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Post by kamuiarikado on Mar 12, 2019 16:53:35 GMT -6
Speaking of 's new look, I wonder if the form she takes during her desperation move [from CotM] will show up. Makes me think there just might be a 2nd fight. I could be wrong. I hope Bloodstained bosses have desperation moves like in CotM.
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Post by kamuiarikado on Mar 12, 2019 17:18:29 GMT -6
It's too bad that middleware doesn't come from this imaginary land where bandwidth costs are zero, presentations are done by unpaid interns, and servers run themselves.
Congrats on getting picked.
If the angry words of one ticked-off Linux backer are enough to keep you off the board, I think maybe you're more disillusioned with the game than you realize, and if "how fast many forgot all that happened all due to a damned trailer" makes you mad, we're more alike than you realize. Fine, though, I'll shut up so you can all go on forgetting about all that publisher nonsense and go back to discussing the totally relevant topic of which version of Spanish the game supports. For pete's sakes, stop it! I was tired of your whining days ago and now that finally your biggest reason to complain has been debunked you keep moving the goalposts so you can keep trying to rip them a new one because nothing will ever satisfy you. And no the cost of putting up a trailer made of edited footage of gameplay is nt even close to the same it'd take to produce two ports in time, manpower, and budget. You have every right to be dissapointed at the Linux cancellation but they way you've chosen to do this is all wrong. Christ! There's no need to going full Nuclear, just stop worrying about imaginary problems and have fun in the forums. I read all the messages and it's pretty understandable his situation and attitude, but insulting him doesn't do any good.
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Post by Galamoth on Mar 12, 2019 17:23:34 GMT -6
Pure Miriam Also considering the recently-revealed ability to create new Shard powers through alchemy (and sacrificing an item), I'd also be curious if we might gain another new Shard using Bloodless' Shard in the mix. One power may be what you describe (Blood Rain or the Umbrella attack), and the other; the crafted shard could be the undulating bloody orb she launches, or creating a wall of blood-spikes that speed along the floor ( both from CotM).
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Post by Pure Miriam on Mar 12, 2019 18:08:25 GMT -6
Galamoth those are good ideas, i forgot about shard crafting. By the way, talking about crafting... We could had some way to create Bloodless Umbrella as a weapon...Imagine that. Castlevania had many legendary weapons. Some being the most powerful, others just iconic. Vampire Killer, Alucard Sword, Alucard Spear, Stellar Sword (Maxim Kischne's Sword), Claim Solais... Bloodstained could have " Bloodless Umbrella". That would be cool (what type of weapon that would be? "Great Sword"? "Mace"?)
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Post by gunlord500 on Mar 12, 2019 18:13:45 GMT -6
kamuiarikado is exactly right, I can understand passions being high right now, but if someone is driving you to the point where you really have to lay into them, it's best not to--let them have their say, don't engage if you don't feel you can do so without anger. If they're being abusive than notify us, but Browren has cooled down on the invective after I asked him to, so I'm inclined to reciprocate his good turn. In any case, it is interesting to think about how boss souls will work in terms of crafting and upgrading. Maybe it'll be like Dawn of Sorrow, where multiple playthroughs were necessary to get everything, i.e you needed two boss souls for both the weapon and the ability
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Post by Pure Miriam on Mar 12, 2019 18:18:12 GMT -6
gunlord500 since you don't lose the Shard when crafting, that will not be a problem, i think. Now, Galamoth got me thinking about Bloodstained "iconic" weapons. We know a Katana will be the game's most powerful weapon, but Igavanias had many others, even if they weren't all that powerful. Weapons that became legendary among fans. Bloodstained has a lot of potential for that, like "The Sword of Light" and the "Green Fast Sword" we can see on the trailers. Bloodless Umbrella could be a weapon to be obtained somehow, like Zangetsu Katana (whose name i forgot), Alfred's staff (from Curse of the Moon) and so on.
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Post by Nezuto on Mar 12, 2019 18:36:45 GMT -6
Miriam Bloodless outfit would be a nice touch, if we can get the Umbrella as a weapon or shard.
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Post by gunlord500 on Mar 12, 2019 18:42:49 GMT -6
gunlord500 since you don't lose the Shard when crafting, that will not be a problem, i think. Oh yeah, I forgot about that update. Yeah, you're right. That saves us a lot of grinding, in that case. If I had to bet, I'd wager a Parasol weapon would be either a Katana or a Sword. I have a feeling itd be a Katana...:3
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Post by Galamoth on Mar 12, 2019 19:37:11 GMT -6
gunlord500 since you don't lose the Shard when crafting, that will not be a problem, i think. Oh yeah, I forgot about that update. Yeah, you're right. That saves us a lot of grinding, in that case. If I had to bet, I'd wager a Parasol weapon would be either a Katana or a Sword. I have a feeling itd be a Katana...:3 Yeah, especially when considering the beginning of this video (I think a crafted weapon based on Bloodless' would be treated as a "katana"):
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Post by browren on Mar 12, 2019 21:08:39 GMT -6
browren i'm not going to argue with you. You have your reasons to be upset, you presented them. I'm moving from that. No problem here, I don't want to have to argue with anyone other than 505 Games Corporation anyway, and my issue with them is against the company and not the person running the Question account. Aztec , Do you work for 505? Did you lose your backer rewards because of them? No? Then kindly avail yourself of the board's block button, it's right up there under the little gear icon.
Nothing has been "debunked." 505 isn't a truthful company. Nintendo Direct isn't handling 200K stream clients served from someone's laptop off free Starbucks wifi. Streaming costs money. Presentation graphics do not draw themselves. Professional voice-overs don't magically appear just because someone recorded a trailer. Saying Nintendo paid nothing is obviously untrue. 505 has to at least have a publishing license with Nintendo to release games, seeing how Bloodstained will be their 4th or 5th Switch title. Some deal exists between them and that exposure was part of it.
And selling my copy of the game? I considered it, but nah. I won't get a penny more than the cheapest version, which is less than I backed at, and If I do that I won't have any way to figure out what 505 did wrong with their "middleware" problem.
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Post by Aztec on Mar 12, 2019 23:05:36 GMT -6
Aztec , Do you work for 505? Did you lose your backer rewards because of them? No? Then kindly avail yourself of the board's block button, it's right up there under the little gear icon.
Nothing has been "debunked." 505 isn't a truthful company. Nintendo Direct isn't handling 200K stream clients served from someone's laptop off free Starbucks wifi. Streaming costs money. Presentation graphics do not draw themselves. Professional voice-overs don't magically appear just because someone recorded a trailer. Saying Nintendo paid nothing is obviously untrue. 505 has to at least have a publishing license with Nintendo to release games, seeing how Bloodstained will be their 4th or 5th Switch title. Some deal exists between them and that exposure was part of it.
And selling my copy of the game? I considered it, but nah. I won't get a penny more than the cheapest version, which is less than I backed at, and If I do that I won't have any way to figure out what 505 did wrong with their "middleware" problem.
You're more delusional tha I thought if you think Nintendo literaly pays to host the 500k (not 200k) that saw the Direct live. Thats the beauty of Youtube, you can host a video of your cat right now for free and with some luck it can reach millions of people to no cost to you. Now, of fucking course Nintendo pays to produce their Directs but they're business model is NOT to make that money back from their third parties! They make it back from the sales of all the new shit they tell us about in these Directs we all see. That's how Nintendo makes money, selling you Switch games (first and third party) and services like Nintendo Online. Not by charging third party developers, many times tiny third party developers like ArtPlay, the guys from Hollow Knight or Undertale, to appear on their Directs. Like I said, nothing will satisfy you. They replied to you, you didnt like the response and continue to spew baseless acusations about them really paying Nintendo for the exposure and move the goalposts farther to keep arguing. You either bring the recepits and prove 505 is lying or shut up about this. Continue making a fuss about your lost Linux version for all I care, but to keep whining about anything related to the Direct, your conspiracy theory that the Direct was the reason you're being denied your precious Linux version, or the fact that "waaaaaah 505 showed the new trailer to millions including us, instead of just us first" is pure concentrated bullshit. By the way, new trailers were never shown to us first. They would always upload the video to youtube for everyone to see and then send us an email to say "hey, we just uploaded this vieo, watch!" so its not very different from just seeing this trailer on Nintendo's Youtube channel first rather than Bloodstained's channel. They're all out in the open for everyone to see.
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Post by gunlord500 on Mar 12, 2019 23:31:30 GMT -6
Enough of this. Aztec, please just ignore Browren's posts or block him entirely. Browren, I'll ask you to do the same for Aztec. I don't want to start putting a foot down, but while we may allow discussion of the Mac/Linux issue here as it tangentially relates to the trailer mentioned in the updates, this sniping at each other is making it difficult for other users to peacefully discuss Bloodless, the graphical improvements, and the other things mentioned in the update. Any more arguing between you two will be deleted, and I'll hand out warns if it keeps up. Me and the other mods generally keep a very light hand on the forums, but we also see it as our responsibility to foster a friendly atmosphere around here, and when an argument starts getting in the way of other people trying to have a discussion, that's when something must be done.
Now, with that said...browren (and I'd request you respond to me, not Aztec, since I just got done telling the both of you to ease off on your argument), while I appreciate your good-faith explanation of the proprietary software involved in Nintendo's online services, your most recent response doesn't seem to allow for much good-faith discussion. You explicitly say "Nothing has been "debunked."" and "505 isn't a truthful company." With that attitude, how can 505 possibly do anything to satisfy you? Question just said the cost for a Nintendo Direct was 0 for Bloodstained. If you aren't going to take 505 at their word for that, are you going to believe anything else 505 says? If they offer *any* explanation, whether unpleasant but plausible ("We just don't want to spend money on Linux/Mac ports for little return) or perhaps something more understandable ("The people working on our Mac/Linux ports fell sick/the procedurally generated stages interact strangely with middleware on Linux and Mac tests/something like that"), you're just going to say they're "not trustworthy" and claim the real reason was some skullduggery involving Nintendo. Again, I've made it a point not to insult you and I've repeatedly stated how unhappy I am with abandoning Mac and Linux backers, but at some point if you want anyone here--505 or anyone else--to engage with you, you need to display some willingness to accept what people here offer you in return, otherwise there's just no point--why should anyone (whether official 505 employees, mods like me, or regular users) try to address your concerns and answer your questions if you won't accept anything we say and call us liars, or "not truthful," or something?
Now, to reiterate, I, Purify, and I think it's safe to say 505 games is willing to have a measured conversation with Browren and other displeased Mac and Linux backers here, or elsewhere if you'd like to take this discussion to the other thread ("Holiday's over") already up. So if anyone's irritated by Browren's posts, just ignore them and let us address it. But again, if we're putting the effort to answer your questions and address your concerns, don't just dismiss us as untruthful. If you really thought folks here weren't going to be straight with you, there's no point in even being here, is there? So don't accuse 505 of being liars or untruthful or anything like that if you're going to demand they talk to you.
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Post by Enkeria on Mar 13, 2019 1:26:06 GMT -6
Bloodless Umbrella as an equipable weapon is one of those great things you can mod into the game, as long as no harm is done so to speak.
Same goes with loads of other ideas from this community that might not end up in the finished product. Just saying.
Modding should never be dismissed. When it comes to shards, I do not think modding is part of changing numbers (yet). Possibly graphics can be toggled around. We shall see what's ok and not to mod further down the road.
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Post by Pure Miriam on Mar 13, 2019 2:06:51 GMT -6
Enkeria Yeah, modding can happen and i hope the mod community can work on Bloodstained. But it is fun when you have something being part of the game's lore itself. Like Portrait of Ruin where you can actually find Stellar Sword, the weapon of Maxim Kischne from Harmony of Dissonance. You get it as a quest from Wind (spoiler: Eric Lecarde's spirit) which means that Maxim lost such weapon in the castle after Harmony? Or maybe when he got old, he passed it down to someone and ended up reaching Wind who keep it and gave it to Jonathan later on. It isn't something overly important, but these little touches on Igavania's lore is part of what makes these games so great. You can easily speculate about a ton of things with nothing but a piece of gear. That's why i think it would be cool if we could find Bloodless Umbrella, if we could craft it or something. Nezuto Her dress would also be a great touch, yes. To be fair, i really like Bloodless design and as Galamoth said it once, it would be awesome if Bloodless was, for some reason, a playable character and/or had more lore to her. I don't think this will happen, but it would be cool.
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Post by mourningxsun on Mar 13, 2019 2:19:29 GMT -6
Something that's absolutely pure baseless guessing, but would familiar skins be a possibility in this game? Because having a Bloodless outfit for the fairy familiar would be pretty neat as well.
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Post by Nezuto on Mar 13, 2019 2:26:11 GMT -6
Crap, if she was playable, that'd be even better.....if we could get mod support, maybe that'd be possible to an extent?
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Post by browren on Mar 13, 2019 5:41:49 GMT -6
gunlord500, as I have said repeatedly now, I would be satisfied with an ACTUAL DESCRIPTION OF THE BUG. 505 claimed there's a middleware problem and they can't support Linux or Mac because of it. What is the bug? Not something vague, not some generic "middleware" hand-waving. Which UE4 plugin isn't working? What is the ACTUAL problem? Tell me that and I'll be more than happy to delete my account here, remove the demo from my Steam library, and move on. That said again, If their reason ISN'T actually middleware, are you still going to say they were honest?
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Post by gunlord500 on Mar 13, 2019 6:03:45 GMT -6
gunlord500 , as I have said repeatedly now, I would be satisfied with an ACTUAL DESCRIPTION OF THE BUG. 505 claimed there's a middleware problem and they can't support Linux or Mac because of it. What is the bug? Not something vague, not some generic "middleware" hand-waving. Which UE4 plugin isn't working? What is the ACTUAL problem? Tell me that and I'll be more than happy to delete my account here, remove the demo from my Steam library, and move on. That said again, If their reason ISN'T actually middleware, are you still going to say they were honest? But if the problem is actually with some *proprietary* middleware, as you imply (whether it's with Nintendo, Sony, or whoever), I don't think they'd be permitted to do that. Aren't most proprietary forms of software under some pretty heavy restrictions? I've heard of people getting in trouble because they took a screenshot where you could see some of their code in the background. I don't think 505 or Artplay would be permitted to give anything more specific than "middleware issues" unless they wanted to get in legal trouble.
However, I may be wrong...I'm not a computer science guy, but I find this stuff pretty interesting. For my own personal use, if it wouldn't be a legal issue, I'd like Angel-Corlux to get in touch with the devs and see if there was something specific going on with Mac and Linux, i.e one line of code or something, or if it was just a general budgetary issue (what I implied above, high expense for low return). But I'm just a mod, if they're legally obligated to keep mum, that's that.
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Post by browren on Mar 13, 2019 6:47:17 GMT -6
But if the problem is actually with some *proprietary* middleware, as you imply (whether it's with Nintendo, Sony, or whoever), I don't think they'd be permitted to do that. Aren't most proprietary forms of software under some pretty heavy restrictions? I've heard of people getting in trouble because they took a screenshot where you could see some of their code in the background. I don't think 505 or Artplay would be permitted to give anything more specific than "middleware issues" unless they wanted to get in legal trouble. If that is the case they could certainly have said that a proprietary component was at fault without naming it. If an NDA prevents them from discussing it further, they should say that an NDA prevents them from discussing it further. Most NDAs that I'm familiar with have no provision preventing you from telling people you're under NDA, precisely because not being able to say anything at all looks really bad. Saying "we're not allowed to say" doesn't say WHY you're not allowed to say, so that's just more word games. They could say that and the reason they're "not allowed to say" is because Mr. Beancounter at 505 told them they're not allowed to rat him out. Well, not to put too fine of a point on it, but before there were any agreements with software providers, Artplay were first legally obligated to deliver Bloodstained on Mac and Linux, and they accepted the Kickstarter money for it. If they or 505 entered agreements they knew would block them from meeting all their obligations, it'd be dishonest to call it a technical problem. But again, this is all just conjecture and "conspiracy theory" until 505 stops deliberately avoiding answering the question.
EDIT: anyway to get this back on topic, the update came off to me like if I asked my cousin for the $50 he owes me, and he whipped out a shiny new iPhone X to show me his zero bank balance. They can't give me my game, but boy oh boy are they having some great luck with Nintendo!
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Mar 13, 2019 8:08:28 GMT -6
The Bloodless outfits/playable (as one of the MAIN playables haha) craze is funny to me - she's getting so much attention because that happened to be the character featured in the graphics comparison video. Y'all calm down lol.
That said, I'd be shocked if she wasn't available to use in Boss Revenge. I imagine all of the human-sized boss characters will be selectable for that.
edit: I don't have a Switch myself (yet), but all the same very happy to see Bloodstained doing so well for itself. That's the success we want to see. This pushes it farther from the bin of the "failed game" so many wanted to relish in painting it as. I realize that not delivering to a certain platform can have that product be a failure to someone subjectively, but I don't look at Bloodstained subjectively. I'm in this for the many, just happen to include myself. That just as well means that I want as many people as possible to be satisfied, but sometimes that just isn't possible. I'd be interested to see if 505 gives any more detail on the situation, but I don't expect it for the reasons I mention in previous posts.
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