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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 22:05:22 GMT -6
SOTN did not shy away from male and female depictions of nudity in it's enemy designs or even the structure of the castle itself. Statues were either partially nude (pillars in the shape of women or with statues of women attached to them) and even fully naked male body statues in the teleport or hallway transition rooms.
Many enemy designs were naked as well. Some were visible like the Une types, and Shades, but some where more silhouette like the semi invisible women who would appear and disapear slowly, and were armed with a sword. I believe the succubus boss in Alucard dream was partially naked as well.
I am sure there are others I am forgetting, but Iga/castlevania has never shied away from nude content decor or enemy designs in Castlevania, and I do not think he should now.
Only creature I know of that is naked in Bloodstained is the boat boss, right? Has any other nude forms in enemy designs or background architecture been shown off either in game or concept art?
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Post by OwloftheNight98 on Jun 5, 2019 22:19:41 GMT -6
Unless they do something akin to Vepar(nude body, no nipples or crotch) I don't think much seeing as SotN was pixelated thus harder to see such stuff. Bloodstained on the other hand is 3D meaning that designs are bit more detailed. But something tells me the game at some point will make me eat my words. And cross a line I didn't think it had the guts to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 22:22:43 GMT -6
Yeah those male statues in SOTN were completely nude, right down to well, you know. They had spears in their hands and helmets on. It was like Greek nudity, so ultimately harmless, but you could definately tell at just a glance.
I like that old greek style art anyway, and it's gothic horror so it seems like they go hand in hand. Sort of an elegant tasteful nude art instead of the kinda things people would perv out to.
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Post by OwloftheNight98 on Jun 5, 2019 22:43:36 GMT -6
Yeah those male statues in SOTN were completely nude, right down to well, you know. They had spears in their hands and helmets on. It was like Greek nudity, so ultimately harmless, but you could definately tell at just a glance. I like that old greek style art anyway, and it's gothic horror so it seems like they go hand in hand. Sort of an elegant tasteful nude art instead of the kinda things people would perv out to. The Greek art style would look beautiful as a background for one of the more important rooms of the castle, maybe for like a boss with specific aesthetic or even a whole area with a greek theme- I mean they have a Japanese-themed area why not one more? Also off topic, I wonder where the term perv first came from?
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Post by dareka on Jun 6, 2019 0:10:10 GMT -6
I would personally love to see some tasteful nudity in the game: it just meshes so well with the gothic horror vibe, and makes the whole thing look, well, more European...which in this case is a good thing. Unfortunately, the game rating only mentions Vepar and Bloodless as " partial nudes" (noting that Vepar has no discernible nipples!), so that means that's about all there is in the game. Yeah, I remember SotN's Spartan statues and the succubus that forgot her underwear (as succubi, and no doubt incubi are wont to), but low-res pixel nudity is a lot more acceptable than high-res polygonal nudity... Hopefully there'll be more opportunity to explore this artistic venue in the future (i.e. sequels). OwloftheNight98 According to merriam-webster, the first recorded use of perv in the sense of " sexual pervert" dates from 1948. The first known use of the term was in the 14th century, with the first use of pervert in the sexual sense dating to 1501. It comes from Middle English, from Anglo-French purvertir, pervertir, from Latin pervertere to overturn, corrupt, pervert, from per- thoroughly + vertere to turn.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 0:28:27 GMT -6
^I don't think I could have said any of that better myself. I do hope they include some greek like architecture as well, though. Some of those backgrounds look like they stretch off in the distance quite a ways, so having a statue against a pillar off in the distance, or a cherub in a fountain does not seem a big deal to me. or invisible enemies that have outlines clearly hinting at a nude form, but no detail because it's just shadow and whatnot. I do not remember the name of the female enemies in SOTN, I did not know there was a wiki (No images) about it, with examples across the series castlevania.fandom.com/wiki/NudityThis was the invisible female enemies I was referring to, they always felt like they were naked to me. Maybe that was the intent behind it? castlevania.fandom.com/wiki/Nemesis
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Post by ReySol on Jun 6, 2019 6:11:18 GMT -6
I really like having Greek style naked statues in Igavanias, and I was hoping to see it in Bloodstained. It was embarrassing when they gave pants to the werewolf boss in PSP Rondo remake (The Dracula X Chronicles).
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Post by Brainiac on Jun 6, 2019 6:54:21 GMT -6
Given the T rating, I'd say it will be minimal.
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Post by freddythemonkey on Jun 6, 2019 8:04:30 GMT -6
Unfortunately in this case they want to appeal to a sizeable audience so I think nudity will be kept to a minimum, even though the setting would make some nudity perfectly at home. Imo everyone should be able to make the game they want, with nudity and even adult content if they so desire and it's beneficial to the tone/setting/whatever. Not to say that every game must be a porn game, but sometimes, nudity and sex do fit (well, sex doesn't in Bloodstained's specific case but now I'm talking in general) and in general I find the obsession of censoring nudity and sex over extreme violence nonsensical. But I do understand that the way business works may penalize your reach if you have sensitive content in your game.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jun 6, 2019 8:27:53 GMT -6
Wow. This is something I absolutely didn't even begin to start to approach to initiate to set about to commence to undertake to lead off to inaugurate to embark on kicking off consideration of.
I must be getting old.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jun 6, 2019 8:49:42 GMT -6
Pixelated nudity is a lot different than "3D" nudity, which is approaching more "actual" nudity. A 2D pixel image only has one viewing angle, one level of zoom, and yet multiple possible interpretations and more likely to be ignored. This is a more bold example than necessary, but say if you had something like a cherub (naked young child angel) in an older 2D game, that's pretty much innocent and fine - the way that they're drawn and presented are always in the artist's control in-game because the player has no input otherwise to see it differently. Naked child in a full 3D game with multiple options to view it and manipulation of the assets - not as much of a good idea. This can and does extend to anything else - higher fidelity and more ways to consume and manipulate the content means that the 90s' game nudity isn't 2019's. Some might call it censorship, but it can just as well be an artist's choice of taste and how they want their content to be perceived.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jun 6, 2019 9:10:17 GMT -6
Flying, fat babies with weapons just got more disturbing.
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Post by OwloftheNight98 on Jun 6, 2019 14:26:04 GMT -6
Flying, fat babies with weapons just got more disturbing. I... did not need that image in 3D visuals. Aah, now I can't unsee it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 14:26:46 GMT -6
^yeah we can skip that one.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jun 6, 2019 14:28:19 GMT -6
it's my fault here's a distracting image
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jun 6, 2019 14:29:38 GMT -6
THAT'S IT! WE'LL USE DONUTS TO CENSOR THE GAME.
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Post by Ciel on Jun 6, 2019 17:03:36 GMT -6
Flying, fat babies with weapons just got more disturbing. That's honestly an awesome idea for a creepy-horror game enemy.
On topic, it's a shame nudity is still a taboo in videogames in the west, given how live action series have full blown nudity and sex scenes, and somehow things are getting worse for japanese games because of some policies recently adopted by Sony PlayStation (which is now an american controlled division, since 2017) and their platform. Regardless, I hope IGA and his team of artists haven't felt the need to tone down nudity to uphold some "west standards" that a group of said "journalists" are trying to force down our throats. This really is a tiresome subject.
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Post by freddythemonkey on Jun 6, 2019 17:16:13 GMT -6
I may sound like a perverted/horny fellow, but personally speaking I started dating my girlfriend almost three years ago and since then I'm far more open towards sex and nudity in my media (comics, animation, video games, everything) and I appreciate them a lot more in general. Sex, sexuality and the naked human body are, in my opinion, things so beautiful and natural that I'm almost offended they often tend to be considered obscene, in certain medias such as games more than in others.
On one hand I tend to appreciate the eye-candy more, sure, but that doesn't mean that I always dig pointless fanservice; in fact I feel like certain stories could really benefit from an in-depth look on the subject of sexuality/intimacy. Especially character driven stories with a romantic dimension, in that case intimacy gives an extra layer of depth and reality to the whole character dynamics. Again, I don't mean that EVERY story or EVERY piece of media should feature naked ladies and sex everywhere, but as I said, those are beautiful things that I consider to be part of the human nature, so I'd like more creators to be able to see those as an additional tool to enrich their stories and make them more real and engrossing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 17:19:47 GMT -6
The last two posts in this topic said it far better than I ever could hope to. Thanks to both. freddythemonkey and ciel
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