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Post by Pure Miriam on May 21, 2017 7:08:23 GMT -6
Zangetsu's 3D model Thanks to those two threads Zangetsu's 3D Model revealed! and Iga at BitSummit 2017 we was able to see Zangetsu's 3D model and some bits of information about him. IGA said that Zangetsu was created because he needed more characters, since this is a new game, and also because he wanted a classic japanese character, since none of his games ever had one. He enlightened us with some information about Zangetsu, saying that when demons showed up 10 years ago, he lost a beloved friend to them, alongside his right arm (and one of his eyes, i can guess). So, Zangetsu see anything demon-related as something to be destroyed with no mercy. Considering this new information, i decided to open this thread to make some questions regarding Zangetsu's role in the game. So, here goes: Zangetsu's first concept design. 1) ZANGETSU AS A PLAYABLE CHARACTER
I think this is the first thing many have thought when Zangetsu was first introduced, and many still have that idea. Thanks to a stretch goal from kickstarter, Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night will have three playable characters. One is Miriam. And we don't know who the other two will be. Many speculate that one will be Zangetsu. So, considering this, i ask: What do you think? Do you want Zangetsu as a playable character? If yes, how do you think his gameplay could be?2) ZANGETSU AS A ANTI-HERO BOSS
IGA said that Zangetsu dislike anything demon-related and want to destroy everything and anything that has anything to do with demons. Miriam is a beacon to attract demons, thanks to the magi-curse. So, killing Miriam could help end the demon manifestations on earth? Even if that is not the case, Miriam still has a relationship with the demon world, considering she can even harness their powers as Shards. Zangetsu has a ton of reasons to kill her. In the other hand, Miriam is actively battling them, so, Zangetsu could see her as a unfortunate victmin of this whole mess and decides to help her instead. What do you think? Do you want to see Zangetsu as a Anti-hero Boss at some part of the game? Or you prefer him as a supporter demon hunter?
3) WHO IS ZANGETSU'S BELOVED FRIEND? AND WHAT KILLED HIM/HER?
Zangetsu lost a beloved friend during the demon's first attack 10 years ago. That may not be much, but that can also be much more important than we think. Who is that person? A wanna-be girlfriend/boyfriend? A hunter comrade? And that person will, somehow, show up in the game later on? Maybe as a memory, or as a reincarnated demon for him to slay? Also, who, or what, killed his beloved friend? A random demon? A important Boss we will fight later on? Maybe Gebel himself? What do you think? Who do you think Zangetsu's beloved friend was? And do you think he/she will make a comeback? How?4) ZANGETSU'S TIES TO JAPAN
Why Zangetsu traveled from Japan to Europe? Maybe Zangetsu fought demons in Japan, before they showed up in Europe? Or he is fightning demons since way before that and sensed the danger, traveling to Europe as a result? Maybe, Zangetsu is japanese but he was living in Europe for some reason. Maybe, he has information about something more dangerous and sinister and that could be the reason he was in Europe? What do you think? Zangetsu traveled from Japan to Europe just do slay demons? Or there is something more sinister in place?5) ZANGETSU AS A DEMON HUNTER PATRIARCH OR DESCENDANT
It was said before that Zangetsu is a Demon Hunter. We don't know for how long, since we don't know if there was any demons on earth before their first summoning, 10 years ago. But even so, Zangetsu could fill up a role like Leon from Lamment of Innocence. He could be the patriarch of a line (blood related or not) of Demon Hunters, if Bloodstained became a franchise. People with special powers and techniques to slay demons. While Miriam is a semi-failed experiment from alchemists, Zangetsu is the true Demon Hunter here and he could emulate Belmont's role at the Castlevania series. But something even bigger could be in place. Demons could be something that is being fought for ages and Zangetsu is the current Demon Hunter from a hidden, secret, powerful line of Demon Hunters from the past. What do you think? Zangetsu could be the patriarch for a Demon Hunter family / line of hunters? Or maybe he is the current descendant of a long line of Demon Hunters?
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Post by CastleDan on May 21, 2017 7:31:06 GMT -6
I do want him to be a playable character and I suspect he will be. I'm gonna just broadly give me thoughts on him. I believe he wil the serve the purpose that the belmonts did. He's kinda the Julius Belmont of this game, someone who doesn't trust you at first because there's a curse within you. You will probably fight him because of this but eventually he will become a great Ally.
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Post by Dengojin on May 21, 2017 9:47:24 GMT -6
Interesting topic as always, Pure Miriam.
I think one Zangetsu's main gameplay elements will be his artificial arm, maybe it will be upgradable for special abilities or whatever.. who knows ? but I can see this to be a thing if he's playable.
I don't think he will have any equipments, but possibly different sword stances ? because Japanese sword combat include many different stances the one Zangetsu is using in this video is called Ko Gasumi No Kamae, maybe it will replace the shard equipment slots from Miriam to stance switches but who knows ?
His role : I have always imagined Nobunaga to be involved in this game when I first saw the artwork showing the Japanese shrines, maybe Nobunaga was related to the demons and Zangetsu's family were resposible for stopping Nobunaga and they have been demon hunting since then ?
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Post by Galamoth on May 21, 2017 12:45:01 GMT -6
I love Zangetsu's stance here. If he'll indeed be playable (most likely), I'd love to see how different his basic attacks and fighting style are from Miriam's. He ideally should be a whole lot more skilled with the use of katanas than Miriam, for sure. Especially with his Ofuda, I can't wait to see all of the crazy moves Zangetsu could possibly pull off. He'd probably be the equivalent of Getsu Fuma in Bloodstained's Classic Mode.
As for his basic role, in short, I imagine that Zangetsu will almost be like Julius (except without the memory loss). If you're expecting him to be exactly like Julius, and you'll be forced to fight him, I imagine he'll be fought earlier than expected. Maybe twice. (Similarly to Trevor's fights in Curse of Darkness)
Here's a crazy idea for a plot twist, and perhaps why another certain character was inactive for 10 years. Maybe Miriam herself was the 'beloved friend' that Zangetsu believed was killed 10 years ago. (Miriam's character-description right on the Kickstarter page states that "for 10 years she lay sleeping while the Curse matured to its full form"...)
Oh... I have a feeling Miriam's encounter with Zangetsu is going to be unexpectedly tragic...
(EDIT): Then again, I'm sure the timing for what happened 10 years ago for both Miriam and Zangetsu could be pure coincidence. It's just as likely these two never knew each other until the events of Bloodstained.
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Post by Busterific on May 21, 2017 12:49:35 GMT -6
Zangetsu with an "Bionic Commando" style arm where the hand is attached to a chain and can be shot out to grab things and a distance, and maybe swing from chandeliers and such.
My first thought on him traveling to Europe was that he was chasing after a specific demon, namely the one that killed his beloved friend.
I would be somewhat disappointed if he didn't have at least some equipment options. Even if it was just different armor, and maybe his stance changing depending on a specific sword that was equipped would be good.
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Post by Yän on May 21, 2017 15:19:59 GMT -6
What is Zangetsu's role in Bloodstained? The answer is simple: Being Japanese, IGA just had to HIRE A SAMURAI!For those who don't get it |
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Post by chocolatestain on May 22, 2017 10:04:25 GMT -6
He looks awesome. Would definitely like him as a playable character.
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Post by kronfarfar on May 22, 2017 12:06:13 GMT -6
As someone already said I really hope they give him an equipment menu of some sort.
The bonus characters in the other IGAvanias always felt so barebones and I really don't think it would take that much extra time to program Zangetsu to be able to equip different katanas/armor.
It makes the exploration part much more enjoyable instead of just finding HP/MP-ups.
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Post by Shax on May 22, 2017 13:50:10 GMT -6
That stance does look familiar. I can't remember where I've seen it though.
I'd think he'd be a boss towards the end and/or a boss dependent on the ending of the game. He could be playable as well...or both. I'm not sure how he would play but he'd probably be physically stronger than Miriam but not as magically attuned.
Friend killed: I'd say it was an apprentice. Seeing somebody die who wanted to do what you do and be like you...really ignites the flame of hate.
Why he's in Europe: I'd think he travels around the world periodically and hunts demons for a living.
His demon hunting lineage: Probably received training from somebody else (maybe a temple since the Church seems to train Exorcists). His stance would definitely suggest training of some kind.
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Post by demiurgos on May 24, 2017 1:59:51 GMT -6
Something tells me Zangetsu is actually half demon, a cambion/nephilim of some sorts... a subtle nod to the dual nature of Alucard.  |
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