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Post by thrashinuva on Mar 6, 2016 19:49:27 GMT -6
I had a pretty good laugh when I read Attack on Titan and Parasyte weren't filled with obnoxious tropes (Because they totally were) If we're talking tropes as in common story telling practices, then it's hard to not ever use them, since they've been around since books started getting written. However, in terms of anime otaku tropes, those two have significantly less than a large amount of anime. While we're talking about Dimension W we might as well use that to compare. Slight spoilers to anyone who hasn't started it yet. It has a young girl robot who happens to have feelings, and a main character who happens to have a past the connects with a lot of the background elements in the current setting. It's filled with overdone plot devices that have been used commonly within the past 10 years within the very same genre, in the same form of media, from the same country, and likely from the same sources. I haven't finished it, though I plan to. I'm not trying to say that it's a bad anime, but when you compare it to something like AoT, AoT looks a lot more original. Sure AoT has some common plot devices in it, such as the young soldiers are put on the front lines due to the cowardice in their leaders and their people, and the main character having some hidden past connection some background elements, but beyond that it doesn't extend very far. What took everyone by storm was the permanence and shocking events of important character deaths from the very first episode. It continued to produce things that threw the audience for a loop. One of my favorite things that threw everyone for a loop was Guillotine Gorilla in Samurai Flamenco. When it happened, so many people were talking about it, no one expected it, and in that respect it could have been called something truly original. I wish the rest of it had delivered the same amount of impact as that one scene, though I also wish more people had given it a chance at the time.
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Post by crocodile on Mar 6, 2016 22:26:38 GMT -6
I had a pretty good laugh when I read Attack on Titan and Parasyte weren't filled with obnoxious tropes (Because they totally were) If we're talking tropes as in common story telling practices, then it's hard to not ever use them, since they've been around since books started getting written. However, in terms of anime otaku tropes, those two have significantly less than a large amount of anime. While we're talking about Dimension W we might as well use that to compare. Slight spoilers to anyone who hasn't started it yet. It has a young girl robot who happens to have feelings, and a main character who happens to have a past the connects with a lot of the background elements in the current setting. It's filled with overdone plot devices that have been used commonly within the past 10 years within the very same genre, in the same form of media, from the same country, and likely from the same sources. I haven't finished it, though I plan to. I'm not trying to say that it's a bad anime, but when you compare it to something like AoT, AoT looks a lot more original. Sure AoT has some common plot devices in it, such as the young soldiers are put on the front lines due to the cowardice in their leaders and their people, and the main character having some hidden past connection some background elements, but beyond that it doesn't extend very far. What took everyone by storm was the permanence and shocking events of important character deaths from the very first episode. It continued to produce things that threw the audience for a loop. One of my favorite things that threw everyone for a loop was Guillotine Gorilla in Samurai Flamenco. When it happened, so many people were talking about it, no one expected it, and in that respect it could have been called something truly original. I wish the rest of it had delivered the same amount of impact as that one scene, though I also wish more people had given it a chance at the time. Sure, if you're specifically talking about like panty shots or other silliness then yes, AoT and Parasyte don't have much if any of that sort of stuff. I was more talking about how Parastye is a pastiche of Spiderman + The Thing with terribly written female characters (with one exception), a clumsy environmental message and a healthy dose of melodrama. Or how, Attack on Titan also cranks up the melodrama up to 11, loses all sense of pacing after the 1st major "twist" stuff, has your "my blood boils with rage" and kind of dumb protagonist, etc. I can't say your breakdown of Dimension W is wrong, I'd agree with a lot of your points/critiques. I disagree though that AoT was particularly original (its basically a zombie TV series where the zombies are gigantic). I think its success has a lot to do with bombast, a false sense of "maturity" and a very strong opening. The first episodes trick you into thinking this is a show with very real stakes and while I'd agree that it still sets itself as more dangerous than other shonen shows, it quickly reveals its own cowardice by not committing to some the stunts it pulled. Then it goes on to suffer from weak characterization, awful pacing, etc. that plague many other shonen shows. With regards to Samurai Flamenco, that show was just kind of a mess. I don't want to say outright bad but I'm not sure it ever found itself - kept swtiching up the tone and motifs in a way I didn't feel was organic. That's just my opinion on it though. I know some people who really enjoyed it.
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Post by zoned87 on Mar 7, 2016 1:38:27 GMT -6
They would likely ignore it anyway much like the whaling ban.
The UN is pretty much powerless unless the country in question agrees.
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Post by thrashinuva on Mar 7, 2016 13:17:57 GMT -6
With regards to Samurai Flamenco, that show was just kind of a mess. I don't want to say outright bad but I'm not sure it ever found itself - kept swtiching up the tone and motifs in a way I didn't feel was organic. That's just my opinion on it though. I know some people who really enjoyed it. No I completely agree. I just think there was a glimmer of hope for the show, that it didn't take hold of. Guillotine Gorilla was a high turning point followed by a great episode, but immediately after that episode it really fell flat. I think that was sort of their intention, but they succeeded too well in that effort.
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