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Post by roguedragon05 on Jun 1, 2018 16:07:10 GMT -6
Shax Well Castlevania didn't have quite as much of a presence on Xbox over the years and I think the Playstation sort of took more from the Nintendo/Sega crowd and by default Castlevania fans then Xbox did. That's just my opinion but that could partly explain why Boxers have less interest in Bloodstained. As for me I'm surprised that the Switch didn't rank higher
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Post by Question on Jun 1, 2018 16:19:24 GMT -6
Is the demo on Steam Microsoft Windows only? Which areas will be playable in the demo? The E3 Backer Demo will be Steam only. The final game will still come out on GOG. You'll have to play to see what areas are included.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 16:21:30 GMT -6
@ikai Yes, the campaign says that GOG and Steam backers will get access to the beta. That's not the same thing as saying that the beta will be on Steam and GOG. It was just specified in the FAQ to distinguish between PC and console backers. Thanks for the clarification; much appreciated.
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Post by Cranium on Jun 1, 2018 16:37:46 GMT -6
I'm vehemently against giving away or selling of the backer exclusive content. As with all the rewards, it was an incentive to further back the project and removing exclusivity would take away the personal value to those who backed for it just as making any of the physical rewards available for purchase after the games release would devalue them. Its significantly different from Day 1 DLC as far as I'm concerned because this was not simply time exclusive due to marketing, it was time exclusive due to the very nature of it being a Kickstarter. As for piracy issues, I'd refer to the suppressed 300 page EU study into the effects of piracy on the sales of copyrighted music, books, video games, and movies which found no major harm is done.
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Post by roguedragon05 on Jun 1, 2018 16:49:46 GMT -6
CraniumAs you've stated multiple times cranium, there are more than a few that agree with you I don't personally and I'm kinda surprised that so many agree with me, if I had my way the term exclusive would just be removed all together and it would be part of the standard package, it doesn't do anything for me to be able to play something that others can't or won't be able to 5 years or so in the future when Bloodstained 2 comes out. I understand that more than a few paid $32 extra bucks for that and I'm more then open to some sort of compromise but regardless of the decision I'll still support the game but I hope it will be available to all.
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 1, 2018 17:15:34 GMT -6
Cranium You are not the only backer that feels like this. In fact, this is probably the single most polarizing topic in our community. I have tagged Question with a quote from a guest member to ask about only polling the backers. We have that ability thanks to Fangamer, and in my opinion we should use it IF this is even seriously being considered. Like it says in the first post in this thread in big bold font, "these survey results do not automatically guarantee future actions, features or plans." The publisher may just be putting a toe in the water to see how it would go. Those that are against it are VERY against it.
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Post by Cale on Jun 1, 2018 17:41:19 GMT -6
Is the demo on Steam Microsoft Windows only? Which areas will be playable in the demo? The E3 Backer Demo will be Steam only. The final game will still come out on GOG. You'll have to play to see what areas are included. I assume you mean Steam Windows only? I know for the first demo "we could play", it wasn't for Mac. I know the final game says "STEAM (PC/Mac/Linux)" and DRM-Free option with GOG, but the demo probably won't be?
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Post by Pure Miriam on Jun 1, 2018 18:11:39 GMT -6
Interesting results on the survey. Don't see a reason to comment about them, since most people already talked about everything.
I just wanted to talk a bit about the two shards revealed at this update.
DETECTIVE EYE
I have a feeling that this is the first Effective Shard revealed in the game. I don't see it fitting on any of the other types. This Shard is obviously based on Peeping Eye Soul from Aria and Dawn of Sorrow that had the same effect. In both games, such power was among the hardest to obtain, and i don't see why it woud be different here. Showing up breakable walls makes exploration much easier, so, it should be quite a prize. (For information: Peeping Eye had a 1% soul drop chance).
FALD TAIAB
Fald Taiab (arabic name whose meaning i don't know) is just a basic rapid-fire dark magic. It's fun, but nothing overly special.
Anyways, good update =)
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Post by Whatzituyah on Jun 1, 2018 18:23:54 GMT -6
I am kinda one of those people who hate too be locked out of content and that means any content. It makes me feel the game is technically incomplete even if it's just a %99.99.
Too put it in Castlevania terms you know content cut from Symphony of the Night? That bothered me I didn't have access too one area and a jewel sword so I would feel the same here.
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 1, 2018 19:41:22 GMT -6
Kind of disappointed about the exclusive dlc question. I think the only people who should have a say in what happens with the exclusive backer dlc are the backers!!!! This question should be sent back out to only the backers. I vote for it to be exclusive to only backers. Makes perfect sense to me. Question The answer to this from Facebook was that 79% of the survey takers were backers. I think that's a pretty satisfying answer. I don't think another poll would be useful.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jun 1, 2018 19:45:58 GMT -6
More than 79 even, since another 8% were "not backers yet, but planned on it".
Mind you a certain % within these were slacker backers, but probably not a significantly high enough number to change the outcome of that 11%.
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Post by Whatzituyah on Jun 1, 2018 20:00:49 GMT -6
The answer to this from Facebook was that 79% of the survey takers were backers. I think that's a pretty satisfying answer. I don't think another poll would be useful. Did you just answer yourself? Anyway I am all for all content to be available for everyone as I didn't like cut content out of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night when I played it on Xbox 360 as I think it was missing a few items and at least one area.
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Post by jboogieg on Jun 1, 2018 20:11:37 GMT -6
The answer to this from Facebook was that 79% of the survey takers were backers. I think that's a pretty satisfying answer. I don't think another poll would be useful. Did you just answer yourself? Anyway I am all for all content to be available for everyone as I didn't like cut content out of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night when I played it on Xbox 360 as I think it was missing a few items and at least one area. This isn't true. The only thing missing are the fmv's because when it came out this was in the early time of XBLA on 360 when there was a hard limit of 50GB. Heck, it got a special dispensation to go above it and soon after the limit was raised to 150gb. The item you're probably talking about was fixed in a patch, so wouldn't be affected if played via XBox One BC.
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Post by Whatzituyah on Jun 1, 2018 20:13:51 GMT -6
Did you just answer yourself? Anyway I am all for all content to be available for everyone as I didn't like cut content out of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night when I played it on Xbox 360 as I think it was missing a few items and at least one area. This isn't true. The only thing missing are the fmv's because when it came out this was in the early time of XBLA on 360 when there was a hard limit of 50GB. Heck, it got a special dispensation to go above it and soon after the limit was raised to 150gb. The item you're probably talking about was fixed in a patch, so wouldn't be affected if played via XBox One BC. The Gem/Jewel Sword is accessible then through legit means? Proof? Even if so it's a perfect example of missing content.
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Post by Whatzituyah on Jun 1, 2018 20:18:32 GMT -6
This isn't true. The only thing missing are the fmv's because when it came out this was in the early time of XBLA on 360 when there was a hard limit of 50GB. Heck, it got a special dispensation to go above it and soon after the limit was raised to 150gb. The item you're probably talking about was fixed in a patch, so wouldn't be affected if played via XBox One BC. The Gem/Jewel Sword is accessible then through legit means? Proof? Even if so it's a perfect example of missing content. Well I meant a room the Jewel Sword was in and I didn't know Disc Lord dropped it. But there was still the cut area which was a garden I think.
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Post by Overlord on Jun 1, 2018 20:18:48 GMT -6
The Detective Eye looks really cool, and it's a cool name as well. However, it seems like it only works if you're right next to a secret entrance, which defeats the point of the ability to me. If I'm right next to a wall, I tend to attack it, so it wouldn't really help me find anything. I would think that's why the Peeping Eye soul or an equivalent always worked from a distance.
As for the subject of the backer-only content, I'd normally have no issue with everyone having access to any extra content. In this case though, since it was advertised as "backer-only", I don't think it's right to change that. When companies do something of that nature, I find it difficult to take anything they say afterward seriously. Also, while Bloodstained is the only Kickstarter I've backed, I've seen quite a few over the years, and some have had backer-only content. I haven't heard of any of them offering that content to everyone.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jun 1, 2018 20:22:19 GMT -6
I figured the cut content you were referring to was the Saturn content, which wasn't really "cut" so much as it was not finished/not approved by Iga. The Saturn game came after the PS1 without his supervision and the original team's expertise, which is why it doesn't run very well. They kind of just appropriated some assets and threw some extra stuff together.
edit: yeah that's where the garden/prison area is from
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Post by Whatzituyah on Jun 1, 2018 20:26:03 GMT -6
I figured the cut content you were referring to was the Saturn content, which wasn't really "cut" so much as it was not finished/not approved by Iga. The Saturn game came after the PS1 without his supervision and the original team's expertise, which is why it doesn't run very well. They kind of just appropriated some assets and threw some extra stuff together. Doesn't make it any less frustrating when you could have more stuff to dig into and the same could be said about the backer exclusive content.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jun 1, 2018 20:29:04 GMT -6
It definitely doesn't change the point you're making, no, but I didn't want you to think you were sold an incomplete/unrealized vision of SotN. You got the real deal there.
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Post by jboogieg on Jun 1, 2018 20:30:18 GMT -6
This isn't true. The only thing missing are the fmv's because when it came out this was in the early time of XBLA on 360 when there was a hard limit of 50GB. Heck, it got a special dispensation to go above it and soon after the limit was raised to 150gb. The item you're probably talking about was fixed in a patch, so wouldn't be affected if played via XBox One BC. The Gem/Jewel Sword is accessible then through legit means? Proof? Even if so it's a perfect example of missing content. My memories and these board posts: gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/937723-castlevania-symphony-of-the-night?search=Jewel+sword&filter=0 That's about the only proof I have for you. I'm not trying to call you out but you are literally the first person I ever saw claim gameplay related things were missing. In fact I Google searched to double check before I answered the first time and can't find any proof of what you're saying.
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