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Post by Enkeria on Mar 31, 2019 15:40:36 GMT -6
roguedragon05 Was it water? Not.. Green goo ? Been a while since I saw both versions. On Sega site is shows The New Generation image for me.. So no blood then. Edit: megadrivemini.sega.com/
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Post by roguedragon05 on Mar 31, 2019 16:31:08 GMT -6
EnkeriaI had heard that one version had green goo in Australia I think but I never found anything to back that up, regardless the PAL version was water I'm pretty sure. The image in question is for the English version the American site shows the American Bloodlines cover so I suspect I'm right Brit's will get New Generation and American's will get Bloodline. I don't know where you are but maybe importing is in order?
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Post by Enkeria on Mar 31, 2019 16:39:20 GMT -6
roguedragon05 That would be too much of a hassle really, different sockets, and fat fees. Its either the EU version or get it on Steam if it ever gets there. Or get the real one, already imported somehow and a Mega Drive (Genesis).
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Post by Aztec on Mar 31, 2019 19:43:54 GMT -6
Since Castlevania Bloodlines has been confirmed for the Genesis Mini, I'm thinking that it won't be in the Konami collection then, assuming that Sega would need to give permission for it to be released elsewhere that is. I still hope it is though. If anything I think it’s quite the contrary! I think this just means Konami has finally figured out whatever legal or technical hurdle they had that stopped this game from being ported and now that it’s coming to the Genesis it may now come to the Collection too. |
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Post by ovenkitty on Apr 6, 2019 15:38:30 GMT -6
I expect Bloodlines, even Rondo to show up on it. Of course, they could do anything, but it just wouldn't represent the classics if those games are missing. And as far as Rondo already being out with Requiem, that's only on PS4, and the price ($20 USD for Requiem) would be "justified" by charging $40-50 for this 8 game collection.
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Post by RichterB on Apr 6, 2019 17:47:41 GMT -6
I expect Bloodlines, even Rondo to show up on it. Of course, they could do anything, but it just wouldn't represent the classics if those games are missing. And as far as Rondo already being out with Requiem, that's only on PS4, and the price ($20 USD for Requiem) would be "justified" by charging $40-50 for this 8 game collection. Beggars can't be choosers, but $40-$50 for digital-only wouldn't be my ideal, especially given the Arcade Collection is only $19.99 for eight games. Physical, I'd have no qualms, though. For my personal tastes, Bloodlines, Rondo, Simon's Quest, and Dracula X SNES are my wants. That would basically finish covering the Classicvanias I return to the most, with The Adventure and Adventure Rebirth being on the outside looking in. As an aside, the "magic attacks" could be Sypha, so that's not proof. But the "spears" seems telling for Bloodlines. As does the title screen and fountain. |
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Post by ovenkitty on Apr 7, 2019 7:51:39 GMT -6
Was there a price-pont set for the vania collection? I don't remember seeing it, but if the arcade collection's $20 that's a good sign.
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Post by roguedragon05 on Apr 7, 2019 10:53:09 GMT -6
ovenkittyNeither the Contra nor Castlevania collections had price's on them, presumably that will be revealed with the other half of the games, probably by the end of next month if they really are coming out early Summer.
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Post by RichterB on Apr 7, 2019 13:21:26 GMT -6
Yeah, I was going by the Arcade Collection for my expectations, but maybe that's not entirely fair (even though they have the Castlevania entry Haunted Castle.) Then again, for the general public, as much as it pains me to say it, these Classicvanias in the Anniversary Collection probably aren't going to garner the same level of interest as the Metroidvanias. (Personally, I've always felt some of these early titles can go toe-to-toe with the likes of SotN in terms of iconic stature, but that's me, and times have moved on with generations having different definitions for the franchise.) But that points to the possibility of a lower price point for these earlier entries...which sometimes seem to treated as leftovers/sideshows to the Metroidvanias in the media.
...I just realized when I said Simon's Quest in a previous post, I'm probably missing the point. That's probably going to be saved for the second collection with the Metroidvania games (as it's kind of a hybrid title). And that collection, I'd be highly surprised if it was $19.99, since it would likely include: SQ, SotN, CotM, HoD, AoS, DoS, PoR, OoE (if 8 is the magic number, that is).
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Post by ovenkitty on Apr 7, 2019 15:16:46 GMT -6
RichterB, by HoD I assume you mean Harmony of Dissonance? Wouldn't it be cool if they re-released Harmony of Despair and added some new maps and characters! Never going happen, but I can dream. That's a good list for an Igavania collection, but I wonder if that's what they'll do. They might even include some of the 3D ones like Curse of Darkness (which has never been re-released as far as know) and Lament.
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Post by RichterB on Apr 7, 2019 17:16:18 GMT -6
RichterB , by HoD I assume you mean Harmony of Dissonance? Wouldn't it be cool if they re-released Harmony of Despair and added some new maps and characters! Never going happen, but I can dream. That's a good list for an Igavania collection, but I wonder if that's what they'll do. They might even include some of the 3D ones like Curse of Darkness (which has never been re-released as far as know) and Lament. I meant Harmony of Dissonance, yeah (GBA). You know...I have to admit, Harmony of Despair is one of those few entries I never got around to (and am still iffy on). It just seemed sort of gimmicky to me, especially in how it reused assets. To me, it was another thing like Castlevania Judgment, which I did play, where it's interesting in theory, but not necessarily what I'm looking for. (EDIT: I was impressed to see that the SCV-IV whip grapple-swinging was in this multiplayer game, however.) I wouldn't be against it getting revived somehow, but I don't think a Metroidvania collection would be the best place for it.
As far as Lament and Curse...you're right, they might put those in. In many ways, whatever one thinks of them, they are sort of the most basic idea of Metroidvania in 3D. (Lament in a PoR sort of way with a hub, Curse in a more traditional sense.) However, I think those two would be better served in a smaller 3D collection with CV64 and LoD--but what are the chances there will be three Castlevania collections?
Personally speaking, I think for quality purposes, the 2D Metroidvanias should probably be highlighted together for the best impact. I enjoyed Lament's story, characters, atmosphere/music, secrets, and combat system (for what it was), but it really didn't have a good handle on platforming and its level design was too flat and repetitive overall. Curse, to me, was more ambitious and had a better camera system, but it was a lesser gaming experience. The IDs were fascinating, especially when used for puzzles, but they were a bit "out there" and distracting, while the level design was flatter and even more repetitive than LoI (though the interconnected structure was admirable). The story and characters overall were more sloppy in execution than LoI, in my opinion, too. Curse of Darkness, for all its good points, was the first Castlevania I had played that I felt was overly tedious and lackluster. (I think even the underwhelming Legends left a better first impression, though definitely not by much. Hard to say.) All I know is I remember feeling Curse wasn't living up to its promise, especially with such a great soundtrack and so many different locales. (The dragon fight and that water boss fight stand out in my memories as being exceptions rather than the rule.) At the end of the day, the N64 3D Castlevanias were far more on the right track overall in my mind. I'm saddened that formula was abandoned and never built on. |
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Post by Brainiac on Apr 8, 2019 9:05:02 GMT -6
To avoid confusion, the generally accepted abbreviations are HoD for Harmony of Dissonance and HD for Harmony of Despair (because it's also in high-def). And yeah, I agree with RichterB that given all the phrasing about this collection thus far, I don't expect Simon's Quest until a second collection. What I am curious about is how they'll split the series overall. If this is indeed a Classicvania collection as we expect, other than the four we already have, I expect Bloodlines and Rondo are givens. The interesting thing is whether or not X68000/Chronicles will also be included since that would effectively make three versions of the same basic game. Add Haunted Castle and it's you've got half the collection being about Simon facing Drac. However, I would hope The Adventure ReBirth and possibly Castlevania Legends would be included instead. That would next give us the question of what eight would be in the Metroidvania collection. That's fairly obvious, I think - Simon's Quest, Symphony, Circle, Harmony, Aria, Dawn, Portrait, and Ecclesia. If Legends does indeed get in the first, I'd consider that better odds for Circle in this one. If not, substitute the MSX title Vampire Killer instead as it's fairly close to a Metroidvania reinterpretation of the original game. If a third collection happens, it would be the 3Dvanias. Again, presuming non-canon games are viable, I figure Legacy of Darkness, Lament, Curse, and possibly Dracula X Chronicles on its own. If the Lords of Shadow games are included, probably drop DxC and expand it to six games total. Now, if there ISN'T a third collection planned, it's possible the second half of the known upcoming collection will be 3D titles which are still closer to the classic style. In that case, it's going to be REALLY truncated overall and Mirror of Fate would likely be the 3D title for the second collection (and MAYBE DxC at a stretch). Overall, this "best" planned setup leaves a few of the versions of Simon's battle of 1692, the SNES Dracula X, Castlevania 64 (not alone, at least), Judgment, Encore of the Night, and Harmony of Despair as well as any other minor releases left out even with three collections. Maybe those could be a fourth "Other" collection, presuming there isn't a split of original timeline 3D games and LoS games into two separate collections. Honestly though, I doubt a fourth collection is going to happen in any case.
This is all supposition, of course. We'll see what we actually get in the future.
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Post by RichterB on Apr 8, 2019 12:27:23 GMT -6
...If this is indeed a Classicvania collection as we expect, other than the four we already have, I expect Bloodlines and Rondo are givens. The interesting thing is whether or not X68000/Chronicles will also be included since that would effectively make three versions of the same basic game. Add Haunted Castle and it's you've got half the collection being about Simon facing Drac. However, I would hope The Adventure ReBirth and possibly Castlevania Legends would be included instead. ...If Legends does indeed get in the first, I'd consider that better odds for Circle in this one. If not, substitute the MSX title Vampire Killer instead as it's fairly close to a Metroidvania reinterpretation of the original game. If a third collection happens, it would be the 3Dvanias. Again, presuming non-canon games are viable, I figure Legacy of Darkness, Lament, Curse, and possibly Dracula X Chronicles on its own. If the Lords of Shadow games are included, probably drop DxC and expand it to six games total. Now, if there ISN'T a third collection planned, it's possible the second half of the known upcoming collection will be 3D titles which are still closer to the classic style. In that case, it's going to be REALLY truncated overall and Mirror of Fate would likely be the 3D title for the second collection (and MAYBE DxC at a stretch). Overall, this "best" planned setup leaves a few of the versions of Simon's battle of 1692, the SNES Dracula X, Castlevania 64 (not alone, at least), Judgment, Encore of the Night, and Harmony of Despair as well as any other minor releases left out even with three collections. Maybe those could be a fourth "Other" collection, presuming there isn't a split of original timeline 3D games and LoS games into two separate collections. Honestly though, I doubt a fourth collection is going to happen in any case.
This is all supposition, of course. We'll see what we actually get in the future.
Your comments bring up some things that came to mind recently. It suddenly hit me that the 2.5D DXC version of Rondo might be on the table for the Classicvania collection. But I don't really think they'd do that unless Rondo is limited to the previous Requiem collection. (You make a good point that the DXC could be part of a 3D collection.) I also think Dracula XX (aka Dracula X SNES) is still a possibility for this first collection given its resurgence on the 3DS and Wii U in recent years. It's also different enough from Rondo to make a case for itself, in my opinion.
I'm starting to lean toward thinking X68000 might just make it, however. Even though it's another remake, its production values and quirks give it some historical value (even if I think Dracula XX is a more entertaining game, personally).
If Simon's Quest is off the table for the Classicvania collection, for me, they've made it a tougher situation to decide what gets in. If the original GB Adventure didn't make it, I don't see Legends making it. So, Bloodlines and the original Rondo are basically no-brainers and obviously the right things to do. But then you're left with X68000, Dracula XX, Adventure Rebirth, and DXC.
The cases for and against each:
X68000 - FOR: Its visually impressive, even when not in Arranged Mode, and has a number of unique scenarios/areas mixed into it. AGAINST: It often feels like it's trying to accomplish what Super Castlevania IV already succeeded in, it doesn't have a huge following, and it would make for a third Simon adventure here.
Dracula XX - FOR: It was North America's (and most of the world's) first official mainstream experience playing Richter, and it has a more arcade-like flow than most Castlevania games, along with a unique art direction and stages that are different from Rondo's. AGAINST: Many consider it a terrible port of Rondo rather than its own thing, and as such, it might be considered redundant.
Adventure Rebirth - FOR: It was the last "original" Classicvania, contained an interesting variable level design, gives Christopher Belmont a bit more representation, and it was only available on the now-defunct WiiWare platform. AGAINST: As many good things as this game has, parts of it come off as low-budget and visually generic/indecisive.
DXC - FOR: It was a 2.5D remake of a treasured Castlevania entry that was restricted to PSP and Playstation-based downloads and contained a number of extras. AGAINST: It doesn't quite play as well as the original Rondo overall, and it may come across as more muddy than timeless.
MSX Vampire Killer is something I considered maybe happening in the Metroidvania collection. It's just a matter of if they think Simon's Quest would cover the earlier days well enough on its own.
I don't think we'll see Haunted Castle make a second appearance, since it's on a separate Arcade Collection.
If the 3D collection does happen, I would hope both CV64 and LoD would be on it. I actually think CV64 is the more complete game experience of the two, even if LoD has more options and various refinements. LoD has a less consistent tone, feeling like grafted-on DLC too often, and makes Reinhardt and Carrie's quests feel somehow more like afterthoughts (we lose certain atmospheric story elements, like the skeletons waking up cut scene). I like what LoD brings to the table, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's a perfect substitute for CV64. |
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Post by ovenkitty on Apr 8, 2019 12:29:45 GMT -6
If a third collection happens, it would be the 3Dvanias. Again, presuming non-canon games are viable, I figure Legacy of Darkness, Lament, Curse, and possibly Dracula X Chronicles on its own. If the Lords of Shadow games are included, probably drop DxC and expand it to six games total. Now, if there ISN'T a third collection planned, it's possible the second half of the known upcoming collection will be 3D titles which are still closer to the classic style. In that case, it's going to be REALLY truncated overall and Mirror of Fate would likely be the 3D title for the second collection (and MAYBE DxC at a stretch). A remastered DXC would be pretty cool. I have the game on PSP, and on PPSSPP it looks so much better. A true HD rendering would do it the justice the PSP just couldn't serve. |
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Post by Galamoth on Apr 8, 2019 12:56:10 GMT -6
and on PPSSPP it looks so much better. A true HD rendering would do it the justice the PSP just couldn't serve. I had to rub my eyes for a second there, thinking I was having a dyslexic moment... Then I found out PPSSPP is an emulator. |
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 8, 2019 12:58:03 GMT -6
I don't think you have to be worried about Haunted Castle taking a spot on this because it's on their arcade collection instead.
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Post by ovenkitty on Apr 8, 2019 13:38:14 GMT -6
GalamothIt's a great emulator, you should check it out!
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 8, 2019 14:20:18 GMT -6
It is really good yeah. I used it for..........test/evaluation of legal software in a 24h period (  ) haha but seriously I tried it with DXC and VP: Lenneth and it was great. Which are games I own, mind you ...but I should have emulated Tactics Ogre, which I never got... |
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