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Post by zoned87 on Sept 22, 2015 8:02:37 GMT -6
I like some of the comments Jim Sterling made in this video:
"Castlevania and silent hill wouldn't die if Konami ever did abandon its AAA business because under Konami those series have been f*ing dead for years. Frankly id rather have us quit while we are ahead and let these series die with some goddamned dignity. "
"Better we have Castlevania's legacy continued by Iga's bloodstained than shat upon with progressively worse lords of shadow games."
"We can only be happy at the thought of Kojima getting out of that soul sucking tar pit of a corporation to to pursue game development in an environment that will appreciate him."
"The idea of these games going on ice is better to me than having Konami prop up their corpses and having them dance for us like rotten humiliated puppets."
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Post by Scars Unseen on Sept 22, 2015 8:17:11 GMT -6
Sure they did. If someone asks you "where are you going to live now that your house has burnt down?" then answering with "Actually, my house is just fine," is a perfectly good answer. You don't have to explicitly say where you're going to live; obviously you are going to keep living in your home. Likewise, there is no need to answer the question "what are you going to do with the Fox Engine?" if they already debunked the assumption "now that you've moved on." They haven't moved on, so they'll either keep using the Fox Engine or use something else as they choose. He is right though, they didn't answer the any of the questions and your response is a false equivalence. Even if they did answer the questions it wouldn't actually matter as it was customer support. You would have to ask someone way higher up in the company than that. If by some miracle they were privy to that info they would probably not be allowed to comment on it. It's not. If they say they aren't moving on, but are rather going to continue making games, that also answers what they are doing with the Fox Engine, or at least makes the question irrelevant. And I've worked enough customer service jobs to recognize a "this is out official stance" statement when I see one. Whether or not Konami is going to close up shop in gaming development, this is the same response you'll get from pretty much anyone able to speak in an official capacity until that day comes.
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Post by Apollonian on Sept 22, 2015 8:24:54 GMT -6
I don't think the response was dodging questions even if it was bs. It's simply saying that none of these concerns are valid, thus the specific question is irrelevant. As I said I wouldn't take customer service's word on anything but I would like to add that it is certainly not the norm for a game company to freely disclose information especially through lower tier workers. Besides the part of the question they responded to was clearly "...now that you guys are leaving the MGS series behind?" (which wasn't actually a question) and everything they responded with pertained to this. They had already told us their plans to continue these series months ago (as they stated in their reply) and they reiterated it here. Like Dojima said the questions weren't answered. I hope I'm not sounding combative, just trying to explain how this didn't tell us anything that we didn't already know and did not in fact answer any of the 3 questions asked. @scars: It is, but as you didn't argue that portion further I have nothing to rebut. It doesn't answer what they are doing with it at all, as you said "they'll either keep using the Fox Engine or use something else as they choose" and your question about licensing it out is still a possibility. My point is this, we don't know what they are going to do. So how exactly did you receive an answer if we already knew the possibilities and they didn't say they were doing any of them?
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Post by Scars Unseen on Sept 22, 2015 8:53:21 GMT -6
I don't think the response was dodging questions even if it was bs. It's simply saying that none of these concerns are valid, thus the specific question is irrelevant. As I said I wouldn't take customer service's word on anything but I would like to add that it is certainly not the norm for a game company to freely disclose information especially through lower tier workers. Besides the part of the question they responded to was clearly "...now that you guys are leaving the MGS series behind?" (which wasn't actually a question) and everything they responded with pertained to this. They had already told us their plans to continue these series months ago (as they stated in their reply) and they reiterated it here. Like Dojima said the questions weren't answered. I hope I'm not sounding combative, just trying to explain how this didn't tell us anything that we didn't already know and did not in fact answer any of the 3 questions asked. @scars: It is, but as you didn't argue that portion further I have nothing to rebut. It doesn't answer what they are doing with it at all, as you said "they'll either keep using the Fox Engine or use something else as they choose" and your question about licensing it out is still a possibility. My point is this, we don't know what they are going to do. So how exactly did you receive an answer if we already knew the possibilities and they didn't say they were doing any of them? The validity of the first question hinges on Konami ceasing gaming development, hence "now that you guys are leaving the MGS series behind." Since they aren't (at least within the context of this reply), the question has no meaning, any more than asking someone where they plan to live when the answer is obviously "at home." The second question stems from the first. The assumption of the questioner is that Konami won't be using the engine, so licensing it out would be another way to make money from it. If this were not so, it would be asked in a separate query instead of attached to the same as the first. Now you could possibly say that it's still a valid question since Konami could use the engine and license it out, but the flippant answer would be "you do remember that Konami is a Japanese company, right?" The answer is no, Konami is not going to license out tech that they are using in their own games, because Japanese companies don't work like that. So if Konami is making games still(again, within the context of this reply), then the question has already been answered for anyone capable of simple observation and pattern recognition. The third question is actually answered. "What is the possibility of expanding upon MGSV?" "We're definitely not leaving Metal Gear behind or anything like that." Okay, you could probably get a more specific answer on that, but the answer is - once again - obvious to anyone paying attention, and that answer is "yes, but probably not in any way you wanted." Or, to be flippant once again: "HORSE ARMOR FOR EVERYONE!" The point is, the obvious source of the concern in these questions is the rumor that Konami is quitting the games industry. The reply is that the concern is unwarranted.
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Post by Apollonian on Sept 22, 2015 9:47:52 GMT -6
As I said I wouldn't take customer service's word on anything but I would like to add that it is certainly not the norm for a game company to freely disclose information especially through lower tier workers. Besides the part of the question they responded to was clearly "...now that you guys are leaving the MGS series behind?" (which wasn't actually a question) and everything they responded with pertained to this. They had already told us their plans to continue these series months ago (as they stated in their reply) and they reiterated it here. Like Dojima said the questions weren't answered. I hope I'm not sounding combative, just trying to explain how this didn't tell us anything that we didn't already know and did not in fact answer any of the 3 questions asked. @scars: It is, but as you didn't argue that portion further I have nothing to rebut. It doesn't answer what they are doing with it at all, as you said "they'll either keep using the Fox Engine or use something else as they choose" and your question about licensing it out is still a possibility. My point is this, we don't know what they are going to do. So how exactly did you receive an answer if we already knew the possibilities and they didn't say they were doing any of them? The validity of the first question hinges on Konami ceasing gaming development, hence "now that you guys are leaving the MGS series behind." Since they aren't (at least within the context of this reply), the question has no meaning, any more than asking someone where they plan to live when the answer is obviously "at home."The second question stems from the first. The assumption of the questioner is that Konami won't be using the engine, so licensing it out would be another way to make money from it. If this were not so, it would be asked in a separate query instead of attached to the same as the first. Now you could possibly say that it's still a valid question since Konami could use the engine and license it out, but the flippant answer would be "you do remember that Konami is a Japanese company, right?" The answer is no, Konami is not going to license out tech that they are using in their own games, because Japanese companies don't work like that. So if Konami is making games still(again, within the context of this reply), then the question has already been answered for anyone capable of simple observation and pattern recognition.
The third question is actually answered. "What is the possibility of expanding upon MGSV?" "We're definitely not leaving Metal Gear behind or anything like that." Okay, you could probably get a more specific answer on that, but the answer is - once again - obvious to anyone paying attention, and that answer is "yes, but probably not in any way you wanted." Or, to be flippant once again: "HORSE ARMOR FOR EVERYONE!" The point is, the obvious source of the concern in these questions is the rumor that Konami is quitting the games industry. The reply is that the concern is unwarranted. Your first question does not in fact hinge on "Konami ceasing gaming development". Even if they replied that they were leaving MGS behind it wouldn't give us any info on the future of fox engine and it would certainly not mean that they are ceasing game development as MGS is only one of many series that they own. Heck, they could leave all their IPs behind and it would still be illogical to assume that they would not create a new IP unless they actually say that they won't. By your own response you admit that the questions weren't answered because you asked the wrong ones basically and you support it with another false equivalence (red text). If your question was whether Konami was going to cease gaming development then you would be right in saying your questions were answered. The questions you actually asked were not answered, rather they were rendered irrelevant as you said but, as I pointed out before (as did the customer service representative), they were irrelevant months ago as they already said they were continuing these series. Also I missed the memo where Japanese companies were banned from licensing out tech that they are using in their own games. I just don't see how it is logical to draw these conclusions based on a generalization like that. Unless there is some legal thing I am unaware of (inform me if there is) Konami would be well within their rights to do so and seeing as how they are shaking things up at the company I wouldn't rule out the possibility. If you are taking the time to ask questions why not ask what you want to know instead of asking completely separate questions and interpreting the answer as you see fit? Why did you ask 2 questions about the fox engine when you really wanted to know if they were still going to make games regardless of what they did with the engine? That is what is confusing me. I know you say it was the "obvious source of concern" but if that were truly the case you could have outright said it instead of asking semi-related questions. The third question was not answered because you specifically stated MGSV. If you are saying that it was an error and you meant the MGS series (not specifically V as you stated) then yes your question was answered, but once again that particular question was answered months ago. I also took the liberty to bold a few portions of your response that I felt were rude and with heavy heart I have to point out that that kind of logic could be applied to your whole inquiry as this information had been given to us months ago. I come to this forum to have discussions but I find more and more often that I step in to defend/agree with another poster's opinion only to have the whole conversation spiral into an endless list of excuses and "obvious" implied meanings. It is like nobody wants to engage in a conversation, they simply want to be right. Perhaps you could clear this up and you can admit that you may not have used the best choice of words when asking your questions but if this latest post is anything to go by I am going to predict that is not the case and simply abstain from arguing any further. To use your words it is "obvious to anyone paying attention" that I have already made my point both logically and in plain english. I still agree with Dojima that the questions asked (not the ones in your head) were not answered.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Sept 22, 2015 10:11:07 GMT -6
I'm sorry if you felt that was rude, but I disagree with your take on it. It appears from your response that this conversation is going nowhere, so I'll abstain.
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Post by Artemisian on Sept 22, 2015 12:30:19 GMT -6
I really doubt they actually took the time to read the letter completely or just looked at keywords, I assume they got tons of emails asking about MGS so this response was probably given a lot. I don't think Customer Service would know anything about the engine, so in my opinion, I don't think we have an answer to what will happen to it. Just because MGS isn't going anywhere doesn't really mean that the Fox engine will be used. I really dislike mobile games so this is such a shame. I love Castlevania and Silent Hill so much, if that is where the series is going to go then I consider them finished.
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Post by Apollonian on Sept 22, 2015 12:46:36 GMT -6
I really doubt they actually took the time to read the letter completely or just looked at keywords, I assume they got tons of emails asking about MGS so this response was probably given a lot. I don't think Customer Service would know anything about the engine, so in my opinion, I don't think we have an answer to what will happen to it. Just because MGS isn't going anywhere doesn't really mean that the Fox engine will be used. I really dislike mobile games so this is such a shame. I love Castlevania and Silent Hill so much, if that is where the series is going to go then I consider them finished. lol probably not. I am tempted to write them myself and say "Snake is cool, why no more him?" and see if I get the same response. Still wonder what they will do with it though, seems like such a waste. I agree, it is sad to see so many great game series essentially killed off. VH:II is my favorite game of all time and I love Castlevania, Silent Hill, and MGS. Hopefully they have a change of heart and don't relegate them all to mobile hell.
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Post by Astaroth on Sept 26, 2015 17:57:53 GMT -6
You know, if mobile games could accomplish any type of touch interface more sophisticated than 'hit/swipe the object' or 'navigate tiny menus and stutterwalk through a halfass port of a game you love', id be fine with mobile gaming, till then ill make do with my psp and the massive library i can cram into it
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Post by Apollonian on Oct 5, 2015 11:57:24 GMT -6
Big Boss pachinko trademark...ugh
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Post by Apollonian on Oct 5, 2015 12:28:40 GMT -6
I got enough erotic violence beating up Kaz on the date mission. lol Maybe we should all just get ourselves a hypnotherapist and have them convince us that pachinko is our favorite thing ever.
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Post by Goobsausage on Oct 5, 2015 13:08:16 GMT -6
I got enough erotic violence beating up Kaz on the date mission. lol Maybe we should all just get ourselves a hypnotherapist and have them convince us that pachinko is our favorite thing ever. Like Liquid Snake in MGS2 and before MGS4 changed all the details about everything, Metal Gear will live on through our arms as we hit the lever.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Nov 3, 2015 11:14:39 GMT -6
So we have several related topics, but this one is the most recent and I don't want to create a new topic for this, but...
Apparently, there's a new Cotnra coming!
...for mobile devices. ...only in China.
Thanks, Konami!
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Post by Goobsausage on Nov 3, 2015 12:18:27 GMT -6
It kinda lame to hear about that. I don't see anything wrong with targeting China since it's a booming market, but I do think having the game only be available there sucks and I can't see traditional Contra games translating to touch controls well.
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Post by Motoko on Nov 3, 2015 12:31:28 GMT -6
So we have several related topics, but this one is the most recent and I don't want to create a new topic for this, but... Apparently, there's a new Cotnra coming! ...for mobile devices. ...only in China. Thanks, Konami! Sadly this is where the big money is to be made these days.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Nov 3, 2015 13:00:25 GMT -6
What's kind of funny about Chinese games to me is that while China in general has zero respect for copyright law and will fake/replicate just about anything, Tencent (the ones helping Konami with Contra here) make it all but impossible to play their games outside of China. For a little while, I was interested in playing their Xuan Dou Zhi Wang ("King of Combat", a King of Fighters knockoff), but you have to...make a Chinese social media account, provide proof of China citizenship and log on to an online Chinese server every time you wanted to play it. Wow dude.
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Post by Goobsausage on Nov 3, 2015 13:07:42 GMT -6
So we have several related topics, but this one is the most recent and I don't want to create a new topic for this, but... Apparently, there's a new Cotnra coming! ...for mobile devices. ...only in China. Thanks, Konami! Sadly this is where the big money is to be made these days. Especially with movies. They've been co-financing big projects like Iron Man 3 while Pacific Rim and Ant-Man were big successes there. There's also the iQue being specialized for the Chinese market to bring Nintendo games there (and also being used in OoT speedruns). There is a very good reason why Looper had the guy from the future tell the main character "I'm from the future. You should go to China." after hearing they wanted to move to France. ...and then there's FUZE.
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Post by Zechs on Nov 10, 2015 22:07:09 GMT -6
I am not surprised they are going down this road. It certainly seems alienating for specific fanbases of specific franchises since it might mean less used for extended localization.
I myself have juggled being a Konami fan. Being in the U.S. I just don't have a taste for pachinko machines. Outside of the more or less recent works of MGS or Lords of Shadow, I haven't been a consistent fan. So with this move, I assume I'll just plan to get some of the fill I got from Konami from somewhere else... Iga is a starting point. Hoping Kojima does something similar.
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