Kickstarter Update #84 - Preorder, Modes, and Launch Update

So it being added later diminishes the relevant value it has, as you're considering value only from the origin time of purchase? I can follow that better than the Schrodinger's CotM value I was looking at before.

One important thing that I don't think is pointed out often enough, too, is that the KS backing and window for purchase of the backer content etc was not open for just a 2-month exclusive window, but rather 3 full years. As it was, someone who jumped on in May 2015, the day the page launched, got the same deal as someone who waited to just before CotM came out May 2018. Their only loss would have been participation in backer exclusive activities before then. It kind of flies in the face of "I was here the earliest back then and deserve the most" at default of how it's always been.

edit: haha branac

Some random backer's thoughts on this matter.

Where to begin...... I have to admit my initial response was basically, wtf is this bullshit. I was promised exclusive content and I'm being cheated out of my investment. But the more I thought about it, the more wrong this sentiment seemed to me. I backed this game because I wanted to see a new Metroidvania, one of my favorite genres, and made by Igarashi himself no less! The idea that more people will get to enjoy all of it actually makes me happier. And I do get to keep one of the backer exclusive rewards, my name in the credits! That's a lot more special to me than keeping other people from having a weapon in the game. However, I am willing to admit that 60 dollar backers probably should feel a little cheated in all of this. It's not up to me, but if I were 505 I'd either offer a small refund to the 60 backers so they get the same price as everyone else, or a promise that all future dlc will be free to them (and all who backed in a higher tier than 60) when everyone else has to pay, that would be a fair shake. Oh and of course a guaranteed promise of future dlc beyond the kickstarter goals, because who wouldn't want that. As for the steel cases, I don't really have an opinion on those since they had nothing to do with the kickstarter in the first place. Just my 2 cents on the matter, feel free to agree, disagree, spit on my father's grave, whatever (please don't actually do that last one).

As I touched on earlier, you can be sure that most, if not all of these people, aren't actually missing the point. They're just being disingenuous because they want to defend the company at all costs, and there really is no defense for this false advertising. So they decide to resort to these strawman arguments and personal insults to make it seem right, which never works. If anything, it's further proof that the situation is wrong. It happened to the Mac/Linux backers. It happened when backers complained that Curse of the Moon codes were nowhere in sight while people that didn't back the project were playing. The community in general is just very biased. Which basically guarantees that 505 Games/ArtPlay will continue to make similar decisions in the future.

purifyweirdshard There has been no name calling in this thread so far, but Overlord mentioned Pure Miriam "throwing insults around" when all he did was call the people who were complaining about this situation petty and selfish.

Here's my reaction to all this as a backer, for what it's worth.

-I'm a $60 Physical Copy contributor. I think I'm getting a game, the sword-whip/IGA boss DLC, and the slipcase. But I noticed something about a digital soundtrack and special booklet for the Digital $60 tier. Is that included in the Physical as well?

-Not too surprised that the game won't be launching with all features and will go the Shovel Knight route. There's a part of me that is a bit disappointed, though, because that means the physical media will be incomplete and thus system or card memory space will have to be taken up with what could be significant downloads, which as I understand it, isn't ideal on Switch.

-Now that Classic Mode has been delayed, and in light of what Curse of the Moon accomplished, I have high hopes for this mode. It's really the only bonus mode I have significant interest in. Perhaps WayForward will handle it, since they have been wanting to work on a Castlevania game over the years. If it could be a mini-version of Super Castlevania IV in terms of the way the game plays with gap-swinging and such, the way that Curse of the Moon was a Dracula's Curse riff, that would be incredible.

-I'm all right with people having access to the backer DLC for a fee overall, but I think there maybe should have been an exclusivity window attached--a month at minimum, but three to six months being more fair. This is especially since there will be DLC in the future anyway, so it's not like non-backers will be dumping the game and won't be keyed into the idea of add-ons.

-It's not clear to me how big the sword-whip DLC will be. I mean, I always assumed it was a weapon and an extra room or two with a boss fight. But at $9.99, that sounds like another area of the castle to me.

-I'm curious what the general backer-exclusive slipcase will be like at this point. If it'll have art, or just be more of a plain iconography sort of thing.

-I'm wondering if any of the other promised musical contributors, like Jake Kaufman, are in the main game, or if they were for Curse of the Moon.

-The new trailer is pretty bland, but that's fine, because I don't want to know anything else important about this game. I'm already a backer and I'm already sold.
-The irony of all this for me is, as a Wii U (now Switch) backer, I'm going to be waiting a while to play this game. It coudn't be helped, but that's the consequence of losing the console support I backed on. My PC's not good enough to run it, PS5's too close to seriously invest in PS4 now (especially since it will reportedly be backwards compatible), and too many reports point to one or more Nintendo Switch hardware revisions happening by year's end (perhaps as soon as this summer) or early 2020, so I'm holding off on getting that console until its retail situation becomes clearer.

I'm not even sure why you think that was about you. Obviously each person/post speaks for itself, so unless anything is deleted, all anyone needs to do is read the thread.

"Petty, selfish, and self centered" are absolutely baseless insults directed towards anyone that isn't happy with the situation. I knew they were going to overlook it, but it's absolutely an insult, especially when you consider it's being said towards people that value honesty.

My impression that you were including me there comes from -


I'm one of the people who has engaged in defense/explaining things, so it would follow that if no potential defense exists, everything I've said includes the disingenuous, strawman/insults thing, knowing the point but damning it, etc.

Maybe you hadn't read my posts yet. In that case especially, telling me to "read the thread noob" is extra inappropriate.