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Post by ghaleon on Jun 17, 2015 22:00:43 GMT -6
TBH, BS' initial stretch goals were kinda silly too. like a single new boss takes 1/4 of a million dollars? really? Time attack mode has people interested, but what is it really? Basically the normal game with a timer added and saved when you're done most likely... how much work does it take to do that? $250,000 worth? hell no. Boss rush mode is something that you would think be implimented in anyway. I don't think it was until the 2m mark or so when BS started to get some impressive stretch goals.
That said Stretch goals or not, I would have invested the same amount of $$$ in bloodstained if it got no stretch goals as if it had got them.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 17, 2015 22:14:08 GMT -6
The problem is that Shenmue 3's go all the way up into the 5M range. That's not even the end as there's still two more villages they're going have stretch goals for. Are they expecting people to back that much through mass nostalgia only?
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Post by WhisperingId on Jun 17, 2015 22:25:35 GMT -6
The problem is that Shenmue 3's go all the way up into the 5M range. That's not even the end as there's still two more villages they're going have stretch goals for. Are they expecting people to back that much through mass nostalgia only? Seems to be working so far  |
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Post by McDerp on Jun 17, 2015 22:41:32 GMT -6
The problem is that Shenmue 3's go all the way up into the 5M range. That's not even the end as there's still two more villages they're going have stretch goals for. Are they expecting people to back that much through mass nostalgia only? Seems to be working so far Last I cared to look, they were still complaining that people weren't pledging enough, or that not enough people were pledging at all. Got sick of it and left when they showed they couldn't look in a mirror. I'll wait for a physical console release. Some people you can't deal with. |
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Post by iggyg85 on Jun 17, 2015 23:20:24 GMT -6
In one hand I'm curious about this game, in the other hand I'm fortunate enough to have never played the first 2 so I'm not a rabid fan and can wait. Too bad for this game that my wallet remains closed since every dollar helps, but they'll do just fine without me. More power to those of you that strive for and want this game though, so good luck unlocking all available content/stretch goals!
Now when B:RotN was announced I had a respect for IGA's style already (only had played but never beat SotN until last month). Having a respect of side scrollers since the NES era, and also a fan of dark/gothic styles.
I never had the chance to play SotN on PS1 so it was on my backlog when it become a dl game on PSN. Now that I've beaten it with 197% (I know not fully complete lol) I've moved on to Richter mode!
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Post by Ravenspear on Jun 18, 2015 0:06:09 GMT -6
Actually, there is no doubt they are most likely to end up with 74 000 - 80 000 backers (that's being hopeful, btw) and if they succeed to keep the average pledge at more than 74$ (it's 78 right now) than most likely they will surpass the BS campaign unless some other KS campaign take the spotlight (it's far less likely now because that BS and Youka just ended). If I had to take a guess, I would be betting on less than 74 000 backers with an average pledge of 73 so 5.4 millions, or maybe I just really want to keep BS at the top x')
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Post by iggyg85 on Jun 18, 2015 0:15:46 GMT -6
Actually, there is no doubt they are most likely to end up with 74 000 - 80 000 backers (that's being hopeful, btw) and if they succeed to keep the average pledge at more than 74$ (it's 78 right now) than most likely they will surpass the BS campaign unless some other KS campaign take the spotlight (it's far less likely now because that BS and Youka just ended). If I had to take a guess, I would be betting on less than 74 000 backers with an average pledge of 73 so 5.4 millions, or maybe I just really want to keep BS at the top x') I'm personally hoping they get to retain the title, but it looks bleak after just the first few days |
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Post by Ravenspear on Jun 18, 2015 1:01:17 GMT -6
Not really, let me explain
Their day 1 happened day 2 (habitually, there can be a strong correlation between the overall success and their day 1)
But they are running a terrible campaign (I don't think I need to explain why I would think that)
They must snowball during the 4 remaining weeks buut
Sony e3 announcement happened but now most gamers that could hear of it did and those that did not pledge that cares needs to not forget and be impressed by their campaign (reread the third line)
Plus they are limiting the pledge at 500, how many backers BS had over 500$? 141, not 4 like Shenmue. So I guess their average pledge will suffer
Plus their stretch goals seems quite a letdown, it starts at 2.5 millions 3.2 millions(60% over the funding goal btw, it just shows they thinks the fans are just a mean to get to the $$$) and even at 5 million there's nothing interesting, and we can guess next goals will be about adding features in the next villages. OH BOY my first village gets to be interesting if we get from 4 millions to 5 millions! Or in other words 13 000 new backers that doesn't think this campaign is shat. With how it will be going today and tomorrow, we will be able to tell just how far they will be able to go now that their 'e3 turbo fuel' has run out until the finish line. They can't be more on the headline than they did.
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Post by ghaleon on Jun 18, 2015 2:21:12 GMT -6
I said it before and I'll say it again, if shenmue gets more I'll be downright offended. Someone showed me a video in an effort to help me understand why it should possibly get more support. But what I saw had no gameplay at all, just cutscene... I suspect they expected me to be impressed that the cutscenes were using in-game models and animations rather than some FMV or something, which is in fact unique for its time but...uhh...Those kinds of features are the kinds of features AAA developers who care more about credit and less than actual gameplay try to convince is important than the actual game... As for gameplay, I know nothing other than it inveted QTE events, which many gamers swear is a PLAUGE on gaming? How would that impress me?
I'm sorry, but after seeing that video, I'm only MORE convinced this is a game that is gambling on its own hype and media attention alone rather than actual merit... I'm not accusing it to be bad, maybe I'd love the game if I tried it, but objectively I don't see why anyone who isn't wearing pink nostalgia fanboy glasses would EVER consider this over a faithful revival of metroidvania based on the advertisment, hype, and possibly previous experience alone...previous experience is in fact a GOOD reason to prefer it, but like I said, if I didn't know the game, I can't imagine how more people than castlevania could do so, seriously... that's like expecting suikoden, as good a game it is, to have a bigger fanbase than super effing mario.
edit: not that I'm saying more support wont happen, I'm worried it WILL happen, I'll just be upset that it will, and I don't mean offense by that, like I said, it may very well be an amazing game, I really don't know. I just think that if it somehow gets more support than BS, it wont be from merit alone.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 18, 2015 2:43:21 GMT -6
I said it before and I'll say it again, if shenmue gets more I'll be downright offended. Someone showed me a video in an effort to help me understand why it should possibly get more support. But what I saw had no gameplay at all, just cutscene... I suspect they expected me to be impressed that the cutscenes were using in-game models and animations rather than some FMV or something, which is in fact unique for its time but...uhh...Those kinds of features are the kinds of features AAA developers who care more about credit and less than actual gameplay try to convince is important than the actual game... As for gameplay, I know nothing other than it inveted QTE events, which many gamers swear is a PLAUGE on gaming? How would that impress me? I'm sorry, but after seeing that video, I'm only MORE convinced this is a game that is gambling on its own hype and media attention alone rather than actual merit... I'm not accusing it to be bad, maybe I'd love the game if I tried it, but objectively I don't see why anyone who isn't wearing pink nostalgia fanboy glasses would EVER consider this over a faithful revival of metroidvania based on the advertisment, hype, and possibly previous experience alone...previous experience is in fact a GOOD reason to prefer it, but like I said, if I didn't know the game, I can't imagine how more people than castlevania could do so, seriously... that's like expecting suikoden, as good a game it is, to have a bigger fanbase than super effing mario. edit: not that I'm saying more support wont happen, I'm worried it WILL happen, I'll just be upset that it will, and I don't mean offense by that, like I said, it may very well be an amazing game, I really don't know. I just think that if it somehow gets more support than BS, it wont be from merit alone. In other words, you think your favorite genre of games is better than other people's favorite genre of games. Fair enough, but I find your stance to be the sort of "people can't like things I don't like" rhetoric that I find absolutely hilarious. You'll be offended? Really? Because other people like a thing and want to see it succeed? You do realize that there are people out there saying the exact same thing about Bloodstained, right? That it only got so much support because of nostalgia? |
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Post by Administrator on Jun 18, 2015 8:31:46 GMT -6
It's starting to sound a little tense between members. Maybe it's just the way I'm reading it.
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Post by iggyg85 on Jun 18, 2015 9:33:08 GMT -6
It's starting to sound a little tense between members. Maybe it's just the way I'm reading it. It's no SotN4Eva drama. I tried sticking up for that guy at first since he had mental issues, but he dug so many holes and pushed so many buttons that I'd wished he'd shut up and back silently. |
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Post by Administrator on Jun 18, 2015 9:54:29 GMT -6
I'm disappointed that Bloodstained will get passed up so soon, but people vote with their dollars. I'm just glad people are passionate enough about the games they love that they will go to great lengths to support them.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 18, 2015 9:59:51 GMT -6
The whole "I'm offended" thing is kind of a sore point for me because I just got done having to deal with that nonsense from people who were going on about that sort of thing with Bloodstained because they believed that Torment was the One True Game, and that Castlevania was just a pointless platformer with no real storytelling behind it. Having to hear the same crap on this side of the fence is a bit grating.
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Post by Administrator on Jun 18, 2015 10:11:01 GMT -6
That's understandable. Let's be respectful of one another. You can state your point without directly calling someone out about the way something makes them feel. Let's focus on more positive subjects. I think I'll abandon thread. I'm not interested in Shenmue.  |
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Post by H on Jun 18, 2015 11:45:21 GMT -6
Even if Shenmue surpasses us, I'm still happy that we got as far as we did with just our passion towards this game and the creative campaign behind it. I'm sure The Bloodstained campaign will hold warmer memories for us than this new one, and it's a win-win either way because both fans of Shenmue and Igavania will get new games. ROTN's campaign was really fun, brought us all together on a forum like this, and I'm pretty grateful for that. I don't feel it's healthy to put this new campaign down to just defend our position as #1, but to promote and help talented developers to bring that community together and create the games they want with their help (like Igarashi stated in yesterday's interview).
I never heard of Shenmue before E3, but I am happy for those fans who have been waiting a long time for it.
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Post by jim on Jun 18, 2015 11:56:37 GMT -6
True.  In the end it matters little much if they do pass us in funding. |
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 18, 2015 13:08:30 GMT -6
I should have posted this video earlier. Shenmue 3 Hype!
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Post by ghaleon on Jun 18, 2015 17:58:07 GMT -6
I said it before and I'll say it again, if shenmue gets more I'll be downright offended. Someone showed me a video in an effort to help me understand why it should possibly get more support. But what I saw had no gameplay at all, just cutscene... I suspect they expected me to be impressed that the cutscenes were using in-game models and animations rather than some FMV or something, which is in fact unique for its time but...uhh...Those kinds of features are the kinds of features AAA developers who care more about credit and less than actual gameplay try to convince is important than the actual game... As for gameplay, I know nothing other than it inveted QTE events, which many gamers swear is a PLAUGE on gaming? How would that impress me? I'm sorry, but after seeing that video, I'm only MORE convinced this is a game that is gambling on its own hype and media attention alone rather than actual merit... I'm not accusing it to be bad, maybe I'd love the game if I tried it, but objectively I don't see why anyone who isn't wearing pink nostalgia fanboy glasses would EVER consider this over a faithful revival of metroidvania based on the advertisment, hype, and possibly previous experience alone...previous experience is in fact a GOOD reason to prefer it, but like I said, if I didn't know the game, I can't imagine how more people than castlevania could do so, seriously... that's like expecting suikoden, as good a game it is, to have a bigger fanbase than super effing mario. edit: not that I'm saying more support wont happen, I'm worried it WILL happen, I'll just be upset that it will, and I don't mean offense by that, like I said, it may very well be an amazing game, I really don't know. I just think that if it somehow gets more support than BS, it wont be from merit alone. In other words, you think your favorite genre of games is better than other people's favorite genre of games. Fair enough, but I find your stance to be the sort of "people can't like things I don't like" rhetoric that I find absolutely hilarious. You'll be offended? Really? Because other people like a thing and want to see it succeed? You do realize that there are people out there saying the exact same thing about Bloodstained, right? That it only got so much support because of nostalgia? I don't mean to re-quote myself but I'm having a hard time deleting it without deleting yours too, sorry... Anyway, your 'other words' aren't even remotely close to what I was saying or conveying, in other words. it's a strawman.. please re-read this blurb that you quoted: "I'm not accusing it to be bad, maybe I'd love the game if I tried it" I meant that, nowhere did I say my taste was better, and I in fact said that I might even like it myself if I tried it. However I don't know enough about the game to judge, but when inquiring about it, all I was exposed to was something with absolutely no gameplay at all, it makes me wonder how much of the love for this game is actually due to it being a good GAME. I even compared it to suikoden in a comparison with super mario, I say this as someone who actually isn't that interested in super mario, and who likes suikoden. I wasn't insulting the game or its userbase in the slightest. |
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