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Post by neff on Jun 29, 2018 8:42:40 GMT -6
Excellent boss fight. The right amount to make a good early boss, but not so easy that it resembles a pushover. I like that the damage on Vepar was retained, yet the attacks follow a pattern that the player can observe.
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Post by abaddon on Jun 29, 2018 15:42:14 GMT -6
If there is harder modes added. When she pushes down the ship have her attack with tentacles. She is just sitting duck during it. I don't know she did seem to be on the easy side of things. I think reducing the hp of the player to 100 and reduce then stats by 5. with no other weapon's except the knife. and gear like the ring. then it would be more balanced.
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Post by Question on Jun 29, 2018 17:15:40 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback. Hearing what is good also helps.
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Post by simon on Jun 29, 2018 17:41:32 GMT -6
This must be a joke. Vepar is severely underpowered and needs a serious buff plus more attack patterns. The shooting water from the mouth attack is especially weak.
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Post by lovelydumpling on Jun 29, 2018 18:13:30 GMT -6
Man, with fans from a spectrum of Symphony to Ecclessia, it's really going to be hard finding a difficulty that suits everyone.
Difficulty options are pretty much mandatory at this point. We need a harder difficulty that's available from the start for those who want a harder game like OoE, and a standard easier difficulty for those like me who want to relax and play it like SotN
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Post by giwagiwa on Jun 29, 2018 19:01:36 GMT -6
I thought the Vepar fight was fun. Much, much better than the demo.
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Post by twilightvulpine on Jun 29, 2018 21:09:06 GMT -6
I've found the tentacle attack a bit unclear and poorly telegraphed. Other than that it's very nice for a first boss.
I also miss the big droopy breasts. It makes sense for a submarine monster, it gives it a waterlogged aspect. If anything the perky tits make it seem more sexualized than before.
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Post by neff on Jun 30, 2018 6:55:49 GMT -6
Man, with fans from a spectrum of Symphony to Ecclessia, it's really going to be hard finding a difficulty that suits everyone. Difficulty options are pretty much mandatory at this point. We need a harder difficulty that's available from the start for those who want a harder game like OoE, and a standard easier difficulty for those like me who want to relax and play it like SotN Well keep in mind that as the first boss of the first section, Vepar is the one most likely to be outleveled simply from...having low stats. |
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Post by CastleDan on Jun 30, 2018 7:16:05 GMT -6
Vepar LOOKS great too. Visually a huge improvement.
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Post by demiurgos on Jul 1, 2018 2:15:50 GMT -6
I also miss the big droopy breasts. It makes sense for a submarine monster, it gives it a waterlogged aspect. If anything the perky tits make it seem more sexualized than before. I believe it was a mistake to re-design Vepar... totally agree with your remarks, twilightvulpine . |
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Post by caer on Jul 1, 2018 2:58:02 GMT -6
Loved the fight, way better than in the 2016 demo in every way. I thought the difficulty was fine for a first boss of the game.
BUT, she has way too little HP. Once I thought, "ah, now I have seen all your moves and have you figured out", she was already dead. There just wasn't enough time to enjoy it. Fix that little gripe and she is an excellent first boss.
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Post by Nezuto on Jul 1, 2018 3:04:14 GMT -6
Fight was a bit too easy, but those visuals were great. The way that her skin is now scaled a bit, her hair looks more like a mass of seaweed now and that magical water sheen she had going all made her much more akin to demonic, rather than just a sea critter.
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Post by zigzagoose on Jul 1, 2018 5:17:29 GMT -6
I think the encounter was fine. It's the boss of the tutorial area after all, and may be the first boss of this genre players encounter.
I also greatly prefer this new look personally.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jul 2, 2018 7:35:33 GMT -6
Vepar looks amazing. I have no regrets on her look change haha. Super slick (literally?)
However I really felt it was over too quickly. I felt like I went straight to her, having been familiar with the galleon layout and didn't get to see much of what she did. I think she needs like at least 1.5x the HP. AI is probably good to go.
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Post by Valtiel on Jul 2, 2018 15:09:36 GMT -6
I like the new model and improved camera. My main issue is that she's too easy. She needs at least one more attack that can cause some decent damage, a HP boost, and you shouldn't be able to hit her when she's in the background. I found that last issue especially silly, because when you look at the size difference between her in the background and her in the field of play, there's no way she close enough to be getting hit all the way back there.
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Post by allooutrick on Jul 2, 2018 20:12:13 GMT -6
As a first boss to get players acquainted with the game, I feel Vepar was a great fight. It taught players to observe the background as well as the main portion of the fight without being overly punishing.
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Post by Ziazis on Jul 3, 2018 6:10:37 GMT -6
I like the new model and improved camera. My main issue is that she's too easy. She needs at least one more attack that can cause some decent damage, a HP boost, and you shouldn't be able to hit her when she's in the background. I found that last issue especially silly, because when you look at the size difference between her in the background and her in the field of play, there's no way she close enough to be getting hit all the way back there. You can hit her while she does the water attack in the background, because it is a 2D game. I've never seen a Igavania game in which the boss is not hittable if it attacks from the "side". Since they all attack from the background... You're overthinking the "depth" of the background. She is literally just spitting the watter from the corner of the ship not from the other side of the ocean. |
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Post by Valtiel on Jul 3, 2018 8:53:34 GMT -6
I like the new model and improved camera. My main issue is that she's too easy. She needs at least one more attack that can cause some decent damage, a HP boost, and you shouldn't be able to hit her when she's in the background. I found that last issue especially silly, because when you look at the size difference between her in the background and her in the field of play, there's no way she close enough to be getting hit all the way back there. You can hit her while she does the water attack in the background, because it is a 2D game. I've never seen a Igavania game in which the boss is not hittable if it attacks from the "side". Since they all attack from the background... You're overthinking the "depth" of the background. She is literally just spitting the watter from the corner of the ship not from the other side of the ocean. Compare her size when she's in the background compared to when she's in front of the ship. She's pretty far away. In previous games if you were able to hit an enemy in the background it was only because some part of them was on the same plane as the player character (see the twin dragons boss from Circle of the Moon, whose bodies were in the background but heads were in the foreground). |
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Post by freddythemonkey on Jul 3, 2018 9:49:38 GMT -6
It makes no sense to be able to hit her in the background. This isn't 2D so depth has to be taken into consideration. To me it's pretty clear that Vepar backs away for the water splash, since she's smaller.
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Post by Ziazis on Jul 4, 2018 4:21:37 GMT -6
Guys, her hitbox is not her whole body though but only the "head/chest part" which is leaned towards you to be able to spit that water at you. So if you ask me it makes sense.
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