Bloodstained News: 37 - Miriam and IGA - in Motion

JoJo This is the distinction, everything would be fine here. Just an animation string that loops, 3 attacks with a recovery...like Zero in Megan Man X4. That would be fine, I think. The only thing I would be worried about like I had mentioned is that they'd spend more time on animating a fewer number of weapons, though entire classes/types of weapons could share animations...

Even that seems kind of not-Castlevania and a possible homogenization...but once in a while would be okay, I think? Would have to balance it against non-multi hit weapons like two handed swords, which often struggle to be relevant as it is. Faster chained animations for short range weapons would be good incentive to use them, like how quickly the combat knife could do damage in SotN.

Here are a couple examples of weapons from Symphony of the Night with "combo" abilities.




Keep in mind that most of these use Street Fighter type inputs for their special attacks, so it's not a combo like you see in most action games.

I wonder, given the period if there are going to be guns in the game.

similar to this but seperated into 2 button presses? i wanna say there was another weapon in one of the games that used the same animation progression but you only saw the second strike if you pressed the button fast enough

i loved the special attacks sotn had, i think it suffered mainly because the magic system also used the same combo system and the inputs werent varied enough and sometimes used up so youd end up accidentally throwing a subweapon or firing off the wrong spell, now that magic has been moved to its own system (whether it gets its own button or is up attack) i think that having qcb/qcf/dhcf/dhcb/bf inputs like scars posted above or weapon/magic synergies like shield rod+shield (say what you will about brokenness, i thought it was a neat idea) or dual heaven swords wouldnt be a hinderance to the overall game

To be clear in case I wasn't before, I'm okay with some degree of input commands. Something like Back -> Forward -> Punch = fireball, or something, I'm cool with that.

Fighting game terminology, once you start getting to 236P or 41236K then I start to be wary, and then once you start making it so you can only do moves out of certain other moves and your timing has to be exact, then I just don't want that in something that isn't a fighting game.

I made a poll regarding this guys, so we don't take up too much of the update thread.

Yeah, I agree with Dan though, having things mapped to one button/direction as with Harmony of Despair just seemed really lame in comparison. I'm casting a spell by doing that motion!

I just want to say that I really REALLY like what Miriam is becoming!!!

To me, her movement speed is perfectly fine. Though I agree with some here that her kick needs more work. One thing I think it needs is that snap, like a whip, so-to-speak. Other than all that, great update!!!

I said:''It's too early to judge the game before the final product ''
Just because I don't want to see this game as a clone of "Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles" on PSP
the original game "Castlevania: Rondo of Blood" looks better for me.
And thanks to reminding me about the 2.5D design idea.
But I have to admit it !!!
the current 2.5D design is still magnificent too 

Having attack combos like Zero's combos from the Megaman X and Megaman Zero games is a great idea. Simply pressing the Attack Button two or three times in a row gives you a nice multi-slash animation. That wouldn't feel out of place at all in an Igavania.

With that said there are some things to consider. The most important aspect would be maintaining your position while attacking. In a platform game positioning is crucial, and an attack that moves your character forward immediately becomes a gamble. You dont want to fall off a platform because the character steps forward during an attack.

The above is sort of a general rule in 2D platformer design theory, but it certainly can be broken. If you have a sword that deals massive damage but moves the character forward a considerable amount when attacking then that creates a risk vs reward meta game. Things like this, when designed well, add strategic depth and variety to a game.

Beyond the issue of positioning, combo attacks likely shouldn't be a universal thing. Some swords have a two hit combo, some have a three hit combo, and some are only a single slash. With swords that do have combos, attack speed and damage must be considered carefully. A sword might have a fast triple slash combo, but each individual hit deals only a small amount of damage.

These are things that everyone here probably knows all too well so apologies for the rambling. It's just kinda fun and interesting to think about how new mechanics could work in an Igavania game. haha