inherit
102
0
Jun 10, 2020 7:06:33 GMT -6
24
alexcalvo
29
Jun 12, 2015 22:45:53 GMT -6
June 2015
alexcalvo
|
Post by alexcalvo on Dec 9, 2015 13:27:06 GMT -6
I'm just curious about opinions, but do you guys think that Bloodstained would have been so successful if Konami hadn't been having such pr nightmares? Iga became something of a symbol for the "good" side in that whole debacle, the artistic game designer versus the profit obsessed suits. Given everything going on at the time with Kojima, how it paralleled Iga's experiences and just Konami's general madness is it possible that Konami unintentionally helped Bloodstained become what it has? And if yes, do you think Iga and co took advantage of the timing purposefully?
|
|
inherit
843
0
Sept 23, 2019 11:30:03 GMT -6
194
allooutrick
334
Oct 21, 2015 14:22:26 GMT -6
October 2015
allooutrick
|
Post by allooutrick on Dec 9, 2015 14:16:54 GMT -6
Bloodstained probably wouldn't exist if Konami didn't lose it's mind. As you put it they, at their core, are all about profits. They need to be certain that what they're investing millions of dollars into will make a profit and metroidvania's aren't seen as something profitable anymore (though that may change with the wake up call that was the Kickstarter for Bloodstained). In this interview Koji Igarashi talks about many things, including his story of trying conventional methods to get Bloodstained to be made a reality:
|
|
ChucklesTheJester
Ancient Legion
[TI0] How many nuns would a nunchuck chuck if a nunchuck could chuck nuns?
Posts: 430
inherit
163
0
Jun 19, 2018 7:39:07 GMT -6
327
ChucklesTheJester
[TI0] How many nuns would a nunchuck chuck if a nunchuck could chuck nuns?
430
Jun 15, 2015 4:38:11 GMT -6
June 2015
chucklesthejester
|
Post by ChucklesTheJester on Dec 9, 2015 14:38:22 GMT -6
Short answer, yes.
|
|
inherit
243
0
1
Dec 4, 2019 15:51:08 GMT -6
208
Dangamer
36
Jul 9, 2015 17:41:53 GMT -6
July 2015
dangamer
|
Post by Dangamer on Dec 9, 2015 14:47:13 GMT -6
IGA never would have left if Konami hadn't done such a strange job of handling his career and the series he loved, but speaking from the campaign side I think it definitely didn't hurt to have them constantly reminding people of how bad things were there while we were launching the campaign.
|
|
inherit
205
0
1
Oct 16, 2019 18:36:27 GMT -6
1,635
crocodile
1,088
Jun 27, 2015 16:51:30 GMT -6
June 2015
crocodile
|
Post by crocodile on Dec 9, 2015 15:07:27 GMT -6
Absolutely it helped. Like 1000%. It helped with Mighty No 9 and Capcom as well as Yooka-Laylee and Rare/Microsoft. Spite is a powerful incentive to get people to contribute to a kick-starter if by doing so they think they will send a message of "screw you" to big publishers. Jim Sterling talks about it in his video of why he has backed some recent crowdfunding games he did. His sentiment of "screw Konami" with respect to Bloodstained is something I saw ALL OVER THE INTERNET at the time:
|
|
Ciel
Executor of the Church
Ancient Legion
じーっ
Posts: 853
inherit
Executor of the Church
171
0
Sept 25, 2023 14:37:47 GMT -6
694
Ciel
じーっ
853
Jun 17, 2015 22:18:47 GMT -6
June 2015
krion
|
Post by Ciel on Dec 9, 2015 15:39:23 GMT -6
I think it's obvious.
*Konami does something stupid*
Fans: OH SHIT, STUPID KONAMI, WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT? GOD DAMMIT
*Bloodstained appears, appealing to the Castlevania audience*
Castlevania fans: GOD BLESS BLOOSTAINED AND IGA, OUR SAVIOR.
It happened like that.
|
|
inherit
566
0
Feb 13, 2019 16:12:32 GMT -6
124
Valtiel
127
Aug 15, 2015 17:25:51 GMT -6
August 2015
valtiel86
|
Post by Valtiel on Dec 9, 2015 16:57:31 GMT -6
Konami's recent shenanigans are the only reason this was so successful. If they hadn't run the Castlevania franchise (and nearly every other franchise they own) into the ground Iga would like have likely never left and we'd still be getting Castlevania games.
|
|
inherit
473
0
Sept 11, 2019 21:43:33 GMT -6
1,266
Goobsausage
1,369
Jul 30, 2015 13:50:49 GMT -6
July 2015
unclstv
|
Post by Goobsausage on Dec 9, 2015 17:43:31 GMT -6
I don't think launching the campaign when it did was intentional due to how much planning was involved and all the time IGA spent talking to publishers, but the timing was perfect.
I'd say the "screw you" factor played a big part of Bloodstained's successful campaign, especially with the lack of IGAvanias, David Hayter being a stretch goal, and P.T.'s cancellation being fresh in everyone's minds. It was a good way for people to vote with their dollars/put their money where their mouth is. Nothing brings people together like finding out they're annoyed or frustrated with the same things.
|
|
Zechs
Loyal Familiar
Posts: 167
inherit
857
0
Jun 20, 2019 8:47:12 GMT -6
100
Zechs
167
Nov 1, 2015 1:47:47 GMT -6
November 2015
zechs
|
Post by Zechs on Dec 9, 2015 19:04:26 GMT -6
I think fans kind of understand Iga-san's bitterness towards Konami. And loyal Iga-san fans have continued to follow him after learning he was departing ways with Konami.
Now recently, with Kojima-san, it was remeniscient but still different enough to effect this Kickstarter a bit. Not a great bit due to timing. But with Iga-san's bitterness showing in his pitch video he made, it was clear it was in spite of Konami. Which I feel increased the backlash on Kojima-san's behalf more than the reverse.
But that is just me.
|
|
inherit
963
0
Jun 18, 2017 8:23:06 GMT -6
141
LunaClefairy
93
Dec 9, 2015 8:10:26 GMT -6
December 2015
lunaclefairy
|
Post by LunaClefairy on Dec 9, 2015 19:35:35 GMT -6
I personally backed Bloodstained not due to any animosity, but because I was genuinely interested in the project. Although I admit the Gunvolt references were what convinced me to fork over my money; I love that game.
I haven't bought anything from Konami in a very long time so I have no strong feelings toward them. However, I do believe the overall animosity toward Konami played a big role in the Bloodstained campaign's success.
|
|
inherit
473
0
Sept 11, 2019 21:43:33 GMT -6
1,266
Goobsausage
1,369
Jul 30, 2015 13:50:49 GMT -6
July 2015
unclstv
|
Post by Goobsausage on Dec 9, 2015 23:15:14 GMT -6
I personally backed Bloodstained not due to any animosity, but because I was genuinely interested in the project. Although I admit the Gunvolt references were what convinced me to fork over my money; I love that game. I haven't bought anything from Konami in a very long time so I have no strong feelings toward them. However, I do believe the overall animosity toward Konami played a big role in the Bloodstained campaign's success. That's a good attitude to have. If you throw money at something just to send an angry message and aren't actually looking forward to it, you're just wasting money.
|
|
inherit
102
0
Jun 10, 2020 7:06:33 GMT -6
24
alexcalvo
29
Jun 12, 2015 22:45:53 GMT -6
June 2015
alexcalvo
|
Post by alexcalvo on Dec 11, 2015 7:48:55 GMT -6
So given that basically everyone agrees on this, how successful do you think Bloodstained would have been if konami hadn't been so reviled at the time? I'm sure it still would have been funded... but I doubt it would have made it much past the 2 million mark.
|
|
inherit
566
0
Feb 13, 2019 16:12:32 GMT -6
124
Valtiel
127
Aug 15, 2015 17:25:51 GMT -6
August 2015
valtiel86
|
Post by Valtiel on Dec 11, 2015 8:46:19 GMT -6
So given that basically everyone agrees on this, how successful do you think Bloodstained would have been if konami hadn't been so reviled at the time? I'm sure it still would have been funded... but I doubt it would have made it much past the 2 million mark. I'm not sure. I definitely would have still contributed because I love Iga's Castlevania games and the Lords of Shadow sequels apparently killed the series (I liked the original though). But it seems obvious the game wouldn't have pulled in quite as much money had Konami not gone off a cliff. It pains me that my once favorite publisher has fallen so far.
|
|
purifyweirdshard
Administrator
Administrator
Calling from Heaven
Posts: 3,789
Staff Mini-Profile Theme: Example 2
inherit
Administrator
210
0
1
Nov 22, 2024 16:16:48 GMT -6
3,660
purifyweirdshard
Calling from Heaven
3,789
Jun 29, 2015 7:24:38 GMT -6
June 2015
purifyweirdsoul
Staff Mini-Profile Theme: Example 2
|
Post by purifyweirdshard on Dec 11, 2015 8:54:15 GMT -6
Well, if Konami hadn't have gone down this path, Bloodstained as a project likely wouldn't have been necessitated and we'd still potentially have Koji Igarashi Castlevania games. The decisions that they've made in the last several years brought us here. It's more like a cause than a contributing factor, even.
|
|
inherit
102
0
Jun 10, 2020 7:06:33 GMT -6
24
alexcalvo
29
Jun 12, 2015 22:45:53 GMT -6
June 2015
alexcalvo
|
Post by alexcalvo on Dec 11, 2015 9:34:47 GMT -6
But there is certainly a difference here. I am not talking about Konami booting Iga from the series, as for most gamers that didn't really ruffle many feathers, in fact there was a sizable group in support of it. I think Bloodstained would have been developed regardless because Iga just had to get back to gothic action games. Konami really didn't go so crazy until a little bit after, at least in the eyes of the general gaming public. It wasn't really until right around the launch of the kickstarter that things started to crumble for them... silent hills cancelation, Kojima being ostracized, statements about mobile gaming focus, ridiculous working conditions etc etc... Those were what pissed most gamers off, not so much the specific treatment of Castlevania and Iga.
|
|
inherit
925
0
Jun 6, 2018 19:05:04 GMT -6
94
GenericSoda
86
Dec 4, 2015 23:38:39 GMT -6
December 2015
genericsoda
|
Post by GenericSoda on Dec 11, 2015 15:31:21 GMT -6
If I recall correctly, IGA doesn't hold any kind of animosity towards Konami based off of interviews, questions, and the like. IGA's experience working on smartphone games were his own choice as well, but I can't say anything else about the circumstances of him leaving Konami.
I really feel like Mighty no. 9 kickstarted (boooo) a boom in crowd-funded games to bring back abandoned game ideas. Bloodstained dropped around the same time as Yooka-Laylee, so some of that fervor carried over to Bloodstained. I backed Bloodstained because I find Lord of Shadows to be incredibly mediocre in the gameplay department, and since the traditional Castlevania subgenres (IGAVania and ClassicVania) ended on a high note with Order of Ecclesia and Adventure Rebirth respectively, I really hoped that a lot of the experiences that made these games my favorites in the series would be carried over to Bloodstained along with the inventiveness and audacity that made SotN what it was.
|
|
bloodstainedmiriam
Ancient Legion
[TI0]Hear me, Dracula! I am the morning sun coming to vanquish this horrible night!
Posts: 318
inherit
47
0
Mar 13, 2018 17:48:04 GMT -6
257
bloodstainedmiriam
[TI0]Hear me, Dracula! I am the morning sun coming to vanquish this horrible night!
318
Jun 9, 2015 17:08:29 GMT -6
June 2015
bloodstainedmiriam
|
Post by bloodstainedmiriam on Dec 11, 2015 16:21:38 GMT -6
I would have backed Bloodstained regardless but I'm pretty sure if Konami was acting normally around the time of the campaign the game would still have been funded but probably not hit as many stretch goals.
|
|
inherit
Worm Demon
219
0
Mar 12, 2021 6:12:17 GMT -6
175
spideryfingers
194
Jun 30, 2015 16:27:05 GMT -6
June 2015
spideryfingers
|
Post by spideryfingers on Dec 11, 2015 16:35:17 GMT -6
Konami the caterpillar. Crazy the chrysalis. Bloodstained the butterfly.
|
|
inherit
476
0
Oct 29, 2019 12:44:17 GMT -6
34
Everett Spair
[TI1]
32
Jul 31, 2015 15:03:08 GMT -6
July 2015
everettspair
|
Post by Everett Spair on Dec 11, 2015 16:54:25 GMT -6
I backed because I love the metroidvania style gameplay and wanted more of it. I'm really glad I heard about the kickstarter so I had the chance to be a part of it. I hadn't even thought about the timing of Konamis downfall and this kickstarter until I read this thread but thinking about it I'm sure it helped getting people to invest money in Bloodstained.
|
|
inherit
22
0
Aug 10, 2019 9:52:39 GMT -6
308
ghaleon
611
May 29, 2015 8:48:14 GMT -6
May 2015
ghaleon
|
Post by ghaleon on Dec 12, 2015 4:57:57 GMT -6
I dunno, I find it kinda sad if people really feel like they had no interest in supporting BS if Konami wasn't being a derp. I know I would have wanted to support it either way. I mean I know that's something to say or consider, but how many people REALLY can say 'I wouldn't be interested in BS if it wasn't for konami"? I hope very few.
|
|