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Well, they need all the money they can get, but yeah, it was intended up front to work natively and when Mac and Linux backers pledged money it was with that understanding.

The only way I'd agree with a "no" vote is because I'm sure refunds are impossible without opening up refunds to all other PC backers as well. That would be very irresponsible of the team and lead to disaster.

To clarify that I indeed think they do deserve a refund I need to clarify why I would agree with "no";

Yes they deserve a refund morally. 100%
No they can't legally get a refund. At this point that sucks, but it's works out because,
No they can't get a refund without opening it to all PC backers which would be a disaster.

The average backer paid over 80 bucks, so think of how many people would be getting a refund and multiply. Then consider the KS fees, tax, etc. All that money would have to be removed from the existing budget, so they would pretty much be forced to stop where they are or greatly reduce development time.

I totally think that if it was possible to refund the money to only the Linux and Mac backers it would have been done. The evidence is that it was done for Vita since 505 has been involved. The difference this time is that when choosing a platform selection, PC backers were only given the options for Steam or GoG. I verified this with one of the Linux backers who said it was understandable because Steam can mean Linux and required no further question to Fangamer about why it wasn't broken out into the various platforms. It wasn't an issue until native support development became a problem, and by then it was too late to re-open platform selections. I haven't seen 505 say that none of this was untrue or deny this theory. It doesn't conflict with anything they said. Although I will always believe these people deserve their money back if they don't want to try it on WINE or some other tool, I do believe that 505 is forced to make this decision, as otherwise it would harm the quality of the final game.

Exploring that particular opinion about not backing isn't helpful in any way. Hindsight is 20/20, and it's unnecessary to argue against it when at this point they wish they wouldn't have anyway. So let's just ignore that particular opinion. It isn't helpful.

Jph, double posting clutters the forum and is part of our rules. I'm not threatening you, I'm simply performing my responsibility.

Your speculation is that backer dollars are not already used.

Your attitude is not fitting for civil discussion. You have made your points and I don't agree with them. I hope that if you decide to remain here that your criticisms will be constructive. Otherwise it's best you move on.

Welcome back. The response you are quoting is specifically addressing the legal reasons they are not required to refund money, not the reasons they can't refund the money, which the popular theory addresses.

browren it's not hypocritical at all. You are failing to understand that if the popular theory is correct (which is the only one that makes sense) it would be highly irresponsible for them to open up refunds when they have no way to limit it to those who deserve it such as yourself. It's simply an obvious decision at that point, and everyone's job is to make sure this project is seen through to the highest level of completion possible.

Bro, with your avatar insult to the devs, and your continuing arguing, I fear you are going to force me to ask you to leave. Please don't make me do that. I want you to stay here, and when the day finally comes I want you playing on wine and being a member of this community. Just take a break for a bit. Sorry, man.

dareka that is a God tier reply and I retract my sentiments about any part of the team making this decision from a mortally questionable standpoint.

I feel I have a certain self imposed responsibility as a community advocate. That comes with listening to everyone, and in this case I not only heard people's pleas for a refund, but for unaffected backers in agreement with them. Naturally, this made quite a few backers understandably angry. When I didn't hear a reason from 505 Games that made me understand why refunds weren't possible I just kinda fell in with those who are upset and assumed this decision not to refund a relatively small number of affected backers was morally questionable.

Your reply highlights some really good points there.

If refunds were possible, they would do them. No one wants the bad PR on any side.

That means for some reason refunds are not possible, and for some reason they won't come right on out and say exactly why. I think many people have figured out why though, which has been mentioned a few times in various places. My backer choices are locked for what platform I'm on, so I can't confirm it, but was there ever a time these backers actually chose the Mac or Linux platform? I don't recall it being an option in the list. The whole reason might very well be that they would have to open refunds to every PC backer, and that would just be very irresponsible and a decision that is obviously correct to refuse to pay refunds. It's the only thing that makes sense. I have no idea why they wouldn't just come out and say that is what happened. Ownership and accountability is a quality I expect from all involved companies, but if they haven't said why then there is probably a reason we can't see in public.

I wish someone would, because I hope that it would make those affected understand that it's not just an evil corporation money thing, and it would help those backers like me who sympathize so much to understand as well. In the end though, it doesn't change the fact that there will be no refund for Linux and Mac backers, so what ever reason they have for holding on to that must not outweigh this benefit.

Long story short, I formally apologize for insinuating that a morally questionable decision was made. Thanks Dareka.

Your links aren't working. Just say what ya want us to know.

I am disappointed that 505 Games will not refund the small percentage of Mac and Linux backers that want a refund instead of switching to a different platform or who are willing to accept the idea of using a tool to play the game on their system. I would like to think those alternatives would cover the majority of those who backed for those platforms, but there are obviously around a dozen or so people who would rather just have a refund all together.

I hope not much development resources were spent on these platforms, as there are a loss at this point.

To the backers that demand refunds and will not be playing the game:

I understand your anger and frustration. However, if you are not going to play the game, your business in the community is concluded if your only reason for sticking around is venting your frustration by being disrespectful to our staff. I honestly hope you will change your mind and play on another platform. You are also free to remain here to campaign for a refund so long as you do so with respect. I do not like banning people. I do not like silencing people. It is our responsibility to cultivate a healthy community, and although this dark smudge will persist, I don't think it serves the rest of the community who will remain here to endure the posts of people who are only here to bad mouth the team. If you find yourself typing something that can be judged as a snide remark, consider respectfully and quietly leaving, and do so with my personal respect and apology that this mess happened to you.

I'm all for a refund for Mac and Linux backers, but I gotta tell ya that after seeing that is so few people who have actually backed for those platforms, development resources do not need to be wasted on making a game on a platform that will only have a handful of people playing on it.

I understand this poll doesn't capture everyone, but compared to the other polls I've seen here, this really puts some perspective on why this decision was made. At this point I hope they never wasted a single day developing for Mac or Linux.