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Post by twilightvulpine on Jul 11, 2015 23:33:29 GMT -6
Nope. Nope, nope, nope, nope. This is not Castlevania people, this is an entire new setting. We don't have Dracula, and we have the demon crystal cursed instead of vampires. Putting a vampire in is just going to derail from the new setting IGA is making. How do you even explain vampires here without taking the spotlight away from Miriam and Gebel? I'd rather have no vampire playable characters, IGA is making something new and I think it's much better if they focus on that. Maybe we might have some vampire enemies, since the castle is summoning all kinds of demons, but a playable vampire doesn't fit. A small girl might be okay, but I don't think they can explain her being immortal in this setting. Alchemists are all dead but Johannes, scientists are too new and I don't think they can do that, and the crystal curse ritual only happened a few years ago, What new setting? It still takes place in relatively the same timeframe as SOTN, which is around the 1700s. Yes, there won't be Dracula, but that doesn't exclude vampires from the mix. The same timeframe doesn't mean the same fantasy elements. It is a new setting, regardless of the year. There is nothing about 1700s that requires vampires. Frankenstein also takes place on the 1700s and it doesn't mean any other work has to feature the monster. Of course, it doesn't forbid them either, but still, it would pull the spotlight away from Miriam and Gebel. Why would a vampire exist in this setting, and why would they have anything to do with the alchemists or Gebel? An old powerful vampire playing its own game can make the demon crystals into a tool for their own designs, and hijack its importance to the others and the whole plot. In Castlevania all central elements related. We had Dracula, vampires (Carmilla) and cultists (Shaft) who served him, his son Alucard, and of course the clans of vampire hunters who fought him, the most prevalent of them being the Belmont. Even Maria who was a bit different still related to the Belmont. Soma is Dracula himself. All of them tied to the central element of the great vampire Dracula and his demonic threat to the world. In Bloodstained the central element are the demon crystals. Gebel is the creator of the castle, who built it to have a home for the crystal cursed, he and Miriam. Johannes is the only survivor of Gebel's rampage. Putting a vampire here would require answering, how does the vampire relate to the crystal curse. A pet character would be a creation of the demon crystals. A scientist character would have been the intended victim the evil alchemists wanted to use the demon crystals against. The vampire character can't simply have been there, without linking to the central elements of the setting. |
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Post by H on Jul 11, 2015 23:53:33 GMT -6
Not all of the things in Castlevania were related. Since the beginning it had a huge mashup of monsters, and later became a mashup of different mythologies, but with Dracula still being the ruler of the castle. Things like Galamoth and Balore don't really have any connections to vampirism or the gothic theme. ROTN is still a gothic game, so vampires and the like can still make an appearance. There was a new thread opened up about whether the classic enemies should appear or not, check it out if you want! It does seem unlikely that a vamp will be a 3rd character, but I think the point has gotten across already. We're just sharing ideas at this point  |
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Post by twilightvulpine on Jul 12, 2015 11:36:26 GMT -6
Not all of the things in Castlevania were related. Since the beginning it had a huge mashup of monsters, and later became a mashup of different mythologies, but with Dracula still being the ruler of the castle. Things like Galamoth and Balore don't really have any connections to vampirism or the gothic theme. ROTN is still a gothic game, so vampires and the like can still make an appearance. There was a new thread opened up about whether the classic enemies should appear or not, check it out if you want! It does seem unlikely that a vamp will be a 3rd character, but I think the point has gotten across already. We're just sharing ideas at this point As far as story goes it was consistent, though. This is my point, there needs to be a better story-related reason if they are going to be playable. I agree that vampires could appear as enemies, they are much looser about populating the castle. Yesterday I started thinking about paralels between the games. The reason I feel so strongly about it is because it seems to me the crystal cursed are our vampires. Think about it, Gebel is the powerful and dangerous owner of the castle, he takes the place of Dracula, though he might be a more well-meaning one. Miriam is touched by the same curse, but she isn't as far gone as Gebel, she is our Alucard, or Soma. Though there is no blood drinking, they were made into what they are through an evil sacrificial ritual, just like how Dracula is summoned. But that led me to think what else we are missing. It's possible that there will be some demon linked to the crystals that either serves or tries to control Gebel, which would take loosely the place of Death. As far as playable characters go, we don't have an equivalent to the Belmonts. Johannes may inherit the whip, but he is in the quest for personal reasons, and being an alchemist makes him more of a mystic than a warrior. We don't have a demon hunter. |
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Post by H on Jul 12, 2015 12:28:19 GMT -6
Yeah, that makes sense. I liked the way Castlevania 3 did it with every character having their own unique useful traits, and each of them having a reason to to want to go against Dracula. I also like characters that have a different purpose of being there as well though, such as Henry in Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness. He was a child that you found in your first playthrough of the game, and you can play as Henry after a timeskip before the Castle crumbles. His main goal isn't to fight Dracula, but to rescue the children that have been kidnapped. The only protagonist he met in that game was Cornell, and he was played off as a minor character with minimum importance to the main story, but I still thought it was cool to play as him.
I hope that the characters are people we can build up as well, and not just start off at their maximum power. That could motivate us to explore the castle in a different manner than our playthrough with Miriam, making use of our different strengths to take a different adventure/path that time through. Starting off super-strong is fun for a bit, but ultimately leaves me with not wanting to explore the castle to become stronger.
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Post by JeffCross on Jul 12, 2015 23:31:29 GMT -6
I think I am going to change my mind on this. So I took off the wild youth and voted grizzled old man. some of you guys convinced me.
here is his back story:
This man was one of the scientists that wanted to go against the alchemy power... but one of the alchemist sent for his kid to be kidnapped and used in the experiment... The alchemist promised to give his child back if he stopped fighting alchemy... So when his child was taken he lost his will to fight.. after finding his child's remains in a pile of bodies he went crazy... vowing revenge on the alchemist... He worked for years working on and refining scientific weapons... but as we know, Gebel killed them instead... so the man had nothing to do but wait and go crazy... that is until he found out one of the children survived. To him it was like a second chance to "care" for his child, He even calls Miriam his kid's name (his kid was a boy so it is weird for her)...
so that is my story for the crazy old dude
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Post by crocodile on Jul 13, 2015 0:11:57 GMT -6
If you want to use vampires as just random enemies to bash in the castle like skeletons then whatever. If you want to include vampires as actually important, plot relevant NPCs or even potentially playable characters, you're going to have to actually justify why there are vampires and what they are doing in the world of Bloodstained. It can be done of course but it does have serious implications for the world setting so its not something you just want to throw in without thought. I'll also reiterate that I personally am not a fan of just voting based solely on character archetypes. I feel its a bit too easy to write cliche characters if you approach character design from that perspective ("which boxes do I want to check today") if you aren't careful  |
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jul 13, 2015 0:16:27 GMT -6
This is just me but a grizzled old man as a character would be kind of boring imo. It's more interesting to me if a strong protagonist is someone who's young, or female. We already have Miriam which counts as a mature woman more or less, and Johannes who's a middle aged man. My vote goes to wild youth, which has potential to be an interesting character. He/she doesn't nessesarily have to be a human, keep that in mind. He/she could always be a human/demon hybrid. Pure unscathed youth would probably be someone like Maria Renard, but I'm honestly not too big a fan of hers, although she's much cooler in SOTN. I could mention loli vampires again, but I'll just change vampire to demon since someone here doesn't think vampires would fit in Bloodstained's setting.
Alright, so a wild youth who is half human/half demon. He/she would fight by tapping into his/her demon side, and leveling up would lead to his/her demon side growing stronger. I've always liked the concept of a protagonist having a "super-powered evil side" to them. Miriam with her magi-crystal curse being one of them, along with Soma from AoS/DoS.
Anyways, the protagonist being half human/half demon would lead to an interesting backstory. Was he/she made from an experiment gone wrong? Or did he/she come naturally from the love between a human and demon? (Getting DMC vibes here) In case of the former, perhaps he/she ventures to the castle because he/she heard rumors of a way to completely rid him/herself of the demon side, and turn into a full human(and maybe a bad end when he/she finds out the rumors were false). Or perhaps he/she is a demon hunter and just wants to destroy the castle for the greater good, getting in the way of Gebel and Miriam.
Anyways, I rambled on a bit too long.
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Post by JeffCross on Jul 13, 2015 0:25:44 GMT -6
If you want to use vampires as just random enemies to bash in the castle like skeletons then whatever. If you want to include vampires as actually important, plot relevant NPCs or even potentially playable characters, you're going to have to actually justify why there are vampires and what they are doing in the world of Bloodstained. It can be done of course but it does have serious implications for the world setting so its not something you just want to throw in without thought. I'll also reiterate that I personally am not a fan of just voting based solely on character archetypes. I feel its a bit too easy to write cliche characters if you approach character design from that perspective ("which boxes do I want to check today") if you aren't careful Enough talk about about enemies please I made another thread for that. so please no more talk about it... this is not only for you crocodile but for anyone who is still talking about enemies... if you want to talk about enemies classic or otherwise please go here ENEMY TALK |
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Post by Ciel on Jul 13, 2015 0:29:36 GMT -6
This is just me but a grizzled old man as a character would be kind of boring imo. It's more interesting to me if a strong protagonist is someone who's young, or female. We already have Miriam which counts as a mature woman more or less, and Johannes who's a middle aged man. My vote goes to wild youth, which has potential to be an interesting character. He/she doesn't nessesarily have to be a human, keep that in mind. He/she could always be a human/demon hybrid. Pure unscathed youth would probably be someone like Maria Renard, but I'm honestly not too big a fan of hers, although she's much cooler in SOTN. I could mention loli vampires again, but I'll just change vampire to demon since someone here doesn't think vampires would fit in Bloodstained's setting. Alright, so a wild youth who is half human/half demon. He/she would fight by tapping into his/her demon side, and leveling up would lead to his/her demon side growing stronger. I've always liked the concept of a protagonist having a "super-powered evil side" to them. Miriam with her magi-crystal curse being one of them, along with Soma from AoS/DoS. Anyways, the protagonist being half human/half demon would lead to an interesting backstory. Was he/she made from an experiment gone wrong? Or did he/she come naturally from the love between a human and demon? (Getting DMC vibes here) In case of the former, perhaps he/she ventures to the castle because he/she heard rumors of a way to completely rid him/herself of the demon side, and turn into a full human(and maybe a bad end when he/she finds out the rumors were false). Or perhaps he/she is a demon hunter and just wants to destroy the castle for the greater good, getting in the way of Gebel and Miriam. Anyways, I rambled on a bit too long. You basically described why you like Arcueid lol. I do like your ideas, though my vote still stands for grizzled old man. |
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jul 13, 2015 0:31:48 GMT -6
This is just me but a grizzled old man as a character would be kind of boring imo. It's more interesting to me if a strong protagonist is someone who's young, or female. We already have Miriam which counts as a mature woman more or less, and Johannes who's a middle aged man. My vote goes to wild youth, which has potential to be an interesting character. He/she doesn't nessesarily have to be a human, keep that in mind. He/she could always be a human/demon hybrid. Pure unscathed youth would probably be someone like Maria Renard, but I'm honestly not too big a fan of hers, although she's much cooler in SOTN. I could mention loli vampires again, but I'll just change vampire to demon since someone here doesn't think vampires would fit in Bloodstained's setting. Alright, so a wild youth who is half human/half demon. He/she would fight by tapping into his/her demon side, and leveling up would lead to his/her demon side growing stronger. I've always liked the concept of a protagonist having a "super-powered evil side" to them. Miriam with her magi-crystal curse being one of them, along with Soma from AoS/DoS. Anyways, the protagonist being half human/half demon would lead to an interesting backstory. Was he/she made from an experiment gone wrong? Or did he/she come naturally from the love between a human and demon? (Getting DMC vibes here) In case of the former, perhaps he/she ventures to the castle because he/she heard rumors of a way to completely rid him/herself of the demon side, and turn into a full human(and maybe a bad end when he/she finds out the rumors were false). Or perhaps he/she is a demon hunter and just wants to destroy the castle for the greater good, getting in the way of Gebel and Miriam. Anyways, I rambled on a bit too long. You basically described why you like Arcueid lol. I do like your ideas, though my vote still stands for grizzled old man. Half true, just without the "super-powered evil side". I'm thinking like DMC's Devil trigger, or... my Warcueid side.  |
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Post by JeffCross on Jul 13, 2015 0:37:46 GMT -6
This is just me but a grizzled old man as a character would be kind of boring imo. It's more interesting to me if a strong protagonist is someone who's young, or female. We already have Miriam which counts as a mature woman more or less, and Johannes who's a middle aged man. My vote goes to wild youth, which has potential to be an interesting character. He/she doesn't nessesarily have to be a human, keep that in mind. He/she could always be a human/demon hybrid. Pure unscathed youth would probably be someone like Maria Renard, but I'm honestly not too big a fan of hers, although she's much cooler in SOTN. I could mention loli vampires again I don't think Miriam is counted a "Mature woman" she is only 18. I think she would be counted as Badass woman... she has a mission to do and she will accomplish it. the rest of your post... I agree with Ciel you're really trying to get Arcueid in this game (or someone from Tsukihime) lol |
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jul 13, 2015 0:48:41 GMT -6
This is just me but a grizzled old man as a character would be kind of boring imo. It's more interesting to me if a strong protagonist is someone who's young, or female. We already have Miriam which counts as a mature woman more or less, and Johannes who's a middle aged man. My vote goes to wild youth, which has potential to be an interesting character. He/she doesn't nessesarily have to be a human, keep that in mind. He/she could always be a human/demon hybrid. Pure unscathed youth would probably be someone like Maria Renard, but I'm honestly not too big a fan of hers, although she's much cooler in SOTN. I could mention loli vampires again I don't think Miriam is counted a "Mature woman" she is only 18. I think she would be counted as Badass woman... she has a mission to do and she will accomplish it. the rest of your post... I agree with Ciel you're really trying to get Arcueid in this game (or someone from Tsukihime) lol Eh, she's mature in my eyes unless she turns out to be like Rondo's Maria. And age has nothing to do with maturity, it's how you're brought up. In Miriam's case(who was an orphan, no parents to dote on her), she would most likely be mature, especially in the 1700s. Otherwise, you should rename "mature woman" to "middle aged woman" as one of the vote options since I think that's what you mean. I'm not saying I want Arcueid in bloodstained(she's not even human). I'm saying that a wild youth who is half human/half demon who fights by using his demon side (which by the way I don't think any of the Igavania characters do, souls and Alucard's spells barely count) would be an interesting protagonist for me. And he can be either gender, though I'd prefer female. We rarely get those. Even better if she's young. That's even rarer in Igavania games. |
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Post by JeffCross on Jul 13, 2015 1:14:46 GMT -6
I don't think Miriam is counted a "Mature woman" she is only 18. I think she would be counted as Badass woman... she has a mission to do and she will accomplish it. the rest of your post... I agree with Ciel you're really trying to get Arcueid in this game (or someone from Tsukihime) lol Eh, she's mature in my eyes unless she turns out to be like Rondo's Maria. And age has nothing to do with maturity, it's how you're brought up. In Miriam's case(who was an orphan, no parents to dote on her), she would most likely be mature, especially in the 1700s. Otherwise, you should rename "mature woman" to "middle aged woman" as one of the vote options since I think that's what you mean. I'm not saying I want Arcueid in bloodstained( she's not even human). I'm saying that a wild youth who is half human/half demon who fights by using his demon side (which by the way I don't think any of the Igavania characters do, souls and Alucard's spells barely count) would be an interesting protagonist for me. And he can be either gender, though I'd prefer female. We rarely get those. Even better if she's young. That's even rarer in Igavania games. defiantly not talking about attitude, talking more like body type. so "mature" would be a motherly type (or fuller figure) it could also mean elderly as in a crone or old lady, so I can't put as "middle aged" cause the old ladies would have no place. and the definition of Mature is (first definition) " fully developed physically; full-grown." I know you've never said it out loud that you wanted Arcueid in the game but I think it's cool how you (and sometimes ceil) try to integrate the anime into the bloodstained (actually I am starting to watch Tsukihime to figure out all the inside jokes lol). and who said the character had to be human? a werewolf could be a character (how people play with human alchemy) it could happen (I always wanted to play a werewolf with good gameplay mechanics). anyway no biggie, I like to read what people come up with. That's why I like creating threads to see what people come up with... so whatever you come up with cool, it's all speculation. (I said "come up with" a lot lol) but for the record I still like the grizzled old man (cause I'm almost one LOL) and I like the story that I wrote (on page 3) I might change my mind again though |
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jul 13, 2015 1:20:45 GMT -6
Eh, she's mature in my eyes unless she turns out to be like Rondo's Maria. And age has nothing to do with maturity, it's how you're brought up. In Miriam's case(who was an orphan, no parents to dote on her), she would most likely be mature, especially in the 1700s. Otherwise, you should rename "mature woman" to "middle aged woman" as one of the vote options since I think that's what you mean. I'm not saying I want Arcueid in bloodstained( she's not even human). I'm saying that a wild youth who is half human/half demon who fights by using his demon side (which by the way I don't think any of the Igavania characters do, souls and Alucard's spells barely count) would be an interesting protagonist for me. And he can be either gender, though I'd prefer female. We rarely get those. Even better if she's young. That's even rarer in Igavania games. defiantly not talking about attitude, talking more like body type. so "mature" would be a motherly type (or fuller figure) it could also mean elderly as in a crone or old lady, so I can't put as "middle aged" cause the old ladies would have no place. and the definition of Mature is (first definition) " fully developed physically; full-grown." I know you've never said it out loud that you wanted Arcueid in the game but I think it's cool how you (and sometimes ceil) try to integrate the anime into the bloodstained (actually I am starting to watch Tsukihime to figure out all the inside jokes lol). and who said the character had to be human? a werewolf could be a character (how people play with human alchemy) it could happen (I always wanted to play a werewolf with good gameplay mechanics). anyway no biggie, I like to read what people come up with. That's why I like creating threads to see what people come up with... so whatever you come up with cool, it's all speculation. but for the record I still like the grizzled old man (cause I'm almost one LOL) and I like the story that I wrote (on page 3) I might change my mind again though Mm, true. But yeah, just putting my thoughts out there, not trying to force it on anybody, haha. Now, this is off topic, but did you say you're watching Tsukihime? In what media form? |
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Post by JeffCross on Jul 13, 2015 1:24:01 GMT -6
defiantly not talking about attitude, talking more like body type. so "mature" would be a motherly type (or fuller figure) it could also mean elderly as in a crone or old lady, so I can't put as "middle aged" cause the old ladies would have no place. and the definition of Mature is (first definition) " fully developed physically; full-grown." I know you've never said it out loud that you wanted Arcueid in the game but I think it's cool how you (and sometimes ceil) try to integrate the anime into the bloodstained (actually I am starting to watch Tsukihime to figure out all the inside jokes lol). and who said the character had to be human? a werewolf could be a character (how people play with human alchemy) it could happen (I always wanted to play a werewolf with good gameplay mechanics). anyway no biggie, I like to read what people come up with. That's why I like creating threads to see what people come up with... so whatever you come up with cool, it's all speculation. but for the record I still like the grizzled old man (cause I'm almost one LOL) and I like the story that I wrote (on page 3) I might change my mind again though Mm, true. But yeah, just putting my thoughts out there, not trying to force it on anybody, haha. Now, this is off topic, but did you say you're watching Tsukihime? In what media form? yes, Just watched the first and second episode... Oh in anime form why? |
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Post by Ciel on Jul 13, 2015 1:26:17 GMT -6
Eh, she's mature in my eyes unless she turns out to be like Rondo's Maria. And age has nothing to do with maturity, it's how you're brought up. In Miriam's case(who was an orphan, no parents to dote on her), she would most likely be mature, especially in the 1700s. Otherwise, you should rename "mature woman" to "middle aged woman" as one of the vote options since I think that's what you mean. I'm not saying I want Arcueid in bloodstained( she's not even human). I'm saying that a wild youth who is half human/half demon who fights by using his demon side (which by the way I don't think any of the Igavania characters do, souls and Alucard's spells barely count) would be an interesting protagonist for me. And he can be either gender, though I'd prefer female. We rarely get those. Even better if she's young. That's even rarer in Igavania games. defiantly not talking about attitude, talking more like body type. so "mature" would be a motherly type (or fuller figure) it could also mean elderly as in a crone or old lady, so I can't put as "middle aged" cause the old ladies would have no place. and the definition of Mature is (first definition) " fully developed physically; full-grown." I know you've never said it out loud that you wanted Arcueid in the game but I think it's cool how you (and sometimes ceil) try to integrate the anime into the bloodstained (actually I am starting to watch Tsukihime to figure out all the inside jokes lol). and who said the character had to be human? a werewolf could be a character (how people play with human alchemy) it could happen (I always wanted to play a werewolf with good gameplay mechanics). anyway no biggie, I like to read what people come up with. That's why I like creating threads to see what people come up with... so whatever you come up with cool, it's all speculation. (I said "come up with" a lot lol) but for the record I still like the grizzled old man (cause I'm almost one LOL) and I like the story that I wrote (on page 3) I might change my mind again though *ahem* About that... please refrain from saying such a thing, because there is no anime called "Tsukihime". Have a look at this post: bloodstainedfanforums.com/post/2863/thread , and then guide yourself through this world. |
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jul 13, 2015 1:28:30 GMT -6
Mm, true. But yeah, just putting my thoughts out there, not trying to force it on anybody, haha. Now, this is off topic, but did you say you're watching Tsukihime? In what media form? yes, Just watched the first and second episode... Oh in anime form why? ...I'm away from my PC at the moment so I can't bring up the proper image to respond to you with. I'll reply about this subject tomorrow. *stomps off* |
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Post by JeffCross on Jul 13, 2015 1:30:45 GMT -6
yes, Just watched the first and second episode... Oh in anime form why? ...I'm away from my PC at the moment so I can't bring up the proper image to respond to you with. I'll reply about this subject tomorrow. *stomps off* LOL I also have Carnival Phantasm... |
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Post by Ciel on Jul 13, 2015 1:37:20 GMT -6
...I'm away from my PC at the moment so I can't bring up the proper image to respond to you with. I'll reply about this subject tomorrow. *stomps off* LOL I also have Carnival Phantasm... The fact is that... thing is horrible, so please stop watching right now for our own good. |
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jul 13, 2015 1:37:31 GMT -6
...I'm away from my PC at the moment so I can't bring up the proper image to respond to you with. I'll reply about this subject tomorrow. *stomps off* LOL I also have Carnival Phantasm... Before I lay justice upon you tomorrow I'll explain a bit. You should read the visual novel. The......anime...... isn't sufficient enough to get all the details. Think about the best book you've ever read in your life, and then watching the movie adaption of it that has like 5% of the book's details, and 95% of utter nonsense. Avoid the..........anime. Just avoid it. Don't watch Carnival Phantasm first. If you don't get our references now, CP's will just fly over your head, since that anime encompasses much more than just Tsukihime. |
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