Kickstarter Update #84 - Preorder, Modes, and Launch Update

I addressed that in my last reply. Pirating the game is not the same as having the other extra things readily available, like the OST. The two are not connected, so people can buy the game and get the extra stuff for free, due to their availability.

And I think you're a little exaggerating by saying the OST on Youtube wouldn't be comparable to the digital OST. Most people wouldn't notice a difference, honestly.

Let's be honest, quality is not the reason people buy music, most people do it to support their favorite artists/composers, and because services like iTunes/Spotify provide easy to manage playlists. Quality is just an extra feature, and it's hardly noticeable to most people. I have downloaded high quality soundtracks from Youtube, and I listen to many of them on my phone. Never had quality issues.

I'm not sure if the digital OST will be lossless, but if it is that's good. Still not something I would pay extra for, though. If I own the game, I have the right to listen to and download its soundtracks from the internet.

Well, we're not supposed to lie, yet everyone does it.
It's simply my belief that if I own a game, I should have the right to listen to its soundtracks, and what's the difference between listening and downloading the soundtrack? You download it to listen to it, so there's no difference in my book.
I can start the game that I own and listen to its soundtracks anytime I want, but having the soundtrack on my phone is simply more convenient, nothing more and nothing less.

As for quality, I have downloaded lossless soundtracks and I honestly never noticed any difference in quality that's worth mentioning. It's just not something that many people notice or care about.

You're basically saying what almost everyone has said that wants to defend 505 like they're your brother or something. I've heard this numerous times already. You are absolutely correct that by the loose and easy going nature of no consequences on kickstarter they can change their mind, it's a donation not an exact pre-order like you've said in essence and they have chosen to go that route. I have accepted that reality and learnt my lesson. It might be a small price to pay for them I know, but if they do make a future kickstarter again there is no incentive for me to back it, it's in my best interest to buy whatever I choose after it's available. I will also state my experience, my thoughts on this whole thing and anyone that never backed a project can weigh themselves the ups and downs and if the want to be treated like I and other backers were. That's all I can do at the end of the day, tell my experience like it is to any future backer of anything and it's up to them at that point. 505 brought this on themselves and it's a small price to pay if you ask me. I want to let the matter rest but you "defenders" really don't like the fact that if you're not unhappy then we shouldn't be either. You don't want any negative connotation, you want to convince people like me that what they've done is no problem but you cannot deny the facts. You don't have to tell that "backing is a gamble" like I didn't know what I was getting into. I'm a man that takes someone on their word. They did what they have to do to increase the chances of the game being hit, good on them and I'll do what I have to do that's good for me. You can't have it both ways. This isn't the only issue, and in fact it's a small one compared to what more overseas backers like me will have to deal with. With the shipment changing from 1 to at least 3 it makes things complicated with import fees and custom charges and I have no clue how this is going to be handled by 505 or fangamer. You could say that's another promise that was broken, they could have waited one or two months more if they weren't ready, hardly makes a difference at this point but the agenda to make the game a hit naturally will have to take priority. I hope they prove me wrong because I don't want to lose money for nothing I've already paid $365 but so far I haven't received any answer from fangamer or 505.

That's another good way to put it.

Where's the logic in this? I own the game and can listen to its soundtracks any time I want, yet I can't listen to it on my phone?

I can go on Youtube and listen to the soundtracks (that were ripped from the game that I own), but if I download it I am doing an act of piracy, despite my reason for downloading it is so I can listen to it.

"You can listen to it, but you can't listen to it that way"

This is such a non-issue, but some people like to create an issue out of nothing.

I don't agree with the analogy here, as it's different from what I'm saying completely.
Listening to the OST of a game you own is like buying a picture book and looking up clean images of the book's pictures online. You can easily take a picture of your picture book with your phone's camera and edit the text out, or if you have a printer, you can print the pictures yourself, but you simply chose to save a bit of time by looking up clean images of your picture book that have the text edited out. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Likewise, you can easily record the soundtracks of the game you own and listen to them, but you chose to save a bit of time by looking them up online. It's the same thing. The company doesn't lose anything by me going online and listening to the soundtrack of their game (that I bought) instead of recording them myself and listening to them.

No, I'm not saying people shouldn't buy the soundtracks separately, I'm saying it's not required. People should only buy the soundtracks of their games (or other media) if they feel like it, they shouldn't feel obliged to do that. As long as we're clear on that, we can move on.


The fact that I don't have a $150 headset is exactly why I don't notice or care about lossless quality in music, and I imagine the majority of people are in the same boat.

Mind you, I'm not completely against having a high quality headset, but right now, I'm just not interested. My phone's headphones do the job just fine.

No worries. I do think listening to the soundtrack on youtube and downloading it (from youtube) is the same thing, as long as your reason for downloading it is to listen to it and nothing else.

You could always record the soundtrack from in-game with a capture device and save it on your phone, and you're legally allowed to do that, as long as you only save it to listen to it. It's the same thing.

saberwolf94

"You're basically saying what almost everyone has said that wants to defend 505 like they're your brother or something."

I'm NOT defending and/or justifying 505 or Artplay actions, but my point is they didn't break any american law by making this decisions and last minute changes.

Because you didn't read my complete post, here's a summary of my wall of text:

"know 505 have committed a lot of mistakes, and the Mac/Linux situation was unfair, but that matter has already been addressed (and solved in a way) by the means of giving the affected the option to change the digital copy to physical (MAC/LINUX BACKERS ONLY), so they can sell it and get more money that they had been pledged, because of the exclusive physical swag."

"I am a backer too, ($125 tier), and I was affected with the Vita port cancellation (I bought a Vita specifically to play Bloodstained: RotN), but I'm not shouting: SCAM! LAWSUIT! LIARS! I WILL PIRATE YOUR GAME! I WILL NEVER BACK A IGA/505 GAME AGAIN! and so on, at the slightest provocation like some of the backers affected by the Mac/Linux/Vita, the FuturePak steel case and the DLC situation."

"Let me clear that I’m not defending 505 and/or ArtPlay actions, but I think some of the backers (fortunately, they are a very small vocal minority) are making a storm in a glass of water, and obviously I'm saying some of the backers, and not all of them, because there are well indented and reasonable arguments being said on the aforementioned platform, so this isn’t a call to censorship."

TL;DR

- The things as they are, What 505 was done was disappointing and unfair, but at least they are trying to solved this situation, and obviously I'm playing devil's advocate here.
- 505/ArtPlay didn't break any american laws.
- 505/ArtPlay aren't my brothers, nor my lovers, nor my husbandos, nor my gods, and I think marrying with a company is one for the stupidest things you can do.
- It's OK to be angry, upset, disappointed or been cautiously excited for the game.
- Obviously this is just my opinion and you can putting in the trash and burning with hellfire if you want, I really don't care at this point.