May 2018 Kickstarter Update and Feedback Survey Results!

Suffice to say that the Japanese exclusive of SotN may have it's interesting elements but it's not considered by most to be the official nor a needed additions to the game. While there's always a wish that they could have put more into a game there is almost always more idea's then they could possibly put into any game. Eventually they have to say STOP and finish up the game though. The content in the Satran SotN is at beast cut and partially realized content, not locked off.

However being denied locked content is never fun, imagine if you heard what a great game Sympony of the Night was or Dracula X/Rondo of Blood was and they told you that the Doppelganger or Galamoth or Succubus were exclusive to people that had backed it 20 years ago, or that playing as Maria was exclusive to those that had pre ordered the game?

Cranium

OK let's talk reality, the reality is that any investment is a risk and that's what you made when you invested in the campaign you didn't order a product, rather you invested in an idea that was always going to change and mold as it went. Going strictly by what you say this entire campaign is a lie because, Inti Creates won't be responsible for Ritual like they were suppose to be other companies that have come and gone have changed things and how this game will turn out, several of the limited pledge levels were expanded thereby cheapening the value of autograph copies and other services, David Hayter will not voice Gebel etc.

Would you insist at this point that the Wii U version be made and the Switch version dropped because thats what was promised? I personally wouldn't because it's not good for the community or the franchise, and that's why I and others want the content to be available to everyone, I personally don't even want a "special" edition sold at a higher price since that would be another "special edition" to compete with my backers edition I don't want even more patches that someday won't be available to me no matter if I'm a backer or not. But the point is as small of an issue as it might be I've never liked exclusive content whether I had it or not, and more then a few agree with me we want everyone to have the chance to fight IGA with a swordwhip.

Since I've argued the point before in other threads I won't debate it here as I said all I really have to say anyways, if the loss of "exclusivity" bothers you I sincerely regret that, and I understand where you're coming from with conditions being changed on you and all, especially if you paid abit more for just for that exclusivity, but I still hope it happens, because at the end of the day you'll still get what you wanted just more people will get it too. Either way though I'll support the game. If it does happen and you want to call them liers, that's on you, but they did'nt make the promise that was other people not involved with the project anymore... that's what happens in these sorts of situation the reality (not just the reality you or I see) is fluid and always changing till the final product is out, witch is why I invested in the project to make the end game happen and for everyone possible to enjoy it like I will.

purifyweirdshard Unfortunately, I suppose, that does nothing for me. They may no longer be involved in the development of the main game but it was still a promise made by the Kickstarter as a whole. While Iga may have been against the idea of he himself being a boss this does not mean we know whether he was oppose to the idea of a backer exclusive boss reward. Also, the fact that Inti Creates is no longer involved in the main game's development is a very poor excuse imo as they were brought in by the Kickstarter (whoever that may have been at the time) and as we see in that original campaign video, Iga vouches for the people they brought in to work with. The idea may have been brought in by Inti, maybe, but it was an idea that the Kickstarter agreed to.

Cranium

Cool that you feel that way cranium still don't agree with you, but be that as it may, I hope your happy with the game when it comes out nonetheless.

Anyways I deleted my new post and reposted it in the appropriate thread. I would appreciate a reply from Angel-Corlux.

I mean, The result from the survey came now, pledgemanager ended 2 weeks ago. That means that probably a lot of people had to consider the fact that quite important things might change AFTER you buy some extra copies or not. Ie. The BACKER EXCLUSIVE digital bonuses that was suppose to be only for backers, as the name for that bonus is quite obvious.

I mean that me personally, I made the choice even though the Survey wasn't out yet, hoping that people would vote to keep the Exclusive content exclusive to backers only. Because that  would make future "Collectibles" of the game much more valuable, like NES games of Caslevania are today for example (if boxed and all)

I purchased 3extra Alchemy pledges with this hope in mind, as it was the promise all a long, and that was part of the deal from the Kickstarter and until now. Sure they might not let all that content free anyways, but it looks like they will. 

So my point is, they should've released the results before the pledgemanager closed so people could make a choice based on the info that's out now. It's a bit cheeky imo

UngweLianti

I could be wrong but, I honestly don't know how much sympathy your going to get arguing that your scalping profits will be cut into if they decide to make this content public, I know it was brought up before by someone that we should actually work to PREVENT scalpers hoarding copies of the game for collectors that will never open the box. It isn't really helping the cause so much as it is helping your bank account.

To be clear you payed for it and what you do with it is your choice. But speaking personally I don't really see it as a point against making the content public. Buying and trading goods at a mark up is a risk and the markets not going to flow just to keep you rich. You should still have some goodies like keychains and tats and buttons to include with your purchase to temp any collectors.

I was going to go through this thread and reply to the a lot of what I've read here... but then my internet went out for over an hour... and now I don't have much time left before I gotta get to bed. Guess I'll just do what I can, and the thread will be like twice as long by the time I wake up that's FINE


This threw me off myself, and I had no idea what answer to put. I'm not sure what answer I did put. I might have left it blank, if possible.

I have zero regrets backing $125 for the game, but I think $40 seems about the ballpark for what the game is. $10,000,000 is just not the sort of budget that gets the AAA $60 price tag. But it's still higher priced than most indies which tend to hang around $15 - 20. The $40 price range for lower end mainstream games and handheld games seems to fit Bloodstained quite well. I don't think they'll have much issue recouping the cost of development if the game is as successful as Curse of the Moon seems to be.

[This response was about Vepar, but seeing many pages later that XombieMike moved a bunch of Vepar related posts apparently, I've removed this portion of my post. Bummer.]

My "other" idea was to combine two. Timed exclusive and paid DLC. But tbh, pay a lot less than Deluxe Edition. $20 for it seems overkill for me. I would have been satisfied with it being a $2 - $5 DLC that's released a few weeks later, like how pre-order bonuses tend to be handled.

And I chose that answer as well. I understood some of the other references but none of them really made sense in context to me, so the "correct" answer was my go to. The rest just kinda felt like non-sequitors.
Wew. That is definitely the longest response I've ever posted here. I don't even know if this forum allows stuff like this but ... YOLO I guess.

Free "good fellow" points to anyone who actually reads this entire thing lmao

lovelydumpling

I see what your saying however I was actually trying to point out other matters...

1. That plan's change not whether or not there is/was overall approval for the change or not, I agree that it is good that IGA and crew offered refunds but regardless it's good that the original promise wasn't kept because it would be bad for the game to come out on the Wii U now in 2018, hence my second point.

2. If the original promise had been kept, that investment into the Wii U and all the backer money and development would have been by and large wasted. It would have really hurt the sales of the game and cut off an entire market, alot of people are only going to be playing on their Switch this year, if the original promise had been kept though, few of them would have likely played it. Nintendo YouTubers wouldn't be advertising it and of all the Youtubers I've seen streaming/reviewing and in essence selling CotM, only one has not been on a Switch that I know of.

So while your correct there would have been alot of upset people if they weren't allowed there money back, That had nothing to do with the point I was making, and there is a difference from the Wii U's situation and the exclusive not staying exclusive, With Wii U they literally don't have anything in return THEY have to buy a new system if they want the game, while people that invested in the exclusive content no matter what the decision ends up being are still getting what they paid for the question is whether or not others should be allowed to get it as well.