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Post by Ixbran on Oct 3, 2016 0:24:36 GMT -6
I would love to see amiibo for bloodstained but I would find it very unlikely that they actually released amiibo for the game because of the huge lack of 3rd party amiibo. If you look at all amiibo realised up to date the only 3rd party amiibo is the shovel knight amiibo (at least the only 3rd party amiibo that I'm aware of). Another reason that it is unlikely that amiibo is realised for bloodstained is the actual function of the amiibo, (other then looking absolutely fabulous of course) because if they did add some extra content for the amiibo it would have to be exclusively for the wii u (or NX) meaning if you have a copy of the game on any other system you can't get this extra content, but if the extra content was something like a new costume or something along those lines then I don't see much of a problem with having that exclusively for the wii u. But that all being said it would be amazing to have a miriam amiibo. They could do for a Mriiam amiibo the same they did with a shovel knight amiibo. the shovel knight amiibo unlocks bonus content like armor, some extra modes, customizable armor, and the ability for two players to play co-op on the Wii U version. since Bloodstained is going multiplatform, do what shovel Knight did and have it so each version has something unique to that system. Xbox version of shovel Knight got a battle toads boss, why not let Miriam fight a halo alien as a secret boss? the PS3 version of shovel Knight got Kratos as a secret boss fight, in the sony versions of Bloodstained have her fight against something from one of the IPs used in PSASBR. The Wii U, and possibly NX, versions of Bloodstained could feature amiibo compatibility that lets you unlock special abilities, armor, weapons, and costumes based on the amiibo character being used. Link amiibo: unlocks the master sword. Plautena amiibo: unlocks her white robe as a costume. the Bayonetta amiibo: unlocks Love is Blue guns. ZSSamus amiibo: unlocks the jet boot weapons. ect, ect, ect.
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Post by crocodile on Oct 3, 2016 1:35:19 GMT -6
Yes. It could be a SMAAAAASHING opportunity for Nintendo, and for IGA/Inticreates.No, it wouldn't be. If porting costs more than pocket change, they'd be channeling a chunk of their development time/money to gamble on an unreleased console. Hell, even if Nintendo covered the costs, it'd still be a bad call as IGA would need to add and manage more people, increasing the chances of a screw-up in the process. Additionally, I genuinely hope that IGA would never even consider something like an amiibo, as it is one of the most malicious practices the gaming industry has ever seen. A) Well the thread is like 9 months old but now that Bloodstained has been delayed it has no chance of making the NX launch anyway (it never did honestly but that's besides the point now) so we should shift to conversation to "will a NX version ever exist" (I say this to everyone). The decision to make a NX version of Bloodstained will be made after the machine is out, everyone knows its capabilities and its had some months of sales under its belt so people can see its trajectory. It would be an informed decision, not a blind one. I would also think fate of an NX version will in part be influenced by whether or not they decide to cancel the Wii U version of the game. It's hard to justify a Wii U release in 2018 and I could easily envision a scenario where the Wii U version is cut in favor for an NX version, especially if the later is easier to do as a result of say native UE4 support. B) I dunno how anybody can say with a straight face that Amiibo rank even among the top 100 "most malicious" practices of the modern video gaming industry. You don't have to like them or care about them but let's not engage in hyperbole IF amiibo are thing a thing in 18 months and IF Bloodstained takes off ala Shovel Knight I don't think they are going to be hesitant about making Bloodstained related amiibos because it was "too malicious".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 2:04:19 GMT -6
Well the thread is like 9 months old but now that Bloodstained has been delayed it has no chance of making the NX launch anyway (it never did honestly but that's besides the point now) so we should shift to conversation to "will a NX version ever exist" (I say this to everyone). The decision to make a NX version of Bloodstained will be made after the machine is out, everyone knows its capabilities and its had some months of sales under its belt so people can see its trajectory. It would be an informed decision, not a blind one. I would also think fate of an NX version will in part be influenced by whether or not they decide to cancel the Wii U version of the game. It's hard to justify a Wii U release in 2018 and I could easily envision a scenario where the Wii U version is cut in favor for an NX version, especially if the later is easier to do as a result of say native UE4 support. Thread should be renamed if you want to take the conversation in that direction. That aside, I completely agree that NX decision should be made after those waters have been tested. It's not a hyperbole. It is an incredibly malicious practice in terms of how anti-customer it is, not in terms of how much damage it did to the market/industry. Tying DLC to a physical product is a horrible by itself, but Ninty had to take it a step further by playing with supply.
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Post by LeoLeWolferoux on Oct 3, 2016 2:22:00 GMT -6
Yes. It could be a SMAAAAASHING opportunity for Nintendo, and for IGA/Inticreates.No, it wouldn't be. If porting costs more than pocket change, they'd be channeling a chunk of their development time/money to gamble on an unreleased console. Hell, even if Nintendo covered the costs, it'd still be a bad call as IGA would need to add and manage more people, increasing the chances of a screw-up in the process. Additionally, I genuinely hope that IGA would never even consider something like an amiibo, as it is one of the most malicious practices the gaming industry has ever seen. Or it could have the opposite effect and it could create more drive for the NX. What makes a system, Nya? Games. Ultimately, a large chunk of how a system will be received will be what games are for it. At least in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 3:00:53 GMT -6
Or it could have the opposite effect and it could create more drive for the NX. What makes a system, Nya? Games. Ultimately, a large chunk of how a system will be received will be what games are for it. At least in my opinion. What opposite effect? I said it's a gamble, not that the outcome would be good or bad, although the odds would be stacked against IGA in this scenario. Making versions for 2 Nintendo home consoles would result in a minimal sales increase as the playerbases for the consoles (will) largely overlap, meaning IGA could easily end up losing money on the extra version. Now tell me, why would IGA do that? Why would he risk dev money just to help move the NX? NX version on launch is completely unreasonable and so is post-launch if the NX is backwards compatible (unless Nintendo pays for the port).
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Post by Ixbran on Oct 3, 2016 22:12:54 GMT -6
Well, again, they made an amiibo for shovel Knight and it turned out just fine, and considering the fact all amiibo are compatible to the majority of Nintendo games to some extent, in either unlocking extra in-game money, forging material, weapon drops, or anything else related to the games content, I see that amiibo compatibility for the Wii U, and possibly NX, versions of RiTN could benefit players.
you don't lose anything if you dont have the amiibo, but if you happen to have some then you get some benifits.
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Post by LeoLeWolferoux on Oct 3, 2016 22:37:57 GMT -6
No, it wouldn't be. If porting costs more than pocket change, they'd be channeling a chunk of their development time/money to gamble on an unreleased console. Hell, even if Nintendo covered the costs, it'd still be a bad call as IGA would need to add and manage more people, increasing the chances of a screw-up in the process. Additionally, I genuinely hope that IGA would never even consider something like an amiibo, as it is one of the most malicious practices the gaming industry has ever seen. Or it could have the opposite effect and it could create more drive for the NX. What makes a system, Nya? Games. Ultimately, a large chunk of how a system will be received will be what games are for it. At least in my opinion. This. And we KNOW that Bloodstained will be a good game. I think it would be a good investment for Nintendo, since the Wii U was a failure, they really need to do their best to promote the NX as much as possible. I just don't see it as a 'gamble' as you humbly say, or as a 'bad call' as you truly say.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 23:37:30 GMT -6
Well, again, they made an amiibo for shovel Knight and it turned out just fine, and considering the fact all amiibo are compatible to the majority of Nintendo games to some extent, in either unlocking extra in-game money, forging material, weapon drops, or anything else related to the games content, I see that amiibo compatibility for the Wii U, and possibly NX, versions of RiTN could benefit players. you don't lose anything if you dont have the amiibo, but if you happen to have some then you get some benifits.Oh, hahaha. I'm sure Nintendo loves customers like you. No, it wouldn't be. If porting costs more than pocket change, they'd be channeling a chunk of their development time/money to gamble on an unreleased console. Hell, even if Nintendo covered the costs, it'd still be a bad call as IGA would need to add and manage more people, increasing the chances of a screw-up in the process. Additionally, I genuinely hope that IGA would never even consider something like an amiibo, as it is one of the most malicious practices the gaming industry has ever seen. Or it could have the opposite effect and it could create more drive for the NX. What makes a system, Nya? Games. Ultimately, a large chunk of how a system will be received will be what games are for it. At least in my opinion. This. And we KNOW that Bloodstained will be a good game. I think it would be a good investment for Nintendo, since the Wii U was a failure, they really need to do their best to promote the NX as much as possible. I just don't see it as a 'gamble' as you humbly say, or as a 'bad call' as you truly say. Oh, ok, I see the problem. The section in bold wasn't referring to this kind of scenario being a bad call for Nintendo, rather IGA. For Nintendo, throwing money at this project would definitely be a good idea.
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Post by miketendo on Oct 4, 2016 20:48:25 GMT -6
What I'm hoping is that we are given the option to upgrade to the NX from the Wii U. Not that I wouldn't play it on my Wii U...I'd just rather play on newer hardware. Plus it'd give me an excuse to buy an NX
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Post by Scars Unseen on Oct 5, 2016 1:29:40 GMT -6
you don't lose anything if you dont have the amiibo, but if you happen to have some then you get some benifits. Those two statements cannot both be true. Either content requires the amiibo to access, and it creates a system of haves and have-nots tied to physical merchandise with historically abysmal availability, or there is no content tied to the amiibo, and you end up with a nice collectible for your figure shelf.
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Post by Ixbran on Oct 5, 2016 3:22:07 GMT -6
you don't lose anything if you dont have the amiibo, but if you happen to have some then you get some benifits. Those two statements cannot both be true. Either content requires the amiibo to access, and it creates a system of haves and have-nots tied to physical merchandise with historically abysmal availability, or there is no content tied to the amiibo, and you end up with a nice collectible for your figure shelf. Let me re-phrase it then as after re-reading it it was obvious I was unclear. amiibo are not required/mandatory in order to beat/complete a game. the content they unlock, depending on the game, are completely optional. So not having an amiibo you do not miss out on anything important. While having an amiibo grants you some bonus's. I apologize for not being clearer with my previous explanation.
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Post by ReySol on Oct 5, 2016 5:01:02 GMT -6
I dont understand why everyone thinks Wii U version should be cancelled or that it does not make sense to publish Wii U version of the game in 2018. It is not like everyone who has Wii U will throw it in trash - there will probably be more homes with Wii U than this new NX, whatever that might be. I dont think Wii U failed a lot, just a bit because of the name of the console. Most people thought it was just an accessory for Wii. Many casual gamers are satisfied just with mobile games (whoch I cannot understand, touch controls can be really bad). Wii U has very nice games if you like what Nintendo usually makes. If you are not Nintendo fan, there are consoles from Sony and Microsoft available. During the Kickstarter campaign, many gamers and Iga fans supported the project for the Wii U version, and as it was part of the campaign, I am sure it will be made. I look forward to that version the most! I will probably have NX, too, one day and if there are options to make this version as well, they can make it and it will be a good thing!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 5:51:31 GMT -6
Those two statements cannot both be true. Either content requires the amiibo to access, and it creates a system of haves and have-nots tied to physical merchandise with historically abysmal availability, or there is no content tied to the amiibo, and you end up with a nice collectible for your figure shelf. Let me re-phrase it then as after re-reading it it was obvious I was unclear. amiibo are not required/mandatory in order to beat/complete a game. the content they unlock, depending on the game, are completely optional. So not having an amiibo you do not miss out on anything important. While having an amiibo grants you some bonus's. I apologize for not being clearer with my previous explanation. You weren't unclear, your argument was completely nonsensical and now you're trying to rectify it by attaching a subjective value (importance) to it, making the entire argument void. The other point that you bring up, that being that the DLC is not mandatory, is completely redundant to the discussion. If the content wasn't optional, it would be considered a part of the main product. What Scars said still stands.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Oct 5, 2016 8:09:32 GMT -6
Ixbran The problem isn't whether the content would be core to the game or not; the problem is one of availability. You're talking about content created with the money we contributed that is potentially unavailable due to limited supply of physical merchandise. Imagine if a developer put out DLC on Steam, but only made it available to the first 1000 people who bought it. What the DLC is isn't really important; the problem is that they are artificially limiting access to digital content. It's bullshit when it comes in the form of pre-order bonuses and store exclusives, but at least in those cases, anyone who wanted the content had the opportunity to get it(sometimes less so with store exclusives, but I consider that to be an abhorrent practice anyway). Historically this has not been the case with Amiibos. To be clear, I'm not even really a fan of the idea of backer exclusive digital content. At least in that case though, there is a logic behind the move in that the people who gained access to it did so by directly contributing to making the game possible. With the Amiibo-tied content, the limitation ends up being people who either got lucky or were willing to pay through the nose to scalpers.
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Post by Redogan on Oct 5, 2016 18:11:46 GMT -6
If there is an NX release, then I would favor that over the Wii U version (depending on what the NX actually is). That being said, I'm not sure how I feel about a possible Wii U version cancellation. The problem would be for those who do not get an NX, but still have a Wii U--and want the Wii U version. Those backers would just be screwed if the Wii U version were cancelled.
I'm set up for a digital version for Wii U right now. I would change that over to a NX digital version if that option becomes available. But not everyone wants to do that. I suppose they could cancel the Wii U version if EVERY single backer who put down that they wanted a Wii U version changed over to the NX version. Not sure if that will happen....
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Post by BalancedHydra on Oct 5, 2016 18:55:13 GMT -6
I suppose they could cancel the Wii U version if EVERY single backer who put down that they wanted a Wii U version changed over to the NX version. Not sure if that will happen.... Not likely. The odds of that happening are like winning the multi million jackpot.
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Post by Goobsausage on Oct 5, 2016 19:49:38 GMT -6
There's only two things we can do: wait and see.
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Post by crocodile on Oct 5, 2016 23:00:19 GMT -6
A) The only amiibo I have is the Shovel Knight amiibo because it is cute and I wanted another way to give Yacht Club Games money without buying another copy of the game. I can't say I really care about the additional content and I have a hard time really caring in the grand scheme of the video game industry. When you have developers doing things like straight up lying to their consumer base (*cough* No Man's Sky *cough*), getting upset about some alt colors or a power-up tied to a mini-statue is *shrug*. The content on the amiibo is just not a big enough deal (putting aside many amiibo are usable for multiple games).
B) Since its clear IGA is already considering it, they should probably drop the Wii U version of the game for an NX version as soon as they get a devkit for the latter and have some familiarity with it (assuming NX doesn't bomb right out of the gate). Anyone who pledged for the Wii U version can get a NX code or a refund if they aren't getting a NX. In terms of opportunity cost, how well that version of a game may sell to the general public and how easy UE4 would be to use with the NX, it almost certainly makes sense to focus on future generations rather than past ones.
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Post by Ixbran on Oct 5, 2016 23:14:51 GMT -6
There's only two things we can do: wait and see. I was planning on getting an NX some time later anyway, though given the financial issues my family are going through it's going to be hard. I might have to start saving up for the game, and an NX, right now so i'll have the money for both by the time theyre released. I was really looking forward to playing this on my Wii U alongside Bayonetta 1/2, smash bros, and my many Zelda games. That and all the bonus wii U features they promised, like having your Mii in-game and the ability to mark the map with the game pad, were going to be nice to have. but yeah, all we can do is wait and see what happens.
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