Iga's Biggest Castle stretch goal: You want a second Castle?

Fair enough, but that doesn't mean they can't make it more unique. There's a lot of potential to expand on that original idea.

1) You will consider Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night smaller than Symphony of the Night if the whole game end up having 1600 rooms, since if you count the inverted castle of Symphony of the Night, that game has more than 1800? Thus, that would mean the Dev team didn't keep the promise of "Iga's Biggest Castle" Stretch goal?
if it is the same amount of space as SoTNs both castles, but completely different designs/no inverted castle, i'm fine.

2) Do you want Bloostained: Ritual of the Night to have a inverted castle, a second castle or something like that?
No, on the Inverted Castle statement. I figure I might be a major minority when it comes to this, but one of the reasons SoTN is not my favorite Castlevania of all time (has anti fire and pitchfork shield at Max) is soly because of the inverted castle. Sure it was probably revolutionary for the time, and the fact they managed to make the main castle be built in such a way it could be traversed upside down, now a days that would just be lazy. Not to mention restricting to the design of the main castle to ensure every room had a roof or closed off area of some kind which is just weird architecture and would stick out painfully, like a sore thumb with a hang nail and puss filled boil.

In regards to the second, sure? Honestly two completely different castles would be kinda cool if they came up with a creative way to explain the second castles existence. As well as find a way to connect both castles to one another some how, maybe venture into hell and the second 'castle' is the 9 Circles of Hell or something.

Though in all honesty I think I would prefer something more like OoE, an over world map, with various different areas with specific environmental themes. I loved investigating old mansions, mountains, forests, and the sunken ships in that game. Not needing to find a way to get it to fit within the castle it self wouldn't be a hassle if it was like that. not to mention I liked interacting with the towns people.

I feel like on a grand basis more people would support an inverted castle but in a message board setting it feels like it's not the case.

It sucks to me but it is what it is. You say it's an assumption to claim the second CASTLE would be less imaginative but I don't see how that's the case. They have to build TWO castles versus building one REALLY good one and flipping it with some cool changes sprinkled here and there. Which is easier? I don't imagine it being easy to make a 1600 room castle and then design an additional smaller castle. I think the inverted idea was just a cool flip on things. We have yet to experience that since SOTN, yet we keep getting an additional secret areas in each game which is ...cool but it never hit the specialness of the inverted one.

This reminds me of Order of Ecclesia. Was it cool that you ended up finding a castle in the end? Yeah but it was a poorly designed Castle. So to me, the reason inverted castle wins is because it's the main castle they spent the bulk of production designing, so flipping that promises a more meaningful playthrough then something that is very repetitive and more of an after thought.


It doesn't have to be the SAME EXACT idea but if they're gonna do something like that, I rather it be bold and very cool then something like... here's an extra demon realm.


ECHO CHAMBER COMMMENCEEE 

To each their own! It's already re-using a lot of ideas so I don't see the problem. As i've said there are unique ways to tackle old ideas and flesh them out so that they feel unique. It's not impossible.  I'm not against having just one REALLY good castle, I'm just saying any extension to the game thats done well is a good thing to me. 

The part of what made the inverted castle special was, it gave you a new set of enemies that were harder, some new environment hazards, and new bosses. That made it worthwhile to me, but even still it was on a more limited basis. So expanding all those things would be cool. 

I'm with CastleDan I really don't know where the hate for another castle is coming from... it has been talked about since the beginning (look in the FAQ). there will be no half hearted anything about the next, other, inverted or any kind of castle they are going to use because since the beginning it was part of the story... or so it seems. Iga wants to wow us and I believe he will, regardless of what method of castle he uses.

I don't understand why people are thinking a second castle is an "after thought". but I agree if it was an after thought I would not want it either, but I don't think that is the case, what ever the extra castle will be, it will be fleshed out and thoroughly thought through.

I've just read my comment and I have said just about everything here at one point or another in this thread, as have most of you... so this thread seems to be going in circles...

Oh here is something new... I don't think this has been talked about... in SotN Richter Belmont was being used by Shaft... I wonder who or what will be stronger and/or controlling Gebel.

EDIT: I give up on this thread

I feel like people are being too fanboy here. I don't see anyone 'hating' anything, and dismissing opposing views as an 'echo chamber' isn't cool either, and it doesn't suck to think differently than you. This thread's title is a question, people are attempting to answer it =/.

I remember that, when Bloodstained was annouced, IGA said that when he built the project, it wasn't like that. The main character was a male and the game would have scenarios all around the world, something like a hud-like game (like Lament of Innocence, where you have a main area with teleports to all other areas, but they would be all around the world). He said that this idea was to give more variety to the scenarios on a easy way and also to atract more investers, because that kind of game would be really easy to make DLC (you just add a new area and a teleport to reach there).  
When he knocked the Inti Creater's doors, among others, they said to him that he should do what he REALLY WANTED TO DO, and not do things to make easy money come in. And THEN he decided to change everything, and make the game inside a huge castle, and put a lead female (he personally wanted that, apparently, among other things i'm not going to discuss here). 

About a game with haunted mansions, forests, moutains and such, you can perfectly fit everything inside the castle walls. Gebel's Castle is a magical, demon castle whose logic can be twisted, as long as it doesn't make everything overly bizarre. I would love to see a huge backyard, within castle walls with a haunted mansion inside of it. Or a place where the walls sorround some moutains at one side, or you do have moutains INSIDE the castle, on a crazy realm of sorts. 
Portrait of Ruin had magical paintings with scenario variety. Symphony of the Night had a lot of crazy stuff inside the castle walls...You can do all that. Everything you guys said can be put inside the castle, without even breaking up the map, putting everything on a single, huge map with just some effort and creative thinking.

That's what i think, at least =)

I'm all aboard for a second castle, but just don't simply inverse it like in symphony, that's way simple and the surprise factor is nonexistent. A reflection castle in the water as some have mentioned could be very well done, but it would need something to make it stand out from the normal version, new mechanics to interact with the environment. Maybe seeing it's a reflection, like walls sometimes wobble like your reflection in water. Maybe something like in Dawn where in the standard castle you couldn't go through a wall, but in the mirrors that wall was gone. Basically just be different from what SoTN and HoD did. Also if this meant that it would only be a 1600 castle because it has an inverted castle then I would be against it. I would much rather see one full-fledged castle than 2 castles to accomplish the biggest castle stretch goal.

You've just made me want the "Reflected Castle" idea to become reality even more.

By the way, nice Ultima Weapon avatar. :3