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Post by exalt9 on Jun 3, 2018 0:11:44 GMT -6
Will the Steam Beta support Mac OS X and Linux?
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jun 3, 2018 0:58:27 GMT -6
Oh. It seems I shouldn't say anything about my ridiculously stupid point or defend myself on that eh. I suppose if I don't quote or tag Cranium it'll be fine for him. Nobody needs to stick up for me or anything like that, I'm not offended, but I do agree with gunlord's stance on things.
I would say that a weapon/boss being cut are potentially a big enough deal to make a negative impact on the game down the line. Locked content is never received well. I don't know to what extent this would cause problems, but I think it'd be a bigger deal than many of the things we're already hearing complaints and controversy about today. So many people that like and get into these games are completionists, having/collecting everything is a major draw for the core fans because it's a design feature and intent of IGA's games. So yeah, my vote was for a compromise. It's fine if someone thinks that's ridiculously stupid.
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Post by Enkeria on Jun 3, 2018 3:42:59 GMT -6
Will the Steam Beta support Mac OS X and Linux? not that we know of. Use boot camp possibly on Mac OS X.
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About exclusive content.
I just want them to keep their promises, and not change it because some / 95% of the people feel they missed out. In life things doesn't work like that. There are rules, and laws, and promises. Non of which should be broken. If they are, why bother helping out when you can get the help instead of helping all the time. I am a helper, it would be nice to be shown that appreciation and not be stepped upon, I have had enough of that all life - not be giving any gratitude after hard work or good deeds. Karma? What is that. I really do not care of that kind of gratitude I would get, but it's black on white what it is: exclusive in-game content. And a map along with other physical stuff. So why annoy good helpers by saying "it shouldn't be for you!" Who are you to decide what I need in my life?
I value in-game at least 5 times more than the physical gifts because it's the in-game that let me experience the world, and I will have a fun time doing so with it and getting a lot of hours from enjoying it.
The physical stuff is a one time thing only, sure it has its charm but I am not a collector. The t-shirt can be used until it's worn out of course but the map? The artbook? Soundtrack? Keychain? It will be probably left in the box. A joyful experience would be meeting IGA (in-game will do because IRL it will never happen) and have a weapon (which won't be highest tier) to run around with, and a statement that (I am a helper / backer / fan). I deserve that confirmation as a thank you. If not. Then you can imagine how me as a person, my heart will feel. I would take a major hit, having great doubts on what people on either kickstarter and companies ever say to be true. Then I will understand that helpers are just kicked around to do better, and to recieve less than what they deserve, even if its to break a seal, a bond that was given when the actual idea was in loop.
Sure, give the exclusive stuff to everyone! And see many of us fade away.
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Post by miyalys on Jun 3, 2018 4:00:19 GMT -6
lovelydumpling : Yes, what I suggested would indeed fit the definition of compromise.
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Post by Arikado on Jun 3, 2018 4:38:11 GMT -6
Regarding the exclusive stuff, I was one of the people who voted for "Wait a period of time after launch, then release the content (for a price)", as I felt it was for the best.
This is actually very similar to pre-order only content, which I've always hated, and I don't want other people to have to deal with it. Many people would choose not to get a game if they were being denied certain content just because they bought the game late/didn't pre-order it, or in this case, didn't back it. And while it may feel good to brag about the exclusive content that only I, as a backer, can experience, I would certainly feel bad about non-backers (who might not have had the chance to back the game) being unable to experience said content for all eternity.
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Jun 3, 2018 4:58:34 GMT -6
I actually got into a pretty vicious argument with my best friend over the fact I thought the backer content should never be made available to anyone but backers which he vehemently disagreed with, mainly because "oh, you were in a bad financial situation and couldn't back the game, or maybe you're young and your parents wouldn't let you, well SCREW YOU! YOU DON'T EVER GET THE COOL THING" being his main argument which does certainly have merit.
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Post by Enkeria on Jun 3, 2018 5:16:33 GMT -6
Saved for a few years for the game. I wanted the exclusive stuff.
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Post by Cranium on Jun 3, 2018 10:07:17 GMT -6
I actually got into a pretty vicious argument with my best friend over the fact I thought the backer content should never be made available to anyone but backers which he vehemently disagreed with, mainly because "oh, you were in a bad financial situation and couldn't back the game, or maybe you're young and your parents wouldn't let you, well SCREW YOU! YOU DON'T EVER GET THE COOL THING" being his main argument which does certainly have merit. I'm sorry to get back into this, but how does that argument have merit? I really don't understand how his financial situation at the time or his parent's not allowing it is the fault of the Kickstarter or how it means he's owed the content. If I'm late to the airport and I missed my flight or I didn't buy a ticket to the flight in the first place I'm not owed that flight by the airlines am I?
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 3, 2018 10:46:27 GMT -6
I actually got into a pretty vicious argument with my best friend over the fact I thought the backer content should never be made available to anyone but backers which he vehemently disagreed with, mainly because "oh, you were in a bad financial situation and couldn't back the game, or maybe you're young and your parents wouldn't let you, well SCREW YOU! YOU DON'T EVER GET THE COOL THING" being his main argument which does certainly have merit. I'm sorry to get back into this, but how does that argument have merit? I really don't understand how his financial situation at the time or his parent's not allowing it is the fault of the Kickstarter or how it means he's owed the content. If I'm late to the airport and I missed my flight or I didn't buy a ticket to the flight in the first place I'm not owed that flight by the airlines am I?
Your own example flies in the face of your argument. If you're late to the airport or don't buy a ticket, you can just take the next flight. That's an entirely different situation from being locked out of content forever. Also, don't tell people not to quote you or tag you if you're just going to jump right back in whenever you feel like it. Participate in the conversation or don't.
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Post by Cranium on Jun 3, 2018 10:59:09 GMT -6
I'm sorry to get back into this, but how does that argument have merit? I really don't understand how his financial situation at the time or his parent's not allowing it is the fault of the Kickstarter or how it means he's owed the content. If I'm late to the airport and I missed my flight or I didn't buy a ticket to the flight in the first place I'm not owed that flight by the airlines am I?
Your own example flies in the face of your argument. If you're late to the airport or don't buy a ticket, you can just take the next flight. That's an entirely different situation from being locked out of content forever. It doesn't fly in the face of my argument because the point was that he isn't owed the content because he's late or he didn't have the money. Second, ANY analogy is going to be a completely different situation. Also, he'd miss THAT FLIGHT. And you can't buy a ticket to a flight that's already taken off.
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 3, 2018 11:09:53 GMT -6
Guys, for the rest of this thread I want you to think of two things before you post. #1 is what I'm saying helpful? #2 Is what I'm saying friendly?
If your post isn't passing those two filters, just don't say anything. I hope that's clear.
Opinions are fine. Diverse opinions are welcome. Opinions on other people's opinions though are getting out of hand in this particular thread. Please refrain. Thanks.
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Post by lovelydumpling on Jun 3, 2018 12:03:42 GMT -6
That's personally what I'm not fond of either.
Hell, delay the content for a year, two years even, it'd not be great, but it's really that "all eternity" aspect that drives it home for so many people. Even with exclusive physical content, you can at least buy it off the second hand market even if for an outrageous price. Even if it's been used. There's absolutely no way to get digital content after it stops being sold, at least through legal means.
And a boss fight (maybe the weapon, but mostly the boss fight) is an incredibly out there thing to lock behind an eternal paywall.
And what do we do with any remasters in the game in the future? Should the PS5/XB2 ports never get this content? Should 20 years from now, any remasters, ports, or legacy collections of Bloodstained just be down a boss because of the Kickstarter promise? That the only way you get to play that content again is if you dust off your old PS4, hoping the PSN store for the console isn't shut down or that you still have the game/content installed?
Say what you will about exclusivity, eternal digital exclusivity seems incredibly counterproductive to even backers tbh.
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Post by Busterific on Jun 3, 2018 12:33:06 GMT -6
There is literally no win situation for this. Regardless of what happens there's going to be a group of people who are not happy with the results. I tend to side with those saying a promise was made, and it should be kept. There are enough people out there who's word is worthless, we don't need another.
Just because the Iga boss and swordwhip are exclusive in Bloostained Ritual of the Night does not mean that cannot be added into sequels. If the game doesn't do well enough to where there's a sequel then it may not be worth bothering with to begin with, although with what I've seen so far I'm thinking there will be one which may be me being more optimistic than I should be.
I also tend to be against DLC in general. I prefer a complete game, and anything extra can come in its sequel. Having additional DLC levels that are paid for separately and downloaded later gives incentive to intentionally leave out content so that it can be added in later as a paid for expansion. I feel there are too many games out there already that are doing that as well.
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Post by roguedragon05 on Jun 3, 2018 13:16:49 GMT -6
Busterific I do agree with you about DLC abuse being rampant, I myself do like the idea of continually supporting the game for some time to extend the life of it through DLC, it goes without saying that this has to be handled well or not at all. One of the things I've been thinking of is what is IGA, Artplay and crew going to do next? I understand that everyone wants them to focus on this game and only this game first but when your running a company you need to have future projects in motion all the time otherwise you are just paying people to literally sit on there asses for weeks or months between projects, DLC would be a viable means of keeping everyone busy and making money for the company as long as it's done right and until Bloodstained 2 or some other project starts up (assuming they don't' have something lined up already which I'm sure they have some ideas). I completely agree that content should never be cut out of the game and then thrown into DLC for the sake of making DLC. However as long as it truly is expanding the gameplay/mytho's I'd very much be open to it.
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Post by Busterific on Jun 3, 2018 14:56:54 GMT -6
I do agree with you about DLC abuse being rampant, I myself do like the idea of continually supporting the game for some time to extend the life of it through DLC, it goes without saying that this has to be handled well or not at all. It being done right is the key here, and I tend to lean towards the not at all level. It would be difficult for the best of us to do it right with the incentive of 'easy money' being there relating to how DLC is often handled. Since so much was promised in the Kickstarter I'm fairly confident we're going to get a full game as it is that shouldn't have a lot of need for extra DLC. Personally I'd much rather have ArtPlay planning ahead and have any free resources go to the next big thing rather than pumping out skins and other DLC for purchase after the fact.
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Post by roguedragon05 on Jun 3, 2018 14:59:46 GMT -6
BusterificI DEFINITELY don't want any skin/cosmetic DLC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 15:30:38 GMT -6
I was among the 20% who voted for "Wait for a period of time and then release the content," and if that ends up being the plan, 1-3 years sounds very good to me. Most of us will be forming our strongest memories with the game within that period of time, so we'd get a lot of mileage out of that timed-exclusivity. Assuming a Bloodstained 2: Boogaloo of the Night happens, releasing the content to non-backers when that game gets announced might even be a good way to drum up hype.
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Post by Busterific on Jun 3, 2018 15:42:50 GMT -6
I DEFINITELY don't want any skin/cosmetic DLC. Yes, based on the fact that there are a lot of people who like and pay for that type of DLC, and some of the survey questions seems to be geared in that direction I think they're already considering downloadable skins. How this will ultimately play out is left to be seen, but is one area where my hopes are not all that high. I have been surprised before though.
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Post by Busterific on Jun 3, 2018 15:46:18 GMT -6
@autumn
Regardless of what happens with the exclusive content, we totally need to get the title "Bloodstained 2: Boogaloo of the Night" to Iga and see about having that as the official title.
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Post by Galamoth on Jun 3, 2018 16:59:28 GMT -6
Aw... we won't be able to use Detective Eye or Fald Taiab in the Beta Backer Demo. I really want to try those out. (also to help confirm something for Pure Miriam)
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