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Post by JeffCross on Oct 8, 2016 6:05:20 GMT -6
Ok so since I backed the Wii U version and don't have a PS4/XBone/recent PC, I think I can provide an adequate perspective on the situation. It sucks, but I've been mulling over getting a PS4/better PC/maaaaybe NX so I feel like on that end it's no skin off my nose if I change my mind. That being said, I'm not sold on any of them outside of the PC and I kiiiind of don't want to play on my PC because of lack of a supported controller, so I'd feel a bit pressured if I end up not getting a PS4 or NX. Right now my Wii U is kind of a Paper Mario/Earthbound machine that I'd love some more current games for. I guess it's up to the developers at the end of the day though. as Ciel said a 360 or xbone controller will work... that is how I played the demo... I would have hated to play the game without controller support. Though I am thinking if you like the Wii U you will most likely like the NX... but if you are not sold on that the Xbone Scorpio will likely be the powerhouse of the console world for awhile (I am basing this only on their projected specs) the PS4 pro... I guess if you don't have a ps4 right now it might be fine... but I don't think you need that powerful of a computer to bloodstained... just about any "gaming" computer should do... though whatever you choose do the research. still I think if Iga-sama drops the Wii U support in lieu of NX (which I am hoping will be power house equal to the current ps4 and xbox)... I personally think that it's ok, but again, this is opinion is from someone who did not back the project for a Wii U version... so I don't think my opinion means much. |
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Post by Olrox on Oct 8, 2016 8:09:57 GMT -6
There is going to be a poll for sure about it, perhaps if the mayority of the voters, 80% or more, was ok with either changing to NX or an alternative console then the posibility of dropping the Wii U version could become a reality. I highly emphasize on the 80% or more because the result shouldn't be a polarizing choice, most of the comunty must agree with it for the team to halt the development of the Wii U version. A huge descision like this cannot be taken just by some small margin like 51% or even 60%. I don't know if refunds are possible here but it has been done for other kickstarters before.
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Post by LunaClefairy on Oct 8, 2016 8:52:49 GMT -6
This presents me with a unique dilemma. I chose the Wii U version when I backed because I planned to purchase one in the future. Due to my job situation, that hasn't happened yet. Now with the NX on the horizon and the fact that we still don't know what it is, I may end up deferring even longer (I might get a refurbished Wii U, though, especially since I picked those versions for Shantae and Yooka-Laylee).
I am hoping that by the time this game comes out, I will have the money to purchase a compatible console or a competent PC if the Wii U version ends up canned.
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Post by Overlord on Oct 9, 2016 13:53:04 GMT -6
I always thought it was a bad idea for a Wii U version. I know there were quite a few people screaming "WII U!!!!!" on the Kickstarter page, but ultimately the number of people that have a Wii U and nothing else must be minuscule. And I can't see why anyone would refuse to play it on PS4 or PC. So I'm not surprised to see these statements.
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Post by dareka on Oct 9, 2016 15:59:53 GMT -6
I always thought it was a bad idea for a Wii U version. I know there were quite a few people screaming "WII U!!!!!" on the Kickstarter page, but ultimately the number of people that have a Wii U and nothing else must be minuscule. And I can't see why anyone would refuse to play it on PS4 or PC. So I'm not surprised to see these statements. I think part of the appeal is the Wii U pad, which could be used for showing the map and such. At any rate, what I'd like to see now is if NX will be supported by Unreal 4 or not. If it is (and I see no reason why it wouldn't), then it would be a no-brainer to port it over to that console. If the console supports using the portable screen as a secondary screen, you'd get all the advantages of the Wii U. |
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Post by Yän on Oct 9, 2016 16:41:10 GMT -6
I always thought it was a bad idea for a Wii U version. I know there were quite a few people screaming "WII U!!!!!" on the Kickstarter page, but ultimately the number of people that have a Wii U and nothing else must be minuscule. And I can't see why anyone would refuse to play it on PS4 or PC. So I'm not surprised to see these statements. For a lot of people I don't think that it is so much about refusal to play on a certain system but rather about not owning such a system or the financial means to buy one. Even if the number of people only having a Wii U is small Iga still made a promise to those people which they gave him their money for. It even was one of the stretch goals. Simply ignoring stretch goals so that a fraction of fans will not be able to take part in the end result of the project they co-funded is just wrong and would probably result in quite some backlash from fans and media. I don't own a Wii U but I'd definitely advise Iga not to take a gamble on this and just have it ported to the console even if it turns out not to be very profitable in the long run. It's just the right thing to do. |
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Post by Overlord on Oct 10, 2016 10:25:14 GMT -6
I always thought it was a bad idea for a Wii U version. I know there were quite a few people screaming "WII U!!!!!" on the Kickstarter page, but ultimately the number of people that have a Wii U and nothing else must be minuscule. And I can't see why anyone would refuse to play it on PS4 or PC. So I'm not surprised to see these statements. I think part of the appeal is the Wii U pad, which could be used for showing the map and such. At any rate, what I'd like to see now is if NX will be supported by Unreal 4 or not. If it is (and I see no reason why it wouldn't), then it would be a no-brainer to port it over to that console. If the console supports using the portable screen as a secondary screen, you'd get all the advantages of the Wii U. Yeah, I've seen a few people mention that. Personally, I don't see the appeal. It's not like the DS where you have the map on a second screen that you have in full view. You need to look away from the game in order to see the map on the Wii U pad, so you may as well just be pausing the game to view the map. |
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Post by Overlord on Oct 10, 2016 10:26:52 GMT -6
I always thought it was a bad idea for a Wii U version. I know there were quite a few people screaming "WII U!!!!!" on the Kickstarter page, but ultimately the number of people that have a Wii U and nothing else must be minuscule. And I can't see why anyone would refuse to play it on PS4 or PC. So I'm not surprised to see these statements. For a lot of people I don't think that it is so much about refusal to play on a certain system but rather about not owning such a system or the financial means to buy one. Even if the number of people only having a Wii U is small Iga still made a promise to those people which they gave him their money for. It even was one of the stretch goals. Simply ignoring stretch goals so that a fraction of fans will not be able to take part in the end result of the project they co-funded is just wrong and would probably result in quite some backlash from fans and media. I don't own a Wii U but I'd definitely advise Iga not to take a gamble on this and just have it ported to the console even if it turns out not to be very profitable in the long run. It's just the right thing to do. I completely agree with you. That's why I think it was a bad idea from the beginning. Everyone is in a worse position now. |
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Post by LeoLeWolferoux on Oct 11, 2016 14:40:24 GMT -6
So the conclusion that can be drawn from all of this is that the Wii U backer count was really low. This. ...unfortunately. |
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Oct 11, 2016 17:37:59 GMT -6
I mean I dont think IGA is wrong at all, the Wii U is on the way out, its trailing way behind its competitors, Nintendo really fell on its face with the system and are rushing for a second shot. Backing out of the Wii U port on the grounds that the console wont even be relevant by 2018 is, strictly speaking, smart. Especially since the Wii U probably WONT be relevant in another 2 years, its barely worth it now. Not even Smash Brothers saved the thing.
HOWEVER, there are people who backed this game because it was coming to Wii U, those people expect and deserve either the game they funded, or to have their funding returned. Its really that simple.
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Post by sleyer on Oct 14, 2016 16:37:21 GMT -6
I backed for various consoles, wii u, pc, ps4, and vita specifically. I am really excited for what they could do with a wii u port and would be sad if they did cancel it, but it's not something I'm particularly concerned about and won't be until I hear from the man himself, y'know?
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Post by Everett Spair on Oct 16, 2016 7:57:32 GMT -6
I backed for a Wii U copy of the game and this whole discussion is scaring me quite a bit. What will happen to my game if the Wii U version is canceled?
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Post by Mr. German on Oct 16, 2016 9:48:12 GMT -6
Everett Spair I understand your worries. In your case, IF the Wii U Version is going to be cancelled, I would change the backed version to PC. IF bloodstained is going to be that good, as many of us are hoping here, you might want to go back to it every year or so. And if you have the special backer version on PC, you won't have that much of a hassle regarding backwards compatibility. And when you say, your PC isn't beefed enough, "everyone" is upgrading their pc at some point. Of course if you don't use PCs in your private time and are purely playing on console, then that doesn't apply to you. But in that case, I assume you will upgrade your console in the future. So then the NX version is your choice. It's a long way until 2018!
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Post by alucardsfate on Oct 16, 2016 17:06:50 GMT -6
I got the Wii U version, so this is a wee bit concerning. One thing I keep seeing in previous posts is "Upgrade them to an NX version" but you are making the dangerous assumption that me or somebody else is even going to buy an NX at this point when we don't really even know what it is. I really like Nintendo but I certainly am not pledged to them to buy anything and only a fool buys something before they know what it is and what it does. Then there is a PC version, while I have a more then capable gaming PC, I wanted a physical copy. (I'm big on physical copies) Any "physical" copy of PC you don't really own. You are at the whim of whatever download service it's on, more then likely Steam. I don't like that. But then again switching it to one of the other consoles that I don't own (PS4,XONE) would be ridiculous too as it would be trying to force me to buy something I really didn't want. Touchy situation with no good way out....
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Post by Yän on Oct 16, 2016 17:43:12 GMT -6
I got the Wii U version, so this is a wee bit concerning. One thing I keep seeing in previous posts is "Upgrade them to an NX version" but you are making the dangerous assumption that me or somebody else is even going to buy an NX at this point when we don't really even know what it is. I really like Nintendo but I certainly am not pledged to them to buy anything and only a fool buys something before what it is and what it does. Then there is a PC version, while I have a more then capable gaming PC, I wanted a physical copy. (I'm big on physical copies) Any "physical" copy of PC you don't really own. You are at the whim of whatever download service it's on. More then likely Steam. I don't like that. But then again switching it to one of the other consoles that I don't own (PS4,XONE) would be ridiculous too as it would be trying to force me to buy something I really didn't want. Touchy situation with no good way out.... You made some great points. Don't bet on the NX, guys - we currently have no clue what it's going to be. The system might not even support games like sidescrollers who knows! There's an option for a DRM-free PC-Version though so you could get that one I guess. Anyway I still believe that Iga should go with a Wii U release. After all it had been promised as a stretch goal! |
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Post by Aztec on Oct 20, 2016 10:13:09 GMT -6
crocodile shall you never have confidence in the things I say without some sort of solid evidence or argument? I mean if you're going to make a pretty definitive statement, or really any statement at all, it might be nice to know why you feel that way? It's not about being right or wrong - none of us know the future for certain. We don't have to agree and maybe you have a strong argument. However, typically opinions or declarations need rationales. If someone asks "huh that's interesting, why do you feel/think that way?" then "because" isn't a good enough response 9/10 times. I'm not a mind reader  Why do you feel with certainty the Vita version is 100% safe? Why is that port safe when a Wii U port clearly isn't 100% safe? Is it because it would be the only portable version of the game (putting aside unconfirmed rumors that the NX might be a hybrid) and you think they would feel compelled to deliver a portable version of the game given the portable history of the Castlevania series? I would still disagree that protects the Vita version 100% but at least that's a rationale why a Vita might not be on the chopping block. There is a precedence for ports for platforms to be cancelled for crowdfunded projects - especially if said ports would be difficult to port or on systems that no longer sell well ala the Vita (which will be more true in 2018 than in 2017 when the game was first scheduled to be released). Again, I'm not saying the Vita port is necessarily in trouble. I disagree that its 100% safe but really I want to know why you feel differently. Let me in to you heart <3 Why do you think refunds are for certain off the table? Especially given the precedence already set in the crowdfunding world or the moral/optical implications of knowingly keeping money while failing to deliver a product (as Scars Unseen points out). It's clearly not something that is unreasonably difficult for most campaigns to do so what do you feel is different here that makes it impossible? Why would eating all the bad press they would rightfully earn by giving no refunds if a version of the game is cancelled be better than giving back a few tens of thousands of dollars at max? Write me down for the next podcast being XombieMike with Crocodile as guest star. No, I'm serious. It'd make for a delicious debate on that episode. And I do agree with Crocodile. If the WiiU port is in peril I dont see why we should assume the Vita one is 100% certain. And now that the Nintendo Switch has been announced and it is a console handheld hybrid thats launching in 5 months the more I see the WiiU and Vita being irrelevant in 2018. And Crocodile does bring up the precedent of past Kickstarter projects that have canceled other console versions offering refunds or an option to change your pledge for another version. Should Bloodstained cancel any port this is the way to do it. The only way you can achieve that without having people calling Iga scammer for failing to deliver on a promise and keeping their money. If you're savvy enough to Kickstart a spiritual successor of Castlevania in 2015 on WiiU chances are youre a hardcore gamer like all of us here and by the time BS launches in 2018 you probably are going to own a PC/MAC/Linux/PS4/XB1 to play this game on. Maybe even a Nintendo Switch, who knows! And Im dead serious on that podcast idea  |
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Post by spanishvanguardia on Oct 20, 2016 10:18:50 GMT -6
Happy to see the NX brought up in this topic.
I think that what's in Iga's mind is the opportunity of having Bloodstained as one of the early sWiitch releases. By the time Bloodstained is ready to be ported, would Nintendo still allow for Wii U releases?
I kinda wish he addressed this a little more... directly.
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Post by jboogieg on Oct 20, 2016 16:55:33 GMT -6
Well, how exactly would you want him to address it more directly?
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Post by allooutrick on Oct 20, 2016 18:00:09 GMT -6
www.engadget.com/amp/2015/06/11/unreal-engine-4-psvita-wiiu-bloodstained-port/ This article lists some of Armature (the company working on the Wii U and Vita ports) past accomplishments. I don't think we need to worry about them being unable to port it to begin with or the difficulty in updating the game down the road. Rather I think the reason Iga is unsure if a Wii U port will happen is because as some here have said. The system isn't selling well and will become irrelevant in 2018. If Iga continues development on the Wii U version there will be very little profit and they'll likely lose money for doing it. Because of that the only reason he has is to uphold a promise, which he may likely do.
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Post by Kitti_W on Oct 21, 2016 0:51:25 GMT -6
www.engadget.com/amp/2015/06/11/unreal-engine-4-psvita-wiiu-bloodstained-port/ This article lists some of Armature (the company working on the Wii U and Vita ports) past accomplishments. I don't think we need to worry about them being unable to port it to begin with or the difficulty in updating the game down the road. Rather I think the reason Iga is unsure if a Wii U port will happen is because as some here have said. The system isn't selling well and will become irrelevant in 2018. If Iga continues development on the Wii U version there will be very little profit and they'll likely lose by Advertise" style="z-index: 2147483647;"> money for doing it. Because of that the only reason he has is to uphold a promise, which he may likely do. Pretty much this. Armature is responsible for Wii U port, not Iga. By now, Iga should already paid certain amount to Armature in a contract that says something like "Take this by Advertise" style="z-index: 2147483647;"> money and make Wii U port happen". And as I've explained in detail in my earlier post in this thread, Armature can start working on MOST PART of the 'Wii U port' since May 2015 regardless of the main game's development progress (refer to my earlier post to see why). The problem is it'll be really ridiculous to produce Bloodstained physical copy for Wii U and put it by Advertise" style="z-index: 2147483647;"> in store shelves in 2018. Even the Nintendo Switch would be 1-year old by then. I think the best way to do this is to cancel the physical copy for Wii U version. Deliver only digital version. This will minimize the losses and Iga'll be able to keep his promise. |
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