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Post by crocodile on Jan 6, 2016 20:17:45 GMT -6
Some people on neogaf don't seem to be impressed. Dog have an account there so my response. Response: are you people blind? This is vastly better vidually than mighty no 9 and it looks almost exactly like concept art but is an actual character model. It's also a character model that will be much smaller in game so it will look even nicer. Some people have TOO high of expectations. This is a great direction to go in. Glad everyone loves it here though! That's what mattdrs Neogaf is Sony fanboy central. The site is a joke IMO. Bloodstained isn't an exclusive so naturally they will be harder on it. Neogaf isn't a hivemind with a singular opinion nor does it stan for any one console. Some people there love what they see and some people don't, that's just normal for any large population. If I had to generalize, I'd say a lot of people there are super down on Mighty No 9 and I think that Bloodstained is taking a bit of the heat to for that. As long as the visuals continue to improve though, I'm sure more and more people will turn around for it.
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Post by thrashinuva on Jan 6, 2016 20:22:49 GMT -6
I feel as if someone took exactly what I asked for and made it. I love this picture so much. I'm glad the devs love it because it looks like we do too.
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Post by Apollonian on Jan 6, 2016 20:44:11 GMT -6
Some people on neogaf don't seem to be impressed. Dog have an account there so my response. Response: are you people blind? This is vastly better vidually than mighty no 9 and it looks almost exactly like concept art but is an actual character model. It's also a character model that will be much smaller in game so it will look even nicer. Some people have TOO high of expectations. This is a great direction to go in. Glad everyone loves it here though! That's what mattdrs I think they are entitled to their opinion. All too often around here I see people who are disrespectful when it comes to differing opinions. I am not saying that you are that type of person mind you, I actually respect you and agree with you quite often, but I think we need to keep an open mind and be careful to make sure everyone feels welcome here. As for my opinion on this I have none. While I like the look of it, it has no background and the picture is framed oddly so even though it only shows the character model it barely shows it. I am optimistic though but I can't say anything till I see more of it.
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Post by gunlord500 on Jan 6, 2016 20:52:54 GMT -6
I confess I was worried when they didn't get a second December update, but this one has allayed my fears significantly. They're really listening to the backers and fans, which is great! Seems I was foolish to have doubted IGA even for a moment. Things definitely look to be well on track with this sort of dedication, the new shader looks very nice Now, the thing is the background will need a good deal more work and details to look appealing, but I'm sure that's something that will come eventually
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Post by XombieMike on Jan 6, 2016 21:04:59 GMT -6
Throwing shade at NeoGAF is only going to begin sowing negativity that no one needs. If someone doesn't like this preview then they are encouraged to let their opinions be known in mass. They need to do it in a place where the development team can respond to their constructive criticisms. There's no need for us to start chewing on them or each other.
That said, yeah... how can anyone not like this? Is it perfect? Nah, the crystals need to look less like a tattoo and more like an affliction, and we still don't know what's up with that extra clothing on her shoulder, but otherwise it's totally amazing!
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Post by thrashinuva on Jan 6, 2016 21:18:19 GMT -6
I wanna put up the original art real quick to compare to what this is: IMO is so close to the art it's exciting.
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Post by CastleDan on Jan 6, 2016 21:32:12 GMT -6
I wanna put up the original art real quick to compare to what this is: IMO is so close to the art it's exciting. It's not about throwing shade at neogaf. It's just THST there's some bizarre things being said. You look at the concept art and then this model and they're so close to nailing the actual look of the concept art. To say it looks like another mighty no 9 when it's getting the look of the actual art is straight up weird to me. I'm all for criticisms to help the devs, I've been doing plenty of thAt but this is spot on to the art. Why the hate?
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Post by Redogan on Jan 6, 2016 21:50:39 GMT -6
This update is awesome. The look is amazing!
(On a side note: I love Miriam's hair. My youngest daughter has the exact same hair except Miriam's changes color as it gets to the end. My daughter's is sandy blonde from roots to ends. But the style is the same. My daughter's hair is straight until below her ears and then it gets naturally curly/wavy. She's two and a half.)
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Post by Motoko on Jan 6, 2016 21:51:16 GMT -6
This video sums up how I feel:
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
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Post by Cale on Jan 6, 2016 22:10:18 GMT -6
That said, yeah... how can anyone not like this? Is it perfect? Nah, the crystals need to look less like a tattoo and more like an affliction, and we still don't know what's up with that extra clothing on her shoulder, but otherwise it's totally amazing! I didn't want to attract attention to the shoulder thing because everyone was happy for an update; that being said, I too am still puzzled if it will remain, I am hoping for bare shoulder for final product.
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Post by Artemisian on Jan 6, 2016 22:24:57 GMT -6
There are definitely some improvements. The major issue I had was the stained glass, which they unfortunately did not address. It looks nothing like it, again, it looks like she just has tattoos. I hope that is changed considering the whole game is basically based on the fact she is turning glassy. Also, whatever about the bust size, they will make it what they want to make it, but her right breast looks flat.. Perhaps it is just the angle, but honestly, it looks like they made the armor stick out to match the left side but did nothing to the breast, so it looks a little silly. And a very small complaint is that her horn crystal things look like plastic.
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Post by Apollonian on Jan 6, 2016 22:30:57 GMT -6
There are definitely some improvements. The major issue I had was the stained glass, which they unfortunately did not address. It looks nothing like it, again, it looks like she just has tattoos. I hope that is changed considering the whole game is basically based on the fact she is turning glassy. Also, whatever about the bust size, they will make it what they want to make it, but her right breast looks flat.. Perhaps it is just the angle, but honestly, it looks like they made the armor stick out to match the left side but did nothing to the breast, so it looks a little silly. And a very small complaint is that her horn crystal things look like plastic. It is still early so hopefully they can get the glass to look like glass. As for the horn ornaments I completely agree although with the character model's size ingame we may not even be able to see it tbh. I would assume there would be closeups/cutscenes of some kind though so it would be nice for that to be adjusted. Gotta wonder why they cropped the image the way they did. I wonder if there was a slight issue with the horns.
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Post by CastleDan on Jan 6, 2016 22:37:49 GMT -6
If anyone has a NeoGaf account I'd suggest you post it in their thread to show just how much an improvement this new shader is over the last one. They.... REALLY improved it. just look at the detail on the belts on the side of her clothes. It literally looks like concept art in 3d form.
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Post by Elfina Ashfield on Jan 6, 2016 23:11:43 GMT -6
Playing GGXrd recently so I'd like to say it's close to that feel and I LOVE it. Keep up the good works!
(P.S.: wait... why are people complaining about breasts? I didn't see anything wrong with them?)
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Post by Astaroth on Jan 6, 2016 23:14:08 GMT -6
squees ^_^ so pretty, i like where this shader is going, i do agree they need to do a stained glass effect test on the curse and the crystals lack that glassy look, but i dont think theyve gotten that far yet it has a very painted look and the colors are pretty, looks like theyve been working on lighting and cel shading which is good, maybe the next room pics will show a better sense of depth and shadow while maintaining that hand drawn look, the ruffles are perfect \^_^/, still curious how the shoulder piece looks in the back the hair im torn on, i really like it and it looks really good and has this crayony stippled edge effect which is very unique and it may end up blending very well when the model is normal size on screen, at the same time im also curious what it would look like with a more ink brush look with those colors (similar to some ukiyo-e like this ), but i think any fine strand detail and color/highlight gradation would be lost or muddied when the model is normal size
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Post by CastleDan on Jan 6, 2016 23:14:16 GMT -6
Playing GGXrd recently so I'd like to say it's close to that feel and I LOVE it. Keep up the good works! (P.S.: wait... why are people complaining about breasts? I didn't see anything wrong with them?) I was going to say that this shader REALLY gets close to the GGXrd vibe for a game that isn't even a fighting game. That's pretty amazing, I don't know how they got this but it's great. Unless Shader #4 is something truly remarkable, this seems like the direction to go.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jan 6, 2016 23:42:43 GMT -6
I don't know if it's a matter of shaders 1-4 anymore, more that they've already begun to compile feedback to make "the one". I don't know if we can expect a numbered 3 and 4, seems more like they will continue to refine and take feedback on this one.
Which I'm 100% fine with!
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Post by lod7 on Jan 6, 2016 23:51:05 GMT -6
God this new shader...so much awesome.
I am really glad the devs took the feedback and did not seem to sacrifice their vision. Really well done. I knew I wanted it to look guilty gear-ish but did not know how to describe it. But this new shader just seems to be that middle step of going in that direction but mixing in the actual concept art with it.
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Post by CastleDan on Jan 6, 2016 23:52:40 GMT -6
That's true. Shader 3 really does seem to be the clear winner. I wonder if there will be a 4 or if it will just be decided among the three or if three is just obviously the direction to go based on positive responses.
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Post by Ben Judd on Jan 7, 2016 0:00:01 GMT -6
This fan community continues to impress. As does IGA and company's willingness to listen to it. Mutual respect helping to polish a game in the right way. This is how a crowd-funded game should be done and I continue to be excited to be a part of this process! Go Army of the Night!
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