assets for Bloodstained and any potential future titles related to Bloodstained. We aren't sure about the details of why IGA hasn't already done so, but we wish to make this clear: If it is about budget, we request 505 Games provide IGA what he needs to make this an easy decision. We trust his wisdom, and we trust you will understand the weight of our request. Angel-Corlux just said in a recent reply in this thread: "I can confirm that if Mana becomes more involved in the art of the game, it would purely be for marketing art at this point. Which is something that I'm going to need soon anyway. Because right now I don't have anyone I can go to for that." If promotional art is a need for 505 Games as stated, the correct path here is obvious. We have come together and put numbers behind our voices. Please forward these results to those who need to see it, and please keep us informed of any progress. Confirmation that you have begun those communications will also be appreciated. Thank you very much for your consideration! Attachments:
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Post by LeoLeWolferoux on Oct 5, 2017 20:12:41 GMT -6
Mana...never ever forget that we as the Bloodstained forum appreciate all that you do. This art that you created just further showcases your love and dedication for the project, and we couldn't thank you more. It is so refreshing to be able to hear your insights, and have that integral feel that comes with being a part of something together. So thank you...! Thank you for everything you do...! <3
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Post by ReySol on Oct 6, 2017 1:33:34 GMT -6
I agree that these votes should be enough to show our message and love for Mana's art. Most of the active forum members have voted and as Mike said this was the fastest and biggest poll here. I am very excited to see more of artwork made by Mana. I like it more than the initial artwork made for the Kickstarter campaign. I like the more gothic vibe and inspiration from Ayami Kojima, it really suits Bloodstained well. If Mana does not make more artwork for the game, it seems like a waste of an amazing talent. I hope for the best, and the best is yet to come
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Post by Enkeria on Oct 6, 2017 4:12:12 GMT -6
- Is the number 505 somewhere in the game confirmed yet?
- So when do Mana start?
- That official request by XombieMike almost generated a tear in my eye, almost!
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Post by neff on Oct 6, 2017 5:15:03 GMT -6
This is so heartwarming to see! Thanks for all you do, Mana !
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Post by Silver6986 on Oct 6, 2017 5:18:05 GMT -6
Well I definitely voted yes!
Easiest vote I've made in a while!
That art is so good I want the first one on canvas in my man cave :-)
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Post by LeoLeWolferoux on Oct 6, 2017 7:21:25 GMT -6
How about we start a Kickstarter to hire Ayami Kojima as the main artist for Bloodstained?I think Mana is a perfect substitute. I think Mana is a better substitute. Whoops did that come out of my mouth? There I go being negative again.
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Post by CastleDan on Oct 6, 2017 8:18:05 GMT -6
I think Mana is a perfect substitute. I think Mana is a better substitute. Whoops did that come out of my mouth? There I go being negative again. I'd think i'd be happy with either Mana or Kojima and that's saying something. REALLY excited for Mana doing box art ( which isn't confirmed but.......the possibility is there )
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Post by Enkeria on Oct 6, 2017 8:43:35 GMT -6
I think Mana is a better substitute. Whoops did that come out of my mouth? There I go being negative again. I'd think i'd be happy with either Mana or Kojima and that's saying something. REALLY excited for Mana doing box art ( which isn't confirmed but.......the possibility is there ) Maybe let the backers vote on what should be the official box art? So it be two different artists, or just Mana
Too much work perhaps. Getting the slipcase, so in my opinion the boxart will be double artwork for me anyways.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Oct 6, 2017 10:07:59 GMT -6
It's actually the sun.
Also, totally cool to keep voting guys!
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Post by thew4lker on Oct 7, 2017 7:08:05 GMT -6
I have voted to keep Natsume-san's art style as an identity aspect of Bloodstained, and the reason is a rather personal one: the expressions he achieves for Myriam heavily reminds me of Shanoa, which is something i wouldn't like in any other way.
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Post by Enkeria on Oct 7, 2017 12:27:36 GMT -6
I have voted to keep Natsume-san's art style as an identity aspect of Bloodstained, and the reason is a rather personal one: the expressions he achieves for Myriam heavily reminds me of Shanoa, which is something i wouldn't like in any other way. Yeah, the reference is there. Also mentioned in our trivia: bloodstainedfanforums.com/thread/2494/bloodstained-trivia
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