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Post by Philly "F'n" Belmont on Jun 30, 2015 8:43:49 GMT -6
You won't steal man's souls, and make them your slaves? Well that's sad Anyway, I think it will get 5M at least, I don't know how big is the community, or how much they are expecting form Shenmue 3, but still 5M is palpable. Attachments:
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Post by thrashinuva on Jun 30, 2015 10:36:53 GMT -6
Kicktraq is nothing to go by. Bloodstained didn't follow it's projection at all, and I'm sure anything with a high first few days won't either.
That said, I was disappointed in how fast the Shenmue 3 funds stopped going down. If it gets a similar ending 2 days as the beginning 2 days, you're looking at another 3 million from that, but it isn't looking like it's going to get that treatment. For as high as its initial days got, it's suffering from incredible lows on all the other days. That might not be a lot of hype by the time the final days hit.
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Post by jim on Jun 30, 2015 10:49:50 GMT -6
That was my point early on. Bloodstained had a bright beginning like the strike of a match but then went on to a steady burn like a good hard wood bonfire. Not a huge blaze but a good hot long running fire. At the end when the reminder hit it was like dumping a bucket of oil on the fire. Not explosive, but certainly made the fire burn with every increasing in fervor.
Shenmue 3 right now is reminding me of someone striking a match and throwing into a bucket of gasoline. Good spark to start, BIG huge whoosh and flame and boom. But then afterwards there nothing left but some smoldering embers and all your fuel is gone. And honestly I think E3 has more to do with that than anything else. I think if they had been more "organic" about it, pushing it to all the video game blogs and websites it could have had a good steady hot burn like Bloodstained did with a big flare up at the end that could have really pushed up its numbers.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 30, 2015 11:02:59 GMT -6
I really don't see a way to rekindle the fire on Shenmue...
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Post by iggyg85 on Jun 30, 2015 11:05:38 GMT -6
That was my point early on. Bloodstained had a bright beginning like the strike of a match but then went on to a steady burn like a good hard wood bonfire. Not a huge blaze but a good hot long running fire. At the end when the reminder hit it was like dumping a bucket of oil on the fire. Not explosive, but certainly made the fire burn with every increasing in fervor. Shenmue 3 right now is reminding me of someone striking a match and throwing into a bucket of gasoline. Good spark to start, BIG huge whoosh and flame and boom. But then afterwards there nothing left but some smoldering embers and all your fuel is gone. And honestly I think E3 has more to do with that than anything else. I think if they had been more "organic" about it, pushing it to all the video game blogs and websites it could have had a good steady hot burn like Bloodstained did with a big flare up at the end that could have really pushed up its numbers. I agree with this 100% completely.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 30, 2015 11:20:42 GMT -6
And I never see the KS campaign do anything else to boost the funding, other than just showing all of the strecth goals, which I think it backfired instead...
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Post by jim on Jun 30, 2015 11:23:16 GMT -6
Well the 48 hour reminder will dump some new fuel on the campaign. The question is will the embers still be burning bright enough to ignite the fuel.
Will the fuel make the embers sputter but maybe burn a little brighter? Will the embers make the fuel take off into an inferno? Or will the fuel be too much and quench the embers?
Only time will tell.
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Post by thrashinuva on Jun 30, 2015 11:27:26 GMT -6
One thing Shenmue 3 doesn't have in its stretch goals are crazy additions.
Bloodstained had a 2nd playable character and David Hayter has two of the beginning stretch goals we were introduced with. Then after that we were shown local co-op and Classic Mode, followed by biggest castle, ports, and online play.
I think they just didn't have enough to keep the fire burning. I feel like their pledge rewards aren't as thrilling either, especially considering Bloodstained gave ways to change the game with our money, and signed Amano prints.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 30, 2015 11:36:41 GMT -6
Well the 48 hour reminder will dump some new fuel on the campaign. The question is will the embers still be burning bright enough to ignite the fuel. Will the fuel make the embers sputter but maybe burn a little brighter? Will the embers make the fuel take off into an inferno? Or will the fuel be too much and quench the embers? Only time will tell. Can't argue with that, but still, looking at kicktraq just for daily data, I never liked looking at projections It is looking pretty bad, only around 5k to 6k for today...
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Post by ChucklesTheJester on Jun 30, 2015 11:48:14 GMT -6
I STILL think it won't break 5 million. 4.5 maybe, depending on how big that last day push is.
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Post by jim on Jun 30, 2015 12:14:33 GMT -6
Can't argue with that, but still, looking at kicktraq just for daily data, I never liked looking at projections It is looking pretty bad, only around 5k to 6k for today... I STILL think it won't break 5 million. 4.5 maybe, depending on how big that last day push is. Ya I don't ever take the "Projections" graph as law. If nothing else it's always a day behind the action. But I do find it to be decent baseline to show a reasonably conservative estimate. That said, I think 4.5M is a reasonable estimate assuming they get traction on a last 48 surge. And I do think breaking 5M is a real possibility. How much they go beyond that? I think surpassing 5.25M is an outside possibility. But unless they get a surge, some how, at the end on par with the magnitude of the one they had at the beginning I would say that 5.5M is the absolute limit. And honestly I do not see them breaking that or really even coming close. Edit: Whoops!!! My BBcode bold and underline markers got a little out of whack there
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Post by thrashinuva on Jun 30, 2015 12:38:07 GMT -6
Well, it probably will pass Bloodstained. It still has 17 days left and is in the position Bloodstained was in when it only had about 5 or so days left.
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Post by ChucklesTheJester on Jun 30, 2015 13:09:00 GMT -6
I really don't think so, just because of how much it SLOWED DOWN. Look at the pledges per day for Shenmue and Bloodstained, and exactly how much they've fallen off for both after the initial rush. Bloodstained didn't have as much of a rush, initially, but maintained some momentum per-day, while the contributions to Shenmue basically dropped dead. If Shenmue doesn't break 4 million before the last two days (and I don't think it will), there's no way it'll make 5.5 million.
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Post by Galamoth on Jun 30, 2015 13:10:37 GMT -6
Well, it probably will pass Bloodstained. It still has 17 days left and is in the position Bloodstained was in when it only had about 5 or so days left. Speaking of "5 days left", I've chosen to wait until there's that much time left in the Kickstarter before I make my decision on whether to pledge money to it.
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Post by jim on Jun 30, 2015 13:25:30 GMT -6
Well, it probably will pass Bloodstained. It still has 17 days left and is in the position Bloodstained was in when it only had about 5 or so days left. They may have extra time but that doesn't do anything for you if there is no momentum. And looking at the daily totals they are not climbing at the same rate that Bloodstained did. Add in that there is some obvious backlash from the community about how the campaign is being run, what is being ask of them, and what they would be getting in return be it stretch goals or rewards and it doesn't paint a very positive picture. I think that between E3 burning out donors early and the way the campaign is being run it's just not going to add up. I mean other than the initial E3 announcement and some initial press right afterwards, have there really been any NEW stories about Shenmue 3 from any of the videogame mags/sites/blogs? I don't follow them so I don't know if Shenmue has received the same level of attention, but when we were doing the Bloodstained campaign it seemed like someone was releasing a story about RotN or doing an interview with almost every other day on some blog or gaming site. You can't beat that kind of press. I don't really doubt that there will be some kind of surge at the end of the campaign. What I doubt is its magnitude. Things just really aren't adding up. There's really been too much going on gaming wise on KS. I really wish them the best and part of me really does hope that they surpass RotN. That kind of press for "independent" game makers (regardless of how independent or not he, Iga, or any of these game devs may actually be [and I'm questioning that, just recognizing that some have brought that question up especially in reference to Shenmue 3]) is a good thing. I'm hoping that one of two things will happen. Either the AAA game companies will wake up and realize that they are missing the boat and bring back these kinds of games, or they'll jump ship completely and let all the current game devs go work for independent companies. The second of those two would be VERY rough and I admit it would very bad for a lot of folks at least in the short term and we might loose a few who give up completely. BUT!!! It could lead to a renaissance of sorts in the game industry which I think would be a very good thing long term.
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 30, 2015 13:49:41 GMT -6
That data's pretty interesting, Chuckles. It looks like Shenmue actually made the majority of its funding on the *second* day, unlike Bloodstained, which had a surge on the first. I wonder what that means
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Post by jim on Jun 30, 2015 13:58:00 GMT -6
That data's pretty interesting, Chuckles. It looks like Shenmue actually made the majority of its funding on the *second* day, unlike Bloodstained, which had a surge on the first. I wonder what that means E3 happend on the second day of the KS campaign not the first???
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 30, 2015 14:35:48 GMT -6
Oh yeah. XD
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Post by JoJo on Jun 30, 2015 21:01:12 GMT -6
As of now, 10 million is practically impossible...
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Post by Ciel on Jun 30, 2015 21:10:51 GMT -6
As of now, 10 million is practically impossible... It was impossible from the start. If even Bloodstained, spiritual successor of Castlevania which has more fans than Shenmue "only" got 5.8 million, how in the world Shenmue would get 10 million?
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