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Post by Kitti_W on Dec 13, 2015 2:30:46 GMT -6
Surprise! Iga may come out to announce that Bloodstained will take a u-turn to be 3D gameplay like Lords of Shadow. Just kidding. Don't kill me. XD I know you're joking because you mean to tease people who are opposed to 3d who wanted 2d...but May I kill you because I like lament of innocence and curse of darkness alot but cared not for lords of shadow and used LoS as your definitive 3d castlevania? GRRRR, MURDER!!! GRAWRR. Lament of Innocence was also one of my favorites. Especially the music. XD Curse of Darkness is the most fun-to-play 3D castlevania. I miss the bone familiar.
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Post by ghaleon on Dec 13, 2015 2:42:31 GMT -6
I remember back before LoS1 was out and it was announced as a reboot and all... the fans' biggest complaint was it was 3d instead of 2d, and that previous castlevania 3d games sucked... annoyed me so much because the 2 ps2 3d games were effing awsome... So I was having high hopes for LoS!... but... I really didn't like it despite how much I love the ps2 Castlevanias.
Such a complicated subject. makes me sad... kill all the plebs... sigh...the fools. yeah... *mopes*... can't be enthusiastic or maniacal because...because... sigh...
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Post by JoJo on Dec 13, 2015 3:07:13 GMT -6
I will be on the Orthographic Projection as I want to see those beautiful background that IGA has created But I want to have the feeling of the 3D like Guilty Gear Xrd as well I hope I don't asked too much
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Post by ghaleon on Dec 13, 2015 3:20:20 GMT -6
I will be on the Orthographic Projection as I want to see those beautiful background that IGA has created But I want to have the feeling of the 3D like Guilty Gear Xrd as well I hope I don't asked too much Did you read every post this thread? if not I'm not trying to shame you because I myself don't read every post in a thread that are multiple pages long once I notice em, I tend to reply only to the original post, and I don't think that's 'wrong'... I just want to know your opinion accurately before I try to respond to it. But yeah, the reason why I ask because your statement makes little statement to me compared to my own opinion. I mean I know they can be different and all but I honestly don't get how you can say such... to me projection cameras 'show' more background.. it lets you see the floors so much better, and as I said, it lets you see things like how light travels thru stained glass and illuminates the ground better (which is literally an understatement because orthographic can hide the ground completely). Fact is I completely agree with the 'dollhouse' comment, I can completely see how projection cameras make the player feel like an observer to a dollhouse... if you can't look past that, THAT I can understand, buth otherwise, objectively, I honestly can't see how orthographic can show more at all!
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Post by JoJo on Dec 13, 2015 3:39:53 GMT -6
I will be on the Orthographic Projection as I want to see those beautiful background that IGA has created But I want to have the feeling of the 3D like Guilty Gear Xrd as well I hope I don't asked too much Did you read every post this thread? if not I'm not trying to shame you because I myself don't read every post in a thread that are multiple pages long once I notice em, I tend to reply only to the original post, and I don't think that's 'wrong'... I just want to know your opinion accurately before I try to respond to it. But yeah, the reason why I ask because your statement makes little statement to me compared to my own opinion. I mean I know they can be different and all but I honestly don't get how you can say such... to me projection cameras 'show' more background.. it lets you see the floors so much better, and as I said, it lets you see things like how light travels thru stained glass and illuminates the ground better (which is literally an understatement because orthographic can hide the ground completely). Fact is I completely agree with the 'dollhouse' comment, I can completely see how projection cameras make the player feel like an observer to a dollhouse... if you can't look past that, THAT I can understand, buth otherwise, objectively, I honestly can't see how orthographic can show more at all! I think I read it wrong already when I made my statement that orthographic can show more
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Post by ghaleon on Dec 13, 2015 5:37:31 GMT -6
'blah'? who said that? *scratches head* I hope I didn't because I certainly never THOUGHT thus!... that's the reason why I think projective has more POTENTIAL (but not neccesarily better in practice), because it CAN show more (potentially), like... for example... the floor's decor thru a window's art. Orthographic ideally makes the floor the flat dimension, preventing you from seeing anything on the floor.
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Post by fatsnake on Dec 13, 2015 7:42:27 GMT -6
Sun of May Did you play Dracula X Chronicles? That had really good 2.5D Castlevania action. I'd like to know your opinion on that game. I am a die-heart Igavania gamefan, I find DCX 's graphic really really bad, that was the reason that I didn't pledge at first when bloodstained announced to be 2.5D, then I saw the developmental video which is fantastic.........Now I hope /suggest that IGA could give us the option in the actual game menu to change from one viewing angle to another, I mean , it should be very easy to do such mechanics, since they just need to tilt the camera slightly. Btw the perspective picture u made looks stunning!!Keep on the good work man!
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Post by supersoup27 on Dec 13, 2015 10:23:22 GMT -6
While it probably would be possible to have the game's perspective as a choosable option, it wouldn't be as simple as changing the tilt of the camera. To do this, each area would have to be designed for each possible perspective.
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Dec 13, 2015 10:30:59 GMT -6
Unfortunately I do not have time to sit through it and find exactly when he said it, but I believe during the 8 hour launch Stream IGA mentioned a lot of "neat tricks" he'd like to try with the game being 2.5D instead of traditional 2D.
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Post by CastleDan on Dec 13, 2015 14:09:13 GMT -6
It doesn't need to show more. Did it hold back the 2d vanias? The 3d games have potential to show way more but they were always the worst IGAVANIAS. What matters is what captures the essence of Igavania better and the closer to 2d it is the Better they always do.
That doesn't mean they can't hit a middle ground. Lessen the tilt a great deal make it have less of a dollhouse look and give it just enough tilt to feel the extra piece of dimension
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Post by Valtiel on Dec 13, 2015 19:19:37 GMT -6
Ciel I don't know, they may be able to, but I would imagine there would be reasons. I think this shader update has been the best update yet. It has reminded me though that you can't please everyone. I'm going to have to get used to people being angry about the game and choosing how I let it affect me. I feel bad when someone doesn't like something about the game, but it's just gonna happen. Wait, people are actually getting angry over this? I mean, we all have our preferences. It's only natural. But this isn't the kind of thing to get too upset over. Now, if this ends up playing like Mirror of Fate (which I didn't hate, but it's nnot the kind of game I want Bloodstained to be) or something then I'll be upset.
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Post by XombieMike on Dec 13, 2015 19:23:35 GMT -6
Yes, the kickstarter comments got at least two people being pretty upset about it. The poll here on the forums show that three people so far think that perspective would ruin the game for them. Obviously these are the extreme edge cases, however that same poll shows that although there are plenty of people that like both, ortho is the most popular preference. Fortunately, many people trust IGA and whatever his vision is. It's the kickstarter comments that had me making this poll in the first place. I was worried that it would make many people upset after reading those few comments.
I'm good now... I'm good.
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Post by Valtiel on Dec 13, 2015 19:28:32 GMT -6
I think as long as the game looks and (more importantly) plays well it will win many of the naysayers over, regardless of which perspective it uses. Once some gameplay footage and especially the beta make their way out people's fears will be quelled. Unless the devs really screw up, that is. If that happens I'm running for cover.
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Post by Cale on Dec 13, 2015 20:19:32 GMT -6
As of right now, I am one of those 3 where perspective projection would ruin it for me. But like Valtiel says, if the game plays well, I will still be okay with it.
But what can I say? The heart wants what the heart wants.
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Post by XombieMike on Dec 13, 2015 20:26:59 GMT -6
Cale, we know what you want...
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Post by Goobsausage on Dec 13, 2015 22:32:17 GMT -6
Cale , we know what you want... (Neat fanart cut for size issues) That's something I think would look really cool with perspective projection. It reminds me of the green eel and rooster enemies from Banjo-Kazooie that popped out to attack the player.
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Post by Ciel on Dec 14, 2015 14:08:05 GMT -6
Cale , we know what you want... *image* Even I want that.
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Post by Cale on Dec 14, 2015 17:09:26 GMT -6
Cale , we know what you want... XombieMike That. Is. Glorious. Well now I got a new Desktop picture! Wow!
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Post by Astaroth on Dec 14, 2015 17:15:56 GMT -6
That would make for a really nice boss fight, and a massive frame with ortho panels to allow the boss to slip in and out of different parts of an illusory 2d object could really keep the player on their toes
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Post by Jango on Dec 18, 2015 5:41:17 GMT -6
I'd say it's safe to assume the devs will implement a non-static camera. A static camera in a 2.5d game almost defeats the purpose. I expect the camera will shift to suit each area's needs and highlight what the devs want you to pay attention to. And we're not talking just the height and tilt of the camera, but also the cam's z axis position. Moving closer or farther is another great way to highlight what the player needs to do, or even just something like pulling the cam way back to show an epic vista or something.
Yeah, a static camera would eliminate a lot of options and opportunities that a 2.5d game offers.
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