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Post by Zankoukanshokai on Jun 29, 2018 15:03:33 GMT -6
After fighting Zangetsu a couple more times, I found this exploit that trivializes the difficulty of this boss fight. I wanted to show you so this exploit/cheese strategy so that it can be fix. My heart was pumping when I first fought and beat Zangetsu. However, when discovering this cheese strategy, Zangetsu became a super easy boss. This is something I need to spread awareness.
Exploit Video
First time beating Zangetsu
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Post by simon on Jun 29, 2018 20:03:48 GMT -6
Yeah this is horrible...........I just discovered this 10 minutes ago prior to seeing your video. It is crazy that I simply walked through him a bunch of times and got a ton of free kicks at a very rapid pace with my lethal boots equipped! Every kick I landed on this boss hit him in the back and it takes him a long time before he turns around so I got a ton of free attacks in. He didn't hit me a single time.........this trick is laughably easy to pull off and works incredibly well even on your first attempt at it.
IGA needs to make it to where you can't walk through his body.........instead you should take damage if you touch him and you should be knocked back as well.
Another problem is the axe throwing enemy. I simply stood very close to his body and held down (ducking) and it was impossible for him to hit me with his axe (it just barely misses me every time........going right above Miriam's head). The arc on the axe throw needs to be adjusted so that it is thrown closer to the ground (at beginning of the throw, not the end) so this simple ducking trick will no longer work.
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Post by yulia11 on Jun 29, 2018 21:00:14 GMT -6
You can easily cheese the fight with a rapier, which is also affected by Lion's sword mastery, dealing at 30 per slash in addtion to being faster. I cheesed even further with maxed shards. (bats and arrow increase in number with rank)
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Post by mattbat on Jun 29, 2018 21:10:58 GMT -6
Huh. Didn't even think to do this. I guess it just goes to show how ingrained collision damage is in my mind. I suppose this is a perfect example of why it's necessary, even if it doesn't always make sense in the context of the game world.
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Post by Busterific on Jun 29, 2018 21:29:49 GMT -6
Odd thing is, pretty much every other enemy in the demo has collision damage which makes this make even less sense.
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Post by Arikado on Jun 30, 2018 0:46:21 GMT -6
You can easily cheese the fight with a rapier, which is also affected by Lion's sword mastery, dealing at 30 per slash in addtion to being faster. I cheesed even further with maxed shards. (bats and arrow increase in number with rank)I beat him in 10 seconds tops with the Summon Bat shard at rank 6, which is extremely overpowered, along with the Straight Arrow shard at higher ranks. Being overpowered is not so bad if you actually worked hard for it, but enhancing shards is not even hard. It honestly makes me not want to enhance certain shards just to prevent myself from being overpowered so early in the game, and that's definitely an issue that needs the attention of the dev team. Busterific A possible explanation for that is those enemies are demons, while Zangetsu is a human, so it kinda makes sense that coming in contact with him doesn't damage you. |
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Post by abaddon on Jun 30, 2018 4:25:28 GMT -6
Hmm, Amy Ghost spamming locks Zangetsu down and can't do much when there like twenty plus Amy's in the room. also you could just shoot him dead without getting to close to him at all. I Actually think the Vaper and Zangetsu fights are to easy and need to be harder, maybe in a higher mode?
Now thinking about it I wonder if Vaper summon attack will one shot Zangetsu or close to it?
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Post by kronfarfar on Jun 30, 2018 7:01:59 GMT -6
You can easily cheese the fight with a rapier, which is also affected by Lion's sword mastery, dealing at 30 per slash in addtion to being faster. I cheesed even further with maxed shards. (bats and arrow increase in number with rank)I beat him in 10 seconds tops with the Summon Bat shard at rank 6, which is extremely overpowered, along with the Straight Arrow shard at higher ranks. Being overpowered is not so bad if you actually worked hard for it, but enhancing shards is not even hard. It honestly makes me not want to enhance certain shards just to prevent myself from being overpowered so early in the game, and that's definitely an issue that needs the attention of the dev team. Busterific A possible explanation for that is those enemies are demons, while Zangetsu is a human, so it kinda makes sense that coming in contact with him doesn't damage you. I totally agree with this. Using the overpowered enhanced Straight Arrow was very fun but it's way too easy to obtain it. They'll probably add more ingredients for enhancing shards in the full game though. |
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Post by Arikado on Jun 30, 2018 7:23:17 GMT -6
I beat him in 10 seconds tops with the Summon Bat shard at rank 6, which is extremely overpowered, along with the Straight Arrow shard at higher ranks. Being overpowered is not so bad if you actually worked hard for it, but enhancing shards is not even hard. It honestly makes me not want to enhance certain shards just to prevent myself from being overpowered so early in the game, and that's definitely an issue that needs the attention of the dev team. Busterific A possible explanation for that is those enemies are demons, while Zangetsu is a human, so it kinda makes sense that coming in contact with him doesn't damage you. I totally agree with this. Using the overpowered enhanced Straight Arrow was very fun but it's way too easy to obtain it. They'll probably add more ingredients for enhancing shards in the full game though. If the ingredients for mid-high ranked enhancements can only be obtained later in the game, that may fix the issue. Being able to get overpowered very early in the game is never going to be fun, unless you just like to cheese everything with OP abilities. |
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Post by yulia11 on Jun 30, 2018 7:51:19 GMT -6
You can easily cheese the fight with a rapier, which is also affected by Lion's sword mastery, dealing at 30 per slash in addtion to being faster. I cheesed even further with maxed shards. (bats and arrow increase in number with rank)I beat him in 10 seconds tops with the Summon Bat shard at rank 6, which is extremely overpowered, along with the Straight Arrow shard at higher ranks. Being overpowered is not so bad if you actually worked hard for it, but enhancing shards is not even hard. It honestly makes me not want to enhance certain shards just to prevent myself from being overpowered so early in the game, and that's definitely an issue that needs the attention of the dev team. Busterific A possible explanation for that is those enemies are demons, while Zangetsu is a human, so it kinda makes sense that coming in contact with him doesn't damage you. Never knew regular Zangetsu can be so powerful (boss worthy, while still easy). I mean Miraam was so much stronger in Curse of the moon. He appearently has the dash, the jump slash and the hook that we never got to use (or is it the whip). The focus ability actually improves attack, the charm actually does relatively good job for long distance. Now I just want to play as Zangetsu some more.
Stinger was not very hard to make.
And really want to see demon Zangetsu (nightmare mode) mid game.
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