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Post by Brainiac on Sept 7, 2018 11:14:54 GMT -6
The Zero series never actually uses the 22XX term, though. The equivalents are only canonically used in Classic (200X and 20XX) and X (21XX).
Honestly, if it really were a proper split timeline, I kinda would have preferred the original idea...X himself actually being the villain rather than a counterfeit.
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Post by Zechs on Sept 7, 2018 12:14:34 GMT -6
For Day of Sigma, there aren't a whole lot of inconsistencies present. We don't see Cain die (lots of anime characters fade when within explosions and survive). Sigma has become weary of humans and due to being infected with the Virus, led him down the path of choosing human destruction. Sigma has also been interested in X's potential.
For Zero's nightmare, it was only a forshadowing. A premonition since those developers were made aware of [Copy] X as the Z1 bad guy.
For Orbital Elevators, there are many. I would find it hard to imagine only 2 of them. That means the wouldn't be useful outside rotation range due to the planets spin. But no, I doubt the towers in the Zero series are Jakob or Babel.
Command Mission does follow X8 but it's not marked as if it is a divider between X8 and a potential X9. It does take place after but depending on what X9 and onward are, it could be placed after it all. X series takes place during 21XX and that can effectively span however long they need it.
Zero Series never states it's year marker. Source material does suggest but some that can be hard to define as certain due to the fanon that is present. Command Mission is in 22XX, albeit it would be early. Whereas Zero is potentially late 22XX or early 23XX. For the sake of discussion.
One thing to keep in mind is the art work defining the characters in X8 and Command Mission. Being more specific to represent what it leads to (the slender look of the Zero series). Though outside that, X8 defines Zero's character more due to the virus within his body. Confirmed by Sigma that Zero has been unintentionally spreading the virus. Which is a factor for him to seal himself away until the Virus is dealt with. So with that, X8 is less likely to be a tangent.
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Post by Scuttlest on Sept 7, 2018 12:45:22 GMT -6
On the subject of where Neo Arcadia is located, while true that it's never specified if you examine the cutscene in Z4 where Ragnarock fires at Neo Arcadia, the map is somewhat hard to get a good bead on but I think Neo Arcadia is somewhere around the Horn of Africa.
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Post by Galamoth on Sept 7, 2018 13:59:27 GMT -6
For Orbital Elevators, there are many. I would find it hard to imagine only 2 of them. That means the wouldn't be useful outside rotation range due to the planets spin. But no, I doubt the towers in the Zero series are Jakob or Babel. Zero Series never states it's year marker. Source material does suggest but some that can be hard to define as certain due to the fanon that is present. Command Mission is in 22XX, albeit it would be early. Whereas Zero is potentially late 22XX or early 23XX. For the sake of discussion. Can you identify OE's in the Zero-series time other than the former one located inside Neo Arcadia Tower? (Areas X-1 & X-2 are places reachable by it, not OE's themselves) ^ It's also worth mentioning that Jakob was the first and only one by X8's time, and that Babel in CM was only the second. While the Zero series never states the year it takes place (starts in), it can be inferred (with some difficulty) by the " 102 years later" statement. ...Also, while it's not quoted here, I'm going back to the points on "Day of Sigma". Dr. Cain just sits there looking he's accepted his fate while the explosion radius covers the facility he's in (which would mean the Repliforce would never be commissioned later on), and Sigma's entire motivation for rebelling against humanity had to do with X's limitless potential rather than ever being infected by a computer virus. There's also a much smaller inconsistency/attempted retcon having to do with how Sigma got his signature scars; that being X caused them in "Day of Sigma", rather than from a crazed malfunctioning Zero the "Sigma vs. Zero" cutscene in X4. ^ The only game in the X-series that MHX (PSP) is remotely consistent with X8, where Sigma is clearly shown to be obsessed with the evolution of Reploids (when encountering him as X).
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Post by Zechs on Sept 7, 2018 16:48:16 GMT -6
I'd have to play them but given the time between Zero and later X series they would have come and gone. I also don't recall Jakob being the first OE. Just a notable one courtesy of Lumine.
But I recall some background images might contain some other towers when ascending Area X. In Z1 or Z3. There might be a visual in Z2 due to Yggdrasil and where the other part of Dark Elf is but I could be mistaken on Z2 at least. But they are gone from anything in Z4. If only because Z4 was originally an in-between story between Z2 and Z3 if I recall. So there was no need for them. Unless there was a tower that led to a server in Z4 that led to Ragnarok. But I'd have to replay them.
As for Day of Sigma, we cannot assume what we saw was deffinitive. Cain wasn't killed prior X1 but was absent in X1 and debuted physically in X2. The missile would have hurt Cain and left him away in a hospital while X hunted Sigma. Also prior and post missle frames show smaller crators from the impact. Not all where buildings were. Though I could stress anime using vaporizing visuals to represent force moving light from beams, explosions or energy to emphasize the light concentration but isn't deffinitive for all being destroyed in the process.
Also the virus had already infected Sigma. Since he was Cain's most advanced circuitry at the time led to Sigma not being immune to infection like originally suspected. But it took a while for it to get to him. Once it took hold it gave Sigma the push he needed. X's potential is a last straw kind of thing. How could Cain talk so highly of X when he constructed Sigma to be the most advanced. Kind of like disregarding Sigma for something else knowing his advancement.
But aside from that we knew Zero did damage to Sigma's face, but if that damage was critical, then half of Sigma's face would be purple. Instead of the eyes. DoS gives a irreversible reason for those damages. He couldn't repair then after his coup. But it also gave him a mark of who he is now.
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Post by Galamoth on Sept 8, 2018 11:50:06 GMT -6
^But did you see any definitive signs within Day of Sigma, or within the MHX game itself, that Sigma was in-fact infected by a virus? It should be noted that, since they are Reploids (meaning they have free will inherent), they don't necessarily need a virus to decide to rebel.
And how do we know for sure that Zero damaged Sigma's face previously when there's no indication of that in DoS? That's clearly contradicted by showing us it's X who gave Sigma his scars.
When they show something like that, and neither show nor mention other events that have been depicted before, it's going to give a strong impression of an attempt at retconning.
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Post by Zechs on Sept 8, 2018 14:06:39 GMT -6
He was infected prior DoS. When Zero was uncovered months prior X1, Sigma had to deal with Zero. But there are 2 ways to look at their confrontational: New is the Virus leaked from the capsule Zero was within. Old is Zero had the Virus within his body and transfered the Virus upon damaged. Either way, Sigma and Zero fought. Sigma and Zero were infected by the virus. The virus created to patch a cognitive error within Zero. But it festered within Sigma. It caused more cognition within Zero, allowing him to join the Hunters. But Sigma has always had doubt of humans. It's within The Journal of Dr. Cain. megaman.wikia.com/wiki/The_Journal_of_Dr._CainSince this all took place prior DoS, he would have concealed his motives. His demeanor changes between meetings with Cain and other subordinates. But since Sigma was Cain's most advanced circuitry they assumed he was immune. Since he was infected, the virus spread rampant and cause the virus outbreak within mechanoloids and reploids. Sigma used this when connecting to the mechanoloid in DoS. It wasn't uncommon for them to go berserk. His chat with X came off as less Hunter and more turned Sigma. The virus just slowly amplified his discontent for humanity. As with question why humans (Cain) favor X (daddy issues with Cain?). As for Sigma's face, that happened months prior DoS. His arm was repaired as well if you note. So the damages Sigma got from Zero were repaired because he was the Hunter Leader. He got special care. When he got hurt by X, that was past the point of no return so those marks remained. And became iconic. It does seem like weak retconning. But X4 was not specific over that cut scene when in the past it took place. That is lazy writing. So the retcon might be simply giving more info instead of a lack. Which is prominant within this franchise. It does take more than a virus to make a reploids go Maverick. But Sigma knew he was infected or that something was giving him the push he needed. For it is a lot easier when you feel in the right and powerful to trigger a war with humanity and their sympathizers. But there are other reasons for going Maverick, like you mentioned. But that's for a later part of this discussion.
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Post by BalancedHydra on Nov 14, 2018 17:30:42 GMT -6
Not related to the collection but this pretty cool.
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