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Post by lordgrade on Jun 25, 2019 19:09:08 GMT -6
Switch port sucks worse* than the ps4 version that keeps lagging out, you know what you did.
I'm returning this mess, deleting the digi I have and not investing in any of your future endeavors. I respect your hard work.
Please respond with an address so that I may send you your trash back.
Don't bother sending me the rest of the rewards I was due, I'll only return those as well.
Edit, I made a typo and put an *
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Post by lordgrade on Jun 25, 2019 21:08:39 GMT -6
I'd like to thank 21stBelmont for replying to this thread with an "lol" then deleting his reply, it made me realize after continuing to look at other threads that unless I do some in depth drawn out "reasons why" this probably won't get a response let alone the information I'd asked for. Btw, Nice signed Iga pic, shame you took it down seemed expensive.
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Post by lordgrade on Jun 25, 2019 21:39:35 GMT -6
To date with information regarding my reasons why I'd like to return this and future backer rewards to whomever is going to take enough time to accept it.
Some History regarding my playing of these games if you don't want to read then don't skip to another section.
I've played them all, loved all, some more than others.
Some history regarding this game.
Backed it in '15 been waiting ever since.
Received the ps4 version, updated it. Started kicking everything to death, seemed fine, the only complaint being that while acquiring new shards the game stutters/lags/ drops frame rate to 30 fps. Literally think odd, find out there's an option to disable animation. Ok fine, awkward but fine. Dump 6 hours questioning sanity before realizing that's an option. Say I'll hold off until I get my switch version since I played Dawn of Sorrow . Portrait of Ruin, Order of Ecclesia, Harmony of Dissonance and Aria of Sorrow on Handhelds.
Receive Switch version:
Pop that sucker in it's time to get down. Expectations minimized since after having read the forums with the ps4 shard lag come across switch debacle at events. Glass box, over heating was is, the official response. Shakes head, checks backer page info, no option to change, too late. Give it 6 hours of play, that was all I could handle, in 30 minute intervals because the games constant quality shifting and shading gives headache. Input lag, Lack of focus, Sometimes foreground, sometimes background.
Check Forums:
Threads abound with the howls of vanquished foes. QA QC Bug Testing from player base on release day? Threads about Perceived notion of withholding release until initial response and reviews are published? Sorry guys and gals, you aren't paying me to test your game, I paid you for a game.
Why I'm asking for a mod to message me an official address to return this:
Guys, have you played it? Have you asked Iga to play it on the switch? Most likely not, you pulled a bait and switch. I'm more disappointed than angry but to the tune in excess of 100+ dollars. I know there are people that paid thousands to have their pictures put in game, meet and greet, whatever. I'm not speaking for them. I'm speaking as a long time fan of the series. You let me down, You knew it was sub par when you released it, otherwise the first thread regarding the switch was update to version "x-#" and the instant blow back.
No, I'm not going to dump another 60 bucks on a steam version, I threw 125 at you to get it right or close to it the first time, hence waiting 4 years. Lack of damage control and lack of legitimate answers is just another irresponsible game people play called "drop the ball and pass the buck". I know you guys worked on this for years, I followed the updates, I answered the questionnaires. Had you been more forthcoming about the quality concerning the port and it's play ability let alone the effects it would have on players themselves, people could have actually made an informed decision considering the after effects.
No I'm not asking for money, I gave you enough of that the first time around. No, I'm not asking for a refund. The money had already been spent anyways remember? I'm asking you to take your garbage back. That I paid for and will literally pay for shipping to have it gone from my life. This could be a debate but why bother, those that have a superior version will take the high ground and say your fault so on and so forth.
Look guys, I know you worked hard on it, not only with the original development but going back over your "poop", sorry, "old" graphics. I'm sure there's a lot more to it. That I'll never get to play because you sent me an inferior product, that you expect the player base to bug test. Freezes, locks up, input lag, long load times. Why port it to a handheld then?
TL; DR I paid 125 dollars to play the "complete" version of the E3 backer demo. Take it back and be on your way.
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Post by lordgrade on Jun 26, 2019 14:03:21 GMT -6
*update 26 June 2019
Reached out to admin who looked over my thread and message. Responded promptly and honestly though I did get the impression that they think when I say "return" or :send back: I mean refund, I assured them that I do not wish to receive a refund. Not only based on Kickstarter policy but due to the fact I backed it from there. They did however tag more senior moderators who may have been able to help me with sending the publishers or developers this game back with the kickstarter rewards so basically I will have paid them to not play their game.
* I see the message that 505 is diverting assets to work on developing it further but having done more in depth research it would appear that the switch is just not capable of running the game smoothly. Limitations of the hardware vs. the game engine used to design the game. For those tracking this thank you for reaching out to the player base with regard to development and issues as they happen. However it does not change my feelings towards this situation and I will be updating this topic with relevant information as it occurs.
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Post by Aztec on Jun 26, 2019 16:21:47 GMT -6
Instead of sending it back out of pure spite while not even demanding a refund, then you’re better off donating it to a charity like Child’s Play where they give out toys (and videogames) to children’s hospitals around the world. I seriously think this may be a better use of your time and efforts. You can still make your point across while doing something good with your copy instead of just sending it out to the void where it will probably never reach the people you want to and/or you would never know if it did. Here’s the link to the Child’s Play charity for more info. It’s an awesome non-profit NGO btw. Child’s Play organization
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Post by lordgrade on Jun 27, 2019 0:04:57 GMT -6
Please do not assume this is done out of spite or malice. This is done from disappointment and if that isn't explicitly clear, then you applied your own logic to something I detailed and you chose to ignore. Whether or not it reaches them will be in the hands of their mailing department and whatever post carrier is handling it. With regard to your attempting to virtue signal and high road me into the "gallant thing" www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=36034&Title=Bloodstained%3a++Ritual+of+the+NightIt's rated teen, Blood, Partial Nudity, Violence. This is an action role-playing game in which players assume the role of Miriam, a cursed orphan who must battle her way through a demon-infested castle. As players traverse side-scrolling environments, they use swords, spears, pistols, and whips to battle fantastical creatures (e.g., harpies; spiked armor; demon-like birds, rodents, dogs) in melee-style combat. In one sequence, players encounter a boss character emerging from a bathtub full of blood; her magic attacks can cause blood to rain down on players and stain the walls and ceilings. Another sequence depicts an impaled corpse, with blood flowing heavily into a large fountain pool. The game also depicts a topless female boss creature (no discernible nipples). I wouldn't assume what parents should or should not let their children play and while I admit gaming is certainly a hobby, a lifestyle, an escape and an adventure for those otherwise unable to do so. I'd rather not force epileptic seizures on the medically fragile under the guise of charitable endeavors. I see that "ovenkitty" is interested in your topic. Please do not respond to this thread, it's obvious I'm being trolled. Please go
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Post by Aztec on Jun 27, 2019 3:54:59 GMT -6
Please do not assume this is done out of spite or malice. This is done from disappointment and if that isn't explicitly clear, then you applied your own logic to something I detailed and you chose to ignore. Whether or not it reaches them will be in the hands of their mailing department and whatever post carrier is handling it. With regard to your attempting to virtue signal and high road me into the "gallant thing" www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=36034&Title=Bloodstained%3a++Ritual+of+the+NightIt's rated teen, Blood, Partial Nudity, Violence. This is an action role-playing game in which players assume the role of Miriam, a cursed orphan who must battle her way through a demon-infested castle. As players traverse side-scrolling environments, they use swords, spears, pistols, and whips to battle fantastical creatures (e.g., harpies; spiked armor; demon-like birds, rodents, dogs) in melee-style combat. In one sequence, players encounter a boss character emerging from a bathtub full of blood; her magic attacks can cause blood to rain down on players and stain the walls and ceilings. Another sequence depicts an impaled corpse, with blood flowing heavily into a large fountain pool. The game also depicts a topless female boss creature (no discernible nipples). I wouldn't assume what parents should or should not let their children play and while I admit gaming is certainly a hobby, a lifestyle, an escape and an adventure for those otherwise unable to do so. I'd rather not force epileptic seizures on the medically fragile under the guise of charitable endeavors. I see that "ovenkitty" is interested in your topic. Please do not respond to this thread, it's obvious I'm being trolled. Please go You do with your copy whatever it is that you want but do not zero in on the wrong thing here (in this case the word “Children’s”). Children’s hospitals don’t receive exclusively 0-12 year olds. There’s a ton of teenagers in children’s hospitals too since most of the time up to 17 year olds get admitted there so I’m sure a lot of these kids would be perfectly okay with this T for Teen rated videogame you’d rather destroy than donate. Because sending it to who knows where via UPS might as well be the same as breaking your game in half and burning it. And, let’s face it, we all played T for Teen games before we were 13, I mean, it’s not like Bloodstained is GTA either. PS: you can unironically use the stupid term “virtue signal” until the cows come home everytime someone suggests you do some good but that doesn’t make your line of thinking any less dumb. I also laughed out loud at you being the protector of fragile kids by preventing them seizures by not having them play Bloodstained, whatever that meant.
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Post by ben2749 on Jun 27, 2019 9:07:25 GMT -6
I'm also incredibly disappointed and feeling cheated as a Switch backer. I've created this thread: bloodstained.forums.net/thread/4186/switch-kickstarter-backers-steam-keys?page=1&scrollTo=68997At this point, I'd accept pretty much any kind of compensation; a free Steam key, an exchange for a copy on literally any other system, etc. Oh, and suggesting that a customer unhappy with a broken product donate it to a children's charity instead of pursuing a resolution is absolutely ridiculous. By that logic, nobody should ever be allowed to complain about anything again. In fact, I'd actually say it's hypocritical. After all, you're saying that somebody should donate the game instead of getting it themselves, but you yourself backed the game and received a copy. Somehow I doubt you donated your copy straight to charity.
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Post by Aztec on Jun 27, 2019 12:29:00 GMT -6
I'm also incredibly disappointed and feeling cheated as a Switch backer. I've created this thread: bloodstained.forums.net/thread/4186/switch-kickstarter-backers-steam-keys?page=1&scrollTo=68997At this point, I'd accept pretty much any kind of compensation; a free Steam key, an exchange for a copy on literally any other system, etc. Oh, and suggesting that a customer unhappy with a broken product donate it to a children's charity instead of pursuing a resolution is absolutely ridiculous. By that logic, nobody should ever be allowed to complain about anything again. In fact, I'd actually say it's hypocritical. After all, you're saying that somebody should donate the game instead of getting it themselves, but you yourself backed the game and received a copy. Somehow I doubt you donated your copy straight to charity. Pay attention here because you clearly werent. I’m not saying he can’t complain. I said that what he was trying to do to complain (sending his game back to someone from the dev team and not expecting any compensation) was dumb and pointless and that if he was going to get rid of the game he might as well donate it to someone who would rather play it instead. Jesus Christ.
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Post by lordgrade on Jun 27, 2019 16:09:35 GMT -6
Please do not assume this is done out of spite or malice. This is done from disappointment and if that isn't explicitly clear, then you applied your own logic to something I detailed and you chose to ignore. Whether or not it reaches them will be in the hands of their mailing department and whatever post carrier is handling it. With regard to your attempting to virtue signal and high road me into the "gallant thing" www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=36034&Title=Bloodstained%3a++Ritual+of+the+NightIt's rated teen, Blood, Partial Nudity, Violence. This is an action role-playing game in which players assume the role of Miriam, a cursed orphan who must battle her way through a demon-infested castle. As players traverse side-scrolling environments, they use swords, spears, pistols, and whips to battle fantastical creatures (e.g., harpies; spiked armor; demon-like birds, rodents, dogs) in melee-style combat. In one sequence, players encounter a boss character emerging from a bathtub full of blood; her magic attacks can cause blood to rain down on players and stain the walls and ceilings. Another sequence depicts an impaled corpse, with blood flowing heavily into a large fountain pool. The game also depicts a topless female boss creature (no discernible nipples). I wouldn't assume what parents should or should not let their children play and while I admit gaming is certainly a hobby, a lifestyle, an escape and an adventure for those otherwise unable to do so. I'd rather not force epileptic seizures on the medically fragile under the guise of charitable endeavors. I see that "ovenkitty" is interested in your topic. Please do not respond to this thread, it's obvious I'm being trolled. Please go You do with your copy whatever it is that you want but do not zero in on the wrong thing here (in this case the word “Children’s”). Children’s hospitals don’t receive exclusively 0-12 year olds. There’s a ton of teenagers in children’s hospitals too since most of the time up to 17 year olds get admitted there so I’m sure a lot of these kids would be perfectly okay with this T for Teen rated videogame you’d rather destroy than donate. Because sending it to who knows where via UPS might as well be the same as breaking your game in half and burning it. And, let’s face it, we all played T for Teen games before we were 13, I mean, it’s not like Bloodstained is GTA either. PS: you can unironically use the stupid term “virtue signal” until the cows come home everytime someone suggests you do some good but that doesn’t make your line of thinking any less dumb. I also laughed out loud at you being the protector of fragile kids by preventing them seizures by not having them play Bloodstained, whatever that meant. Which part of your argument would you like me to quote so that you may understand the folly with which you are using in the attempt to elevate yourself in a discussion that was never directed at you?
The part where you say I'm being irresponsible and dumb for sending it Out into the void?
Isn't that what I'd be doing by donating it?
Calling my actions spiteful when they clearly are not, inferring that I'm wasting my time instead of begging for a refund or some compensation? I've made my place known and very clear.
Regardless of this game being unplayable it is and shall remain a work of art. Many hours and a lot of people from a lot of backgrounds poured energy time and effort into it. You mock their hard work by insinuating I would destroy it. Shame on you.
I will do whatever I wish with my copy, it was my money, I earned it and I spent it. You had no part in any of that so do not attempt to berate me for making an adult decision regarding my stance on the subject. I have not attacked anyone such as you have nor resorted to name calling of any individuals. Like you have.
I am doing the most responsible thing. If you cannot see that I suggest you mature a fair amount before insisting then arguing that your "points" are valid and therefore the only ones worth adhering to.
You're implying that games of that nature existed when I was a child. They were not. Not produced, Not well known and esrb didn't even exist yet.
What your interpretations of good and evil are do not interest me so do not push them here. I'm well aware of that charity and what they do and for whom. I'm removing your "into the void" factor by doing the most responsible thing I can.
If you want to debate if whether or not some kids will or wont play games behind their parents back you're over generalizing and were the same done to you I doubt you would appreciate it very much.
Laugh all you would like, Just know that I can't in good conscience make fun of you. You have displayed several characteristics of being spatially unaware, ignorant of consequences and resorting to childish tactics like name calling and throwing a fit like you have done here.
Act like a child and you will be treated like one. If you desire an actual conversation there are several other threads you can pollute with your closed-minded opinions. Take it somewhere else. This isn't about you. It's about this port of the game. Stay on topic or reread my previous threads until they make sense or you learn something of value worth taking forward. Take your apathetic railroading to someone who cares.
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Post by lordgrade on Jun 27, 2019 16:13:03 GMT -6
I'm also incredibly disappointed and feeling cheated as a Switch backer. I've created this thread: bloodstained.forums.net/thread/4186/switch-kickstarter-backers-steam-keys?page=1&scrollTo=68997At this point, I'd accept pretty much any kind of compensation; a free Steam key, an exchange for a copy on literally any other system, etc. Oh, and suggesting that a customer unhappy with a broken product donate it to a children's charity instead of pursuing a resolution is absolutely ridiculous. By that logic, nobody should ever be allowed to complain about anything again. In fact, I'd actually say it's hypocritical. After all, you're saying that somebody should donate the game instead of getting it themselves, but you yourself backed the game and received a copy. Somehow I doubt you donated your copy straight to charity. Good luck on your journey towards compensation fellow demon slayer.
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Post by lordgrade on Jun 27, 2019 16:18:20 GMT -6
Please do not assume this is done out of spite or malice. This is done from disappointment and if that isn't explicitly clear, then you applied your own logic to something I detailed and you chose to ignore. Whether or not it reaches them will be in the hands of their mailing department and whatever post carrier is handling it. With regard to your attempting to virtue signal and high road me into the "gallant thing" www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=36034&Title=Bloodstained%3a++Ritual+of+the+NightIt's rated teen, Blood, Partial Nudity, Violence. This is an action role-playing game in which players assume the role of Miriam, a cursed orphan who must battle her way through a demon-infested castle. As players traverse side-scrolling environments, they use swords, spears, pistols, and whips to battle fantastical creatures (e.g., harpies; spiked armor; demon-like birds, rodents, dogs) in melee-style combat. In one sequence, players encounter a boss character emerging from a bathtub full of blood; her magic attacks can cause blood to rain down on players and stain the walls and ceilings. Another sequence depicts an impaled corpse, with blood flowing heavily into a large fountain pool. The game also depicts a topless female boss creature (no discernible nipples). I wouldn't assume what parents should or should not let their children play and while I admit gaming is certainly a hobby, a lifestyle, an escape and an adventure for those otherwise unable to do so. I'd rather not force epileptic seizures on the medically fragile under the guise of charitable endeavors. I see that "ovenkitty" is interested in your topic. Please do not respond to this thread, it's obvious I'm being trolled. Please go You do with your copy whatever it is that you want but do not zero in on the wrong thing here (in this case the word “Children’s”). Children’s hospitals don’t receive exclusively 0-12 year olds. There’s a ton of teenagers in children’s hospitals too since most of the time up to 17 year olds get admitted there so I’m sure a lot of these kids would be perfectly okay with this T for Teen rated videogame you’d rather destroy than donate. Because sending it to who knows where via UPS might as well be the same as breaking your game in half and burning it. And, let’s face it, we all played T for Teen games before we were 13, I mean, it’s not like Bloodstained is GTA either. PS: you can unironically use the stupid term “virtue signal” until the cows come home everytime someone suggests you do some good but that doesn’t make your line of thinking any less dumb. I also laughed out loud at you being the protector of fragile kids by preventing them seizures by not having them play Bloodstained, whatever that meant. Also I'd like to point out, since you want to tell others what to do with their time and money,
Lead the way. Donate your copy/ies to Child's Play.
Otherwise you're just a hypocrite. That much is at least obvious from your previous posts.
I'm going my own direction and I don't ask that anyone follow me. I await confirmation that you have done what you expect others to do or simply put as, you're getting called out.
You did it to yourself.
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 27, 2019 16:46:10 GMT -6
Alright, this thread was originally about dissatisfaction with the Switch version of the game and it's derailed into an argument that shouldn't have started in the first place. Let's get back on topic, please. lordgrade I'm sorry you are so disappointed with the game. The problems on Switch should have never happened in the first place, and although the team is trying to resolve this, what they do to fix this will be too little too late to many people. Not everyone will understand this. If you REALLY want to give your stuff away and you don't want a refund, I'll take it off your hands. I mean... well I don't want a pipe bomb in the mail or anything, so maybe just give it away to someone in person. 505's office in CA is public information if you want to send it there. I don't really think that is going to resolve your real issue here, though. You are not happy with the game, and that is understandable. Returning it isn't going to help you in the end. If you had purchased this game at a retail store, I doubt they would take it back unless it was unopened. Software usually isn't returnable. As a backer, Kickstarter comes with the understanding that you are helping support a creator to make what they want to the best of their ability. Your pledge is an investment with a risk/reward, and you obviously aren't happy with how it has turned out. I don't think a refund will be possible for anyone. If it was, the Linux backers would have got theirs long ago. I don't think returning your copy will really help you. Is there something I can do to help you move on from continuing repeating yourself here? Your message has certainly been heard. I just want to help in any way I can.
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 27, 2019 17:10:36 GMT -6
In terms of pure pragmatism, Lordgrade, if you're that displeased with the game you're better off selling it than returning it. If you're making a decision based on an emotion--in this case, disappointment--however justified that emotion may be, it doesn't take into account other more practical roads of action. There's simply no real reason not to put up your copy and your backer rewards up on eBay or something, no matter how much you think the product sucks, because at least that way you can get some return on the 125 dollars you spent rather than simply casting it to the whims of USPS or some other postal carrier. Some of the 100 dollar rewards might also have some value to collectors too. However, I can vouch for Mike, he's one of the most honest people I know. Due to that, however, I don't want to see him taken advantage of...yes, I know how it sounds, but again in practical terms like he said, he doesn't want to get anything bad in the mail so it would be better to give your copy to someone you know IRL than mail it to someone on the forums.
Aside from that, though, I would ask you to at least take a little time before writing off the Switch port entirely. I know, it sounds like I'm doing damage control, but to tell the truth just a little while ago I felt very similar to you--despairing over the incessant troubles that have beset this project, and so depressed over the non-stop drip-drip-drip of bad news that my hype for the game had been completely destroyed and I wanted nothing more than to wipe my hands of it. And since I'm a mod, you know this is a significant admission. However, after talking with Question and watching his responses to people, it's re-ignited my hope for the game, my passion for it, and my belief the project is worth supporting. Yeah, you're exactly right, the Switch port was mega messed up and it's definitely a black mark on 505, Artplay, and IGA's record. However, note their reaction: They're not trying to sweep this under the rug or leaving us out in the cold as they just choose not to address it. They've forthrightly admitted their mistakes and are directing all their resources to correcting them. Question already mentioned they have a plan to get things back on track for the Switch:
So from my perspective, I was on the verge of despair and giving up on the game entirely, but doing so would have been premature and I'm glad I stepped back from the brink, because if I'd just abandoned the project, I would never get to see how it might 'rise from the ashes' (so to speak) and end up snatching a victory from the jaws of defeat through close attention to criticism and an iron-clad determination to improve. I think the same might apply to you, friend. Yeah, again, you're feeling really depressed and saddened by the crappy port, just like I was a few days ago. But think about it this way: What if you gave away the game and all your stuff, but 505 and Wayforward end up patching the game and solving all of its issues, making the Switch version a high point for the system where it had previously been an embarrasment? Yeah, they should have done it by now, sure, but even so, if a game ends up being great after a slight delay, wouldn't be a waste to give up on it early?
Also notice the mention of Wayforward. Now, I dunno if you're familiar with them, but they've done a lot of good work on the Switch, most notably Shantae: Half-Genie Hero and The Mummy Demastered. Given a little more time, I'm confident they'll be able to do good things with the Switch as well. So if nothing else--even if you've lost faith in IGA, Artplay, and 505--it might be worth waiting to see what Wayforward manages to do, because they're very good at what they do!
So, yeah. If you *really* wanna give your stuff away, you can do that, though it might not be wise to send it to Mike or me or anyone else online; you'd be better off doing it IRL. But I would really encourage you to reconsider and at least wait a while rather than making a snap decision you may end up regretting down the line. Just give it a little more time and wait until you've calmed down a bit and then see where things stand. You may end up seeing it's not as bad as you thought.
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Post by lordgrade on Jun 27, 2019 18:37:20 GMT -6
Alright, this thread was originally about dissatisfaction with the Switch version of the game and it's derailed into an argument that shouldn't have started in the first place. Let's get back on topic, please. lordgrade I'm sorry you are so disappointed with the game. The problems on Switch should have never happened in the first place, and although the team is trying to resolve this, what they do to fix this will be too little too late to many people. Not everyone will understand this. If you REALLY want to give your stuff away and you don't want a refund, I'll take it off your hands. I mean... well I don't want a pipe bomb in the mail or anything, so maybe just give it away to someone in person. 505's office in CA is public information if you want to send it there. I don't really think that is going to resolve your real issue here, though. You are not happy with the game, and that is understandable. Returning it isn't going to help you in the end. If you had purchased this game at a retail store, I doubt they would take it back unless it was unopened. Software usually isn't returnable. As a backer, Kickstarter comes with the understanding that you are helping support a creator to make what they want to the best of their ability. Your pledge is an investment with a risk/reward, and you obviously aren't happy with how it has turned out. I don't think a refund will be possible for anyone. If it was, the Linux backers would have got theirs long ago. I don't think returning your copy will really help you. Is there something I can do to help you move on from continuing repeating yourself here? Your message has certainly been heard. I just want to help in any way I can. I'll address these points as they're written for the sake of continuity.
Agreed, the thread was derailed.
Yeah mike, it does suck that I was disappointed by the switch port, live and learn. Can't say I'm similarly with the game as a whole seeing as I played the backer demo for a fair amount of time so I was fairly convinced I knew the game would be good. Comparing it to the previous games developed certainly made it seem as though it would be the same in almost all respects without violating whatever rights were held by the previous publishers of it. As I'm sure most of the long time fans were and had been.
Concerning their fixes, cool also great. I've commended them on this. What will be the end result is really here nor there other than to approach and fix what is wrong to the best they can. That's really all anyone can do. Who in their right mind could ask for more?
Concerning sending it to you. No thanks. For a few reasons. I wouldn't expect you to nor have I asked, to give out your information to anyone. In fact I'd strongly advise against it and that's for anyone on the internet.
I'm not so sure as to how you've arrived at the conclusion that I would in someway harm anyone, regardless of my feelings on the matter. That sort of behavior is rarely if ever justified and I just don't believe in it. Please do not imply that I would do anything of the sort.
Regarding 505's address being public, awesome. I had already looked it up but kept getting an address and website in Italy and that just didn't seem feasible. I will look into that so I thank you for that information.
Regarding refunds on store bought material and their refunds on unopened software, yes you are correct. Most places do not accept opened box items as returns or issue refunds if they are. Since that doesn't really apply here nor have I mentioned the word refund other than to state that I do not want one I just don't know what you mean by that other than attempting to reason with me by giving context for a hypothetical. I understand what you mean if that is what you meant but it seems everyone is more attached and reluctant to let go of that word (refund). It's not about money. I haven't asked nor do I expect anything. Why everyone is still so concerned with it is beyond me. It's just money, they print more of it everyday, people get jobs to acquire more. In the end it's just paper.
Regarding Kickstarter, yes I am aware of their policy with regard to returns and I even mentioned this in a message to clear.
Sending their game back to them is literally just that. Sending them their game back. (Just the game and the kickstarter rewards... why I should even be compelled to write that speaks bounds about the context of the situation here) All I can do is facepalm at this point.
You actually have been helpful. I can look up that info and have it sent once I receive the rest of my backer rewards. I don't care what they do with it, keep it , sell it, give it to a loved one. It's their game and their stuff now.
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 27, 2019 18:47:34 GMT -6
Ah. You're right. Being compelled to just send the game back like "take your trash baby back, I don't want it" does speak volumes. I'm sure it the message is clear already, but if you send something to their office, hey, whatever gets you to the point where this isn't bothering you as much is good.
I wasn't implying YOU would send me a pipe bomb. I was just saying the same thing you did about giving out an address online. I was implying you could send me something I really didn't want, even if I knew you probably wouldn't. My humor was probably not necessary at the time I wrote that, as it didn't land as I hoped it would.
Well, it sounds like you are gonna send the stuff to 505. Italy is their HQ. Their office that handles this game is 5145 Douglas Fir Rd, Calabasas, CA 91302.
Sorry you went from liking the demo to hating this release. I wish you could enjoy it like so many of us do, but I haven't been affected by the same issues directly. As a community advocate, I certainly absorb a lot of the complaints like this, so to some extent- I understand.
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Post by lordgrade on Jun 27, 2019 18:58:08 GMT -6
In terms of pure pragmatism, Lordgrade, if you're that displeased with the game you're better off selling it than returning it. If you're making a decision based on an emotion--in this case, disappointment--however justified that emotion may be, it doesn't take into account other more practical roads of action. There's simply no real reason not to put up your copy and your backer rewards up on eBay or something, no matter how much you think the product sucks, because at least that way you can get some return on the 125 dollars you spent rather than simply casting it to the whims of USPS or some other postal carrier. Some of the 100 dollar rewards might also have some value to collectors too. However, I can vouch for Mike, he's one of the most honest people I know. Due to that, however, I don't want to see him taken advantage of...yes, I know how it sounds, but again in practical terms like he said, he doesn't want to get anything bad in the mail so it would be better to give your copy to someone you know IRL than mail it to someone on the forums. Aside from that, though, I would ask you to at least take a little time before writing off the Switch port entirely. I know, it sounds like I'm doing damage control, but to tell the truth just a little while ago I felt very similar to you--despairing over the incessant troubles that have beset this project, and so depressed over the non-stop drip-drip-drip of bad news that my hype for the game had been completely destroyed and I wanted nothing more than to wipe my hands of it. And since I'm a mod, you know this is a significant admission. However, after talking with Question and watching his responses to people, it's re-ignited my hope for the game, my passion for it, and my belief the project is worth supporting. Yeah, you're exactly right, the Switch port was mega messed up and it's definitely a black mark on 505, Artplay, and IGA's record. However, note their reaction: They're not trying to sweep this under the rug or leaving us out in the cold as they just choose not to address it. They've forthrightly admitted their mistakes and are directing all their resources to correcting them. Question already mentioned they have a plan to get things back on track for the Switch: So from my perspective, I was on the verge of despair and giving up on the game entirely, but doing so would have been premature and I'm glad I stepped back from the brink, because if I'd just abandoned the project, I would never get to see how it might 'rise from the ashes' (so to speak) and end up snatching a victory from the jaws of defeat through close attention to criticism and an iron-clad determination to improve. I think the same might apply to you, friend. Yeah, again, you're feeling really depressed and saddened by the crappy port, just like I was a few days ago. But think about it this way: What if you gave away the game and all your stuff, but 505 and Wayforward end up patching the game and solving all of its issues, making the Switch version a high point for the system where it had previously been an embarrasment? Yeah, they should have done it by now, sure, but even so, if a game ends up being great after a slight delay, wouldn't be a waste to give up on it early? Also notice the mention of Wayforward. Now, I dunno if you're familiar with them, but they've done a lot of good work on the Switch, most notably Shantae: Half-Genie Hero and The Mummy Demastered. Given a little more time, I'm confident they'll be able to do good things with the Switch as well. So if nothing else--even if you've lost faith in IGA, Artplay, and 505--it might be worth waiting to see what Wayforward manages to do, because they're very good at what they do! So, yeah. If you *really* wanna give your stuff away, you can do that, though it might not be wise to send it to Mike or me or anyone else online; you'd be better off doing it IRL. But I would really encourage you to reconsider and at least wait a while rather than making a snap decision you may end up regretting down the line. Just give it a little more time and wait until you've calmed down a bit and then see where things stand. You may end up seeing it's not as bad as you thought.
If I were concerned with money I would sell it. If I cared that much about money. This isn't about money. It's about a 4 year tease and an inferior product. All of us looked forward to this release and regardless of platform some are more pleased with it than others. It just so happens that I got the odd man out of the switch port and the problems inherited with choosing that version.
Nah I dont want mike to send his information out there and even though if that were and agreement he and I arrived at it would remain so between us but I would be placing my info in his hands as much as her were placing his info in mine. Considering the context he took immediately concerning such a transaction I wouldn't feel safe giving him my info. Trustworthy or not it's just not a good idea to do ever. That's a lesson I think most people can agree with.
Pc is best version hands down because of the hardware capabilities to run it. It might be able to be optimized in some way for the switch, if I didn't believe in IGA and this game I wouldn't have backed it from the start and waited with bated breath so see the results. It's gorgeous, his characters are wonderful are relatable and to be fair the return to this genre is something a lot of people have been waiting for.
I do respect them for diverting resources towards fixing the issues, even commending them in my earlier replies. It really does just seem that a large amount of folks cannot seem to understand, even after having written it, that I'm washing my hands of it, done, kaput, walking away. I dumped money into something and they knew it was bad when they released it and they even had a cover for that. That level of dishonesty is not something that I, personally, will not stand behind. I.e they could have said we're delaying the switch port due to (x number of circumstances) the hardware isn't capable of running the software at a level we feel meets the quality we wish to impart on players and our long standing backers.
They lied. They got paid to lie. Call it an interpretation if you wish but those are facts and the proof stands in front of us.
Yes, I've played Shantae and since having played it, (albeit it might as well be a different game entirely with respect the graphical requirements etc) agreed that perhaps it would be in good hands. Didnt play the other game so I do not have an opinion of it.
I'm not sending it to anyone on these boards Nor am I asking for information to do so. The fact that any of you would misrepresent what I have said in such a way as to imply violence is just one more reason why I find myself disheartened by this entire debacle. Lock this thread. I made this account specifically to address the issue of sending them the game back with the rewards and look what it has devolved into, now even the mods are in here and no one can seem to understand that this isn't about money. You lied. When confronted you lied more. I deal with enough people like that on a daily basis without sending them money to support their projects. It's despicable.
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 27, 2019 19:16:47 GMT -6
lordgrade well just to make sure you understand, Mike was just joking around with his comment, he didn't mean to imply anything bad about you. I was just saying that in general sense, it's always a bit of risk sending and receiving packages online without the benefit of either some sort of middleman (like Amazon or whatever) or when the two parties have known each other for a long time. But in any case, if you feel that strongly about the problems with the Switch and there's nothing I can say to sway you, then you can try the address Mike provided (5145 Douglas Fir Rd, Calabasas, CA 91302) or give the game to someone you know. But if you want me to lock the thread, I'll do as you ask. If you need to talk to anyone else about it, my PM box is always open. I hope this will at least do something towards giving you closure. Thanks for your time, and sorry the problems with the Switch ended up being a deal-breaker for you.
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