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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jan 12, 2017 11:18:07 GMT -6
Hi guys. General talk about fighting games. We have a topic for MvC Infinite and one for Street Fighter V buried here somewheres, but this would cover all other things and thoughts on them/their community in a general sense.
Of interest RIGHT NOW, and this poll ends today, please vote in this for Arcana Heart:
My preference is for the "20 years" option, though I think 10 would be ideal. I just want more people to play it, and the cast of young girls has held it back from wider appeal. I think that the characters being older would allow more individuality/personality than just a crowd of "cute moe girls" as they are normally perceived, hopefully each standing on their own more to even casual observers.
Arcana is great. More people should try it.
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Post by Goobsausage on Jan 12, 2017 14:34:58 GMT -6
I tried Arcana with some other people a few years ago when a local game store was doing a fighting game night. I thought it was amusing to try out for 10 minutes, but not something I think I'd pick up. Everyone else there was either creeped out by it or disinterested and went off to play Injustice, Smash Bros, Street Fighter, MK9, and Skullgirls.
Has SF5 gotten any better over the past year?
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Post by crocodile on Jan 12, 2017 15:05:57 GMT -6
Who is to say that if they set the game 20 years into the future, they don't just include a mostly whole new cast of lolis? LOL
But yeah, before I even finished reading your post I was aiming for the "20 year time skip" option with the thought of "if they age up all/most of the cast that would be sweet!"
I've never actually played the Arcana Heat series but I've seen and heard enough about it to 100% believe the series has a lot to offer aside from lolis. But still.........were they necessary Examu/Japan?
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jan 16, 2017 8:31:09 GMT -6
Everyone else there was either creeped out by it or disinterested and went off to play Injustice, Smash Bros, Street Fighter, MK9, and Skullgirls. See, that's exactly the response I mean. Me personally, I am all for the aesthetic changing any way it needs to for more people to not feel weird about playing it. It isn't about the characters/their designs to me, but just how fun the game is to experiment with. I play Fiona and wouldn't care if she was 20 years older or even a robot or something, lol. The game has more variety and possibilities than pretty much any other game.
Has SF5 gotten any better over the past year? Yeah. Meaningfully? Not really.
Who is to say that if they set the game 20 years into the future, they don't just include a mostly whole new cast of lolis? LOL But yeah, before I even finished reading your post I was aiming for the "20 year time skip" option with the thought of "if they age up all/most of the cast that would be sweet!" I've never actually played the Arcana Heat series but I've seen and heard enough about it to 100% believe the series has a lot to offer aside from lolis. But still.........were they necessary Examu/Japan? lol yep, that's pretty much how I feel about it. To the first thought though, some people were thinking that as a serious consideration lol, but I would think that would contrast with the "another story" option if they just wanted to do "other lolis"...because those would end up being the same thing in effect.
Two years later won as I had expected, which certainly isn't the end of the world and probably the best for core fans that really liked how things already were while being a slight compromise where they can alter the aesthetics a little bit. The young characters will still be quite young, though...but...I mean, that's Arcana Heart after all lol.
One consolation to the seeming perverted nature of it, the game goes quite far out of its way to block panty shots. Outside of the characters that are wearing outright swim wear/gym shorts, you can't produce a look at their undies in any way in-game. It really doesn't flaunt boobs with move animations like many fighting games do, either (i.e. Skullgirls), though some girls do have large busts...mostly the robot and Maori.
edit: And hey, for those who may have not seen this yet:
Unfortunately, GG is at a point of diminishing returns where no one else is going to play it lol
It could get better and better and more people are still going to play while bitching about SF5. heh
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Post by crocodile on Jan 18, 2017 17:10:27 GMT -6
Everyone else there was either creeped out by it or disinterested and went off to play Injustice, Smash Bros, Street Fighter, MK9, and Skullgirls. See, that's exactly the response I mean. Me personally, I am all for the aesthetic changing any way it needs to for more people to not feel weird about playing it. It isn't about the characters/their designs to me, but just how fun the game is to experiment with. I play Fiona and wouldn't care if she was 20 years older or even a robot or something, lol. The game has more variety and possibilities than pretty much any other game.
Has SF5 gotten any better over the past year? Yeah. Meaningfully? Not really.
Who is to say that if they set the game 20 years into the future, they don't just include a mostly whole new cast of lolis? LOL But yeah, before I even finished reading your post I was aiming for the "20 year time skip" option with the thought of "if they age up all/most of the cast that would be sweet!" I've never actually played the Arcana Heat series but I've seen and heard enough about it to 100% believe the series has a lot to offer aside from lolis. But still.........were they necessary Examu/Japan? lol yep, that's pretty much how I feel about it. To the first thought though, some people were thinking that as a serious consideration lol, but I would think that would contrast with the "another story" option if they just wanted to do "other lolis"...because those would end up being the same thing in effect.
Two years later won as I had expected, which certainly isn't the end of the world and probably the best for core fans that really liked how things already were while being a slight compromise where they can alter the aesthetics a little bit. The young characters will still be quite young, though...but...I mean, that's Arcana Heart after all lol.
One consolation to the seeming perverted nature of it, the game goes quite far out of its way to block panty shots. Outside of the characters that are wearing outright swim wear/gym shorts, you can't produce a look at their undies in any way in-game. It really doesn't flaunt boobs with move animations like many fighting games do, either (i.e. Skullgirls), though some girls do have large busts...mostly the robot and Maori.
edit: And hey, for those who may have not seen this yet:
Unfortunately, GG is at a point of diminishing returns where no one else is going to play it lol
It could get better and better and more people are still going to play while bitching about SF5. heh To be honest, and this reflects not only my personal opinion and preferences and how I've seen other people react to the content of different games, I think the vast majority of Western fighting game fans are ok with fanservice - even a lot of fanservice - as long as it doesn't involve lolis. Obviously content high in sex appeal will justifiably turn off some people but overall, more people seem more than fine with Street Fighter (which seems more fanservicey than ever), Tekken, Blazblue and Guilty Gear, King of Fighters, Mortal Kombat, etc. that are all filled with sexy women. Of course, they also all have a good range of male characters for those who prefer them as well. Skullgirls, given that it is a small fighter put out by a small developer, is more popular than I'd argue its artsyle may suggest at first glance. I think what distinguishes something like Skullgirls from Arcana Heart (aside from better developer communication, better netcode and wildly different gameplay) is that its hard to discern much cynical from it. Arcana Heart is filled with exclusively (or almost exclusively) generic under-aged girl anime tropes. At a first glance, when people are prone to make snap judgements, it seems made to pander to people who like that stuff. For all its fanservice, and there is a lot of it, its hard to argue that Skullgirls is "made to pander" when you have designs like Painwheel or Double in the game. Or when Ms. Fortune is ripping her own head off to attack you. The same way I've never really heard many people take issue with Morrigan or Felicia in Darkstalkers. Those are fanservicey designs but because of the context people are more willing to roll with them. Skullgirls looks more like something made because that's what the artists wanted to make (and that becomes super obvious if you talk to the developers or read what they have wrote and what they like) whereas Arcana Heart looks, fairly or not, more "lets cash in on people who love anime girls!". This same sense of cynicism I think is also what plagues Dead or Alive even though it has tons of male characters. Regardless of the gameplay, a lot of the way Tecmo-Koei acts and advertises DoA SCREAMS "buy this game for its sexy women!". TLDR: To your average Western fighting game fan -Fanservice = ok, even to a high degree as long as the game isn't too cynical about it. Offering plenty of other options helps a lot too. -One or two kid/teenage girl characters are ok but too many crosses the line. Also don't sexualize them at all!
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Post by Lestaroth on Jan 25, 2017 9:10:34 GMT -6
...Sincerely, people should stop judging so fast on a videogame's content, especially when it is doesn't mean to create controversy in the first place. I mean, it's it not like it is MK or Dead or Alive (and even, these two series are great, even if I'll pass on MK 9) That said, I kind of would joke on the fact that the store owners took a risk of being "looked at with disgust and mocked for even trying it". Hell, I'd even say they DID try the game for that purpose (or then it would be a genuine intent of giving it a chance, which I doubt a bit about).
This is also why some gems from Japan never got their port in the Western world (NTSC US, PAL, Aus.), it is about some commercial gamble most of the time. On the other hand companies did refuse to port their games in the name of "carefulness" or plain lack of trust, or even less logical reasons. Countless games have been sent to limbo or cancelled at an advanced stage for this. In fact, it is a reason why Master IGA found so much trouble in the first place, companies were not ready for him and his great plans, they already had their own schemes, but also had preconcepts of "this and that", some being totally arbitrary (this is also why he went for the kickstarter "jump into the great unknown" pick and met tremendous success...*).
I admit I would have never bet on the Arcana Hearts series to be available in Europe and the US. The loli culture is typical of Japan after all. Even if manga and anime broke through there (The country where I am from did get anime in the 80's -even if it was in a butchered form- and that is was part of my cherished childhood), loli is not something the lambda person is okay with. I did encounter AH 3 in the game shop where I ought to go today but I did not buy it, not because there lolis are part of the cast, but because I had other choices to make. (I do know that playability, the sounds, music, etc. are all good... these are what I look in a game first.) I could even tell you if I see it today. I won't purchase it, though. Haha.
Oh and for another series with an all-female cast, I can advise you Vanguard Princess. The basic form for PC is free, sadly its progress got about totally halted after the Fukushima earthquake. There is a Steam version of it that sadly adds little to it.
Do your best to show that games aren't that bad, even if they have different content sometimes (my signature reflects this). It's okay to have games with extremely violent content, but lolis that go for a scuffle are a huge no-no? How messed up is that? Sadly it will not be solved at all, even with time. Such is the way humans go.
*I must thank the other project I won't tell the name of, for inspiring him. We most probably wouldn't have Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night without it. The game itself, the passion and sheer determination to make it work and the legendary team that is behind the helm... This is why I participated in the project and I have no regrets. *Raised fist*
P.S.: I want MvC 2 back on XBox 360... Wahhhhhhhhh!
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jan 25, 2017 11:10:43 GMT -6
crocodile and Lestaroth Really, the game is all girls, but only a handful of them could be called lolis. Just looking at the character list, about 6 out of 23. Of those, I can only say that only maybe two could be perceived as being sexualized in some way, and that's likely why the Twitter account specifically asked about Kira and Konoha. Specifically, Kira just wears a gym swimsuit and is in a blob, while Konoha wear something similar and fixes her tail. The game doesn't show characters' underwear at any point, but since those are swimwear, technically you can always see them. There really isn't much of a "sexy" thing going on the majority of the time, but the tone can be perceived as pretty bad.
I myself am not a player that feels the need to pick a character that he/she can "self insert" into, or be representative of something about myself, etc. It also seems that a lot of guys won't play a female character (or even think they should be in the game) if they're not sexually attracted to them, i.e. if they can't "see themselves" as the character (a male) and the character isn't attractive to them, why bother? That rules out a lot of the AH cast then, for a lot of people, since there's that "why would I play a girl I can't even enjoy looking at" thing. For me, if what they do/look like is cool and fun, that's about all I care about. I can, however, sometimes see character traits of mine in female characters and pick them based on that, too, and even in doing that not want to have sex with them.
It can be a very polarizing thing based on the individual.
Oh hey Dengojin , Eliza!! lol now there's a sexualized character hahaha. She's cool though
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Post by Lestaroth on Jan 25, 2017 12:13:44 GMT -6
I didn't even check the games' rosters prior to my reply to you. I guess I should have. Sorry. The sad part is that people tend to FOCUS on what they find "inacceptable" or at least "uncomfortable" then generalize on it all, show it to others so the scorn gets popular. As old as humanity. You know the expression: "Sex sells". Countless games focus on that. Some even make it a marketing tool, while the rest of the product is sheer junk. I don't need to give you examples for that. The AH series are not in that trend. The funniest is in MMOs. Me being a veteran player (not to brag) of one of them, I saw from time to time people scamming others under the pretense they're female in reality (be them covert males or not). Swindling in a game. Seriously ridiculous. Pathetic. crocodile and Lestaroth Really, the game is all girls, but only a handful of them could be called lolis. Just looking at the character list, about 6 out of 23. Of those, I can only say that only maybe two could be perceived as being sexualized in some way, and that's likely why the Twitter account specifically asked about Kira and Konoha. Specifically, Kira just wears a gym swimsuit and is in a blob, while Konoha wear something similar and fixes her tail. The game doesn't show characters' underwear at any point, but since those are swimwear, technically you can always see them. There really isn't much of a "sexy" thing going on the majority of the time, but the tone can be perceived as pretty bad.
I myself am not a player that feels the need to pick a character that he/she can "self insert" into, or be representative of something about myself, etc. It also seems that a lot of guys won't play a female character (or even think they should be in the game) if they're not sexually attracted to them, i.e. if they can't "see themselves" as the character (a male) and the character isn't attractive to them, why bother? That rules out a lot of the AH cast then, for a lot of people, since there's that "why would I play a girl I can't even enjoy looking at" thing. For me, if what they do/look like is cool and fun, that's about all I care about. I can, however, sometimes see character traits of mine in female characters and pick them based on that, too, and even in doing that not want to have sex with them.
It can be a very polarizing thing based on the individual.
Oh hey Dengojin , Eliza!! lol now there's a sexualized character hahaha. She's cool though
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Post by crocodile on Jan 25, 2017 15:55:51 GMT -6
Heads up but the EVO 2017 Line-Up was announced yesterday: SFV (Sunday) Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2 (Saturday) Smash 4 (Sunday) Melee (Saturday) Injustice 2 (Saturday) Blazblue Central Fiction (Sunday) Tekken 7 (Sunday) KOFXIV (Saturday) and then a final game that will be decided by a donation drive. You can donate here if you want. Games in the drive are: ARMS Killer Instinct Mortal Kombat XL Nidhogg Pokkén Tournament Skullgirls Super Street Fighter II Turbo Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Windjammers ...Sincerely, people should stop judging so fast on a videogame's content, especially when it is doesn't mean to create controversy in the first place. I mean, it's it not like it is MK or Dead or Alive (and even, these two series are great, even if I'll pass on MK 9) That said, I kind of would joke on the fact that the store owners took a risk of being "looked at with disgust and mocked for even trying it". Hell, I'd even say they DID try the game for that purpose (or then it would be a genuine intent of giving it a chance, which I doubt a bit about). This is also why some gems from Japan never got their port in the Western world (NTSC US, PAL, Aus.), it is about some commercial gamble most of the time. On the other hand companies did refuse to port their games in the name of "carefulness" or plain lack of trust, or even less logical reasons. Countless games have been sent to limbo or cancelled at an advanced stage for this. In fact, it is a reason why Master IGA found so much trouble in the first place, companies were not ready for him and his great plans, they already had their own schemes, but also had preconcepts of "this and that", some being totally arbitrary (this is also why he went for the kickstarter "jump into the great unknown" pick and met tremendous success...*). I admit I would have never bet on the Arcana Hearts series to be available in Europe and the US. The loli culture is typical of Japan after all. Even if manga and anime broke through there (The country where I am from did get anime in the 80's -even if it was in a butchered form- and that is was part of my cherished childhood), loli is not something the lambda person is okay with. I did encounter AH 3 in the game shop where I ought to go today but I did not buy it, not because there lolis are part of the cast, but because I had other choices to make. (I do know that playability, the sounds, music, etc. are all good... these are what I look in a game first.) I could even tell you if I see it today. I won't purchase it, though. Haha. Oh and for another series with an all-female cast, I can advise you Vanguard Princess. The basic form for PC is free, sadly its progress got about totally halted after the Fukushima earthquake. There is a Steam version of it that sadly adds little to it. Do your best to show that games aren't that bad, even if they have different content sometimes (my signature reflects this). It's okay to have games with extremely violent content, but lolis that go for a scuffle are a huge no-no? How messed up is that? Sadly it will not be solved at all, even with time. Such is the way humans go. *I must thank the other project I won't tell the name of, for inspiring him. We most probably wouldn't have Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night without it. The game itself, the passion and sheer determination to make it work and the legendary team that is behind the helm... This is why I participated in the project and I have no regrets. *Raised fist* P.S.: I want MvC 2 back on XBox 360... Wahhhhhhhhh! I think I was able to extract all the relevant information and opinions from this post but I'd be lying if I said this wasn't a bit hard to read? Also I'm not sure I'd draw a line from AH to Bloodstained - the reason the later had trouble finding a funder at first had nothing to do with aesthetics and everything to do with publishers who thought a "Metroidvania" wouldn't be profitable to fund. crocodile and Lestaroth Really, the game is all girls, but only a handful of them could be called lolis. Just looking at the character list, about 6 out of 23. Of those, I can only say that only maybe two could be perceived as being sexualized in some way, and that's likely why the Twitter account specifically asked about Kira and Konoha. Specifically, Kira just wears a gym swimsuit and is in a blob, while Konoha wear something similar and fixes her tail. The game doesn't show characters' underwear at any point, but since those are swimwear, technically you can always see them. There really isn't much of a "sexy" thing going on the majority of the time, but the tone can be perceived as pretty bad.
I myself am not a player that feels the need to pick a character that he/she can "self insert" into, or be representative of something about myself, etc. It also seems that a lot of guys won't play a female character (or even think they should be in the game) if they're not sexually attracted to them, i.e. if they can't "see themselves" as the character (a male) and the character isn't attractive to them, why bother? That rules out a lot of the AH cast then, for a lot of people, since there's that "why would I play a girl I can't even enjoy looking at" thing. For me, if what they do/look like is cool and fun, that's about all I care about. I can, however, sometimes see character traits of mine in female characters and pick them based on that, too, and even in doing that not want to have sex with them.
It can be a very polarizing thing based on the individual.
Oh hey Dengojin , Eliza!! lol now there's a sexualized character hahaha. She's cool though I don't know how much it is about the inability to self-insert or the inability to be attracted to a character that is the driving factor for gamers to play or avoid a specific game. Obviously it matters for many gamers but I don't know if its the majority and I really don't think its the case with AH. I think arguing how many of them exactly are lolis and exactly how sexualized they are is also arguing semantics. At the end of the day and as a function of our culture, most Western gamers don't designs like those and most gamers who play enough Japanese games or are at least aware of them will pick up on the "goals" of said designs (whether they are fair or not). If you stick a little girl in a school swimsuit most gamers aren't going to go "UGH MY EYES THEY BLEED!" rather they are going to think to themselves "I don't find that interesting" or "I see you Japan and I see what you are trying to do.....". This isn't an indictment on the quality of the game and again in the grand scheme of things it might be unfair but aesthetics do matter in a visual medium. Hell even if they wanted to keep the series as one that features an all-girl cast, I feel its very easy to change the designs or make new ones that would be more appealing to Western gamers and still distinctively Japanese and not a copy of other Japanese games (assuming they want to do that). I mean just compare and contrast the cast of AH to the female cast of most Japanese fighting games popular in the West. The differences are pretty clear.
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crocodile I try to make it the most readable possible with bullet points and spaces between lines, but again, it may get a tad complex (messy at times, even) to read when I am inspired. Right, a metroidvania wasn't looked well upon, but it's not all, it also was about western markets being even more reluctant towards the genre, even if CSOTN and the subsequent games were well-received. It goes the other way too, with Japanese markets almost being shuttered... I even heard about game regions calling the others full of junk games, uninspired or doomed to fail over and over. That is not healthy. That is not the spirit I grew in. I'd say that game companies can act like conceited jerks sometimes. But I'm glad that all is in the past regarding the dream we are currently working on. I also never felt like feeding the industry too much, even if I tend to build my little dream game collection on the systems I own (and I target the used bin for that). ...as for the reply to purifyweirdsoul, there are three words I forgot to put in my own post, that I shall correct now: "clash of cultures" This is also why the indie market is popular nowadays. That's all for now! Edit: I browsed the XBox 360 bins when I went to the game shop... AH 3 wasn't there anymore. I guess that someone did buy it after all.
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Post by Dengojin on Jan 25, 2017 17:00:57 GMT -6
crocodile and Lestaroth Really, the game is all girls, but only a handful of them could be called lolis. Just looking at the character list, about 6 out of 23. Of those, I can only say that only maybe two could be perceived as being sexualized in some way, and that's likely why the Twitter account specifically asked about Kira and Konoha. Specifically, Kira just wears a gym swimsuit and is in a blob, while Konoha wear something similar and fixes her tail. The game doesn't show characters' underwear at any point, but since those are swimwear, technically you can always see them. There really isn't much of a "sexy" thing going on the majority of the time, but the tone can be perceived as pretty bad.
I myself am not a player that feels the need to pick a character that he/she can "self insert" into, or be representative of something about myself, etc. It also seems that a lot of guys won't play a female character (or even think they should be in the game) if they're not sexually attracted to them, i.e. if they can't "see themselves" as the character (a male) and the character isn't attractive to them, why bother? That rules out a lot of the AH cast then, for a lot of people, since there's that "why would I play a girl I can't even enjoy looking at" thing. For me, if what they do/look like is cool and fun, that's about all I care about. I can, however, sometimes see character traits of mine in female characters and pick them based on that, too, and even in doing that not want to have sex with them.
It can be a very polarizing thing based on the individual.
Oh hey Dengojin , Eliza!! lol now there's a sexualized character hahaha. She's cool though Yes that got me so damn excited! I can't wait for June 2nd
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jan 26, 2017 9:54:59 GMT -6
crocodile, yeah I always listen to the Evo lineup reveal live lol. I've been every year since 2009 now. See, I think the distinction/what you call semantics of it had to be pointed out because otherwise, reading this thread and from cursory glances, it would very much look like pedo hentai fighter. The tone of the game is subjectively what the player makes it, indeed. I've played them since the first title, and the feeling I really get from it is that they're focusing on the pure spirit of the characters. Purity in itself is an attraction point to many, sure, but the game more than anything is cute in a more wholesome sense, energetic, silly, humorous. I can't really feel dirty playing it because more than anything it's just good fun. Mostly, outside knowledge of just how things are in the world tarnish it. There aren't a whole lot of "I see what you're doing, Japan" moments outside of what I already said, which are graphically more mild than Valentine squeezing out the contents of a syringe with her boobs in Skullgirls. The young-ness in AH brings it more to that level of risqué, yeah, but it's only the person viewing it interpreting it a certain way. Comparatively, I don't think there's a reason our ninja nurse needs to do that lol You're right on things being how they are with people, but I'm more saying the game itself isn't fairly judged, written off more often a lot worse than it is. I personally know players that have verbalized those "can't identify/am not attracted" reasons for not playing the game/characters, as well, so that's why I'd brought that up, it's not so much just conjecture. All in all, I mean I myself voted and was lobbying for the 20-year skip just because I want the game to do better and folks then able to get over these things, and well...2 years ended up winning, so here's hoping some kind of meaningful change comes from that, be it design or something to help the perception.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Feb 3, 2017 10:43:29 GMT -6
crocodile, did you see my last post? Also, I posted this in the streams thread, but it belongs here as well for those that might be interested in something to watch: Tomorrow from noon to about 8 PM EST, here in North Carolina we'll be doing the Lost Ark Cup, a qualifiers-only event from a 2016 ranking season. The winners for SF5 and GG Xrd get full paid sponsorship to Evo 2017 (flight, hotel, funds, etc). I'm #1 in points for the season in Guilty Gear, but I don't really expect to win lol. Super Turbo and Third Strike both have a prize of $1000. The schedule for right now is (EST) ST at noon 3S at 1 GG at 4 SF5 at 6
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Post by crocodile on Feb 9, 2017 14:30:46 GMT -6
It seems UMvC3 won the Evo Donation Drive. I'm not going to lie, as someone who wouldn't be going to Evo and thus has very little stake in which game makes it, I kind of wanted Pokken to win to see the salt flow. Either way, congrats to UMvC3 and congrats to all the money raised for charity. crocodile , yeah I always listen to the Evo lineup reveal live lol. I've been every year since 2009 now. See, I think the distinction/what you call semantics of it had to be pointed out because otherwise, reading this thread and from cursory glances, it would very much look like pedo hentai fighter. The tone of the game is subjectively what the player makes it, indeed. I've played them since the first title, and the feeling I really get from it is that they're focusing on the pure spirit of the characters. Purity in itself is an attraction point to many, sure, but the game more than anything is cute in a more wholesome sense, energetic, silly, humorous. I can't really feel dirty playing it because more than anything it's just good fun. Mostly, outside knowledge of just how things are in the world tarnish it. There aren't a whole lot of "I see what you're doing, Japan" moments outside of what I already said, which are graphically more mild than Valentine squeezing out the contents of a syringe with her boobs in Skullgirls. The young-ness in AH brings it more to that level of risqué, yeah, but it's only the person viewing it interpreting it a certain way. Comparatively, I don't think there's a reason our ninja nurse needs to do that lol You're right on things being how they are with people, but I'm more saying the game itself isn't fairly judged, written off more often a lot worse than it is. I personally know players that have verbalized those "can't identify/am not attracted" reasons for not playing the game/characters, as well, so that's why I'd brought that up, it's not so much just conjecture. All in all, I mean I myself voted and was lobbying for the 20-year skip just because I want the game to do better and folks then able to get over these things, and well...2 years ended up winning, so here's hoping some kind of meaningful change comes from that, be it design or something to help the perception. I would say that I totally understand what you're saying in that there is more to the game than meets the eye and that it in some respects gets more flak than it deserves. It's obviously not an actual hentai fighter. At the same time, given Western cultural predilections, and I don't even mean that pejoratively since I do think AH expresses some aspects of Japanese culture I'm prone to critique, there are just a lot of aesthetic design choices that are going to naturally turn off a lot of people and I don't think the game is clever or unique enough it what it does, unlike say Skullgirls, to offset some of the less appealing aspects of itself. There are different ways to do cute and the game does cute in a way obviously taliored to otakus - that is something a lot of FGC people can pick up on. I am curious as to what AH 4 ends up looking like though. I think there are ways to both stay true to the spirit of the franchise so far and broaden its appeal - I'm curious as to if the dev team can figure out the best path moving forward. crocodile , did you see my last post? Also, I posted this in the streams thread, but it belongs here as well for those that might be interested in something to watch: Tomorrow from noon to about 8 PM EST, here in North Carolina we'll be doing the Lost Ark Cup, a qualifiers-only event from a 2016 ranking season. The winners for SF5 and GG Xrd get full paid sponsorship to Evo 2017 (flight, hotel, funds, etc). I'm #1 in points for the season in Guilty Gear, but I don't really expect to win lol. Super Turbo and Third Strike both have a prize of $1000. The schedule for right now is (EST) ST at noon 3S at 1 GG at 4 SF5 at 6 How did this go? Well?
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Feb 9, 2017 14:46:04 GMT -6
It was very good. I finished 3rd, which I had figured would happen lol, but the matches were great. Us in top 3 were pretty close. Unfortunately, the stream had some technical issues (commentary cut out), but it was fun regardless. I go to Evo every year anyway, so hopefully this at least means I have a room to stay in (without covering the cost entirely myself, which I've done a few times...)
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Post by Galamoth on Feb 9, 2017 18:20:56 GMT -6
Anyone want to give me their impression of Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax?
I've yet to play that fighting game, though I'm still somewhat interested.
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Post by Lestaroth on Feb 14, 2017 1:33:51 GMT -6
purifyweirdshard Oh by the way, Arcana Hearts 3 LOVE MAX (I refuse to add the punctuation) is now on sale in Humble Bundle. See? There must be a demand for it. I don't play fighting games anymore for now. It's a bit sad, given I recently bought Ultra Street Fighter IV...
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Feb 14, 2017 9:31:38 GMT -6
There's not much incentive to play fighting games unless you intend on actively getting better at them to beat your friends/other people. That's an inherent weakness of the genre, so few of them have worthwhile single player. That's just how it is...some recent ones have pretty nice story modes, though (GG Revelator, Nether Realm's games, probably T7 here soon). Galamoth, I was hoping someone else could speak up for DFC, because well...I don't particularly like it lol. I have not actually played the game, but I know/have seen enough that just kind of turned me off. I personally sometimes refer to it as "animugen". It more or less seemed like French Bread needed to make money, so they gave a bunch of popular characters a generic Under Night in-Birth engine to fight in. The presentation, system voice and characters just all seem boring to me. The Valkyria character, Akira and basketball girl are kinda neat, but likely not enough for me to stick with the game. It's also cool, speaking of Akira, how the game has all the little Sega touches, but I don't think I would be able to shake my feeling of "I wish they would make a new game of their own established properties already...", i.e. a new damn Melty Blood FINALLY, or at least update Under Night to current. Gotta keep the lights on with Sword Art Online and whatever though, I guess. What's funny is that Examu did something similar with Nitroplus Blasterz, but I found that game to be a good bit more exciting and I played that for a bit. Kind of a similar anime crossover mishmash with various visual novels represented (and Saber lol), which was more or less a bit of a faster paced Aquapazza (another Examu fighting game using characters from another company, Aquaplus). I played AP the most out of all of them, though, partially because it has a valkyrie character lol. I would say I was/am the best Sasara in the US. There was someone from I think NJ who was pretty close though, or better at certain points (probably now if he's still playing).
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Post by Lestaroth on Feb 14, 2017 13:57:06 GMT -6
Anyone want to give me their impression of Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax? I've yet to play that fighting game, though I'm still somewhat interested. I was at work these past days, so I didn't check the videos about the game. It sure looks interesting, since it's an anime crossover (but why do they have to resort to violence?) It's flashy and well-animated for sure, I do believe the original seiyuus are there too. That said, you'd have to be knowledgeable of all anime series to take the most of the story and motives of each character... or the game compelling enough so you watch the corresponding anime in turn. I gave up on anime, so I surely only know some of the characters' by series, but super barely. In terms of fighting games, there are LOTS of rivals on the market nowadays. So many it's outright insane. Choose your destiny. purifyweirdshard Animugen? Well, MUGEN is a pile of characters, stages and music looted from their series and mishmashed without respect of balance and key inputs. It's so heterogenous it's not fun for me at all. I couldn't get the patience and passion enough for it. This game is more like a crazy crossover of different anime series, a godsend for anime otakus out there (I am not one of them, see above). I guess I became so busy I am not able to get interested in any char stories now. :/
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Mar 8, 2017 12:52:24 GMT -6
There should be more information about the KoF DLC characters today, specifically who one of them is. The current thinking is that there's 4 of them, but I mainly want Whip! She has a whip. Y'all know about whips. Cool character anyway too, heh. Also hoping for Eiji, Elizabeth, Rock (mostly so people will get hype lol) More unrealistic: Shiki, Rick, Oswald, Kain Shiki is NGBC bae lol. I was almost like best in the US in that game at one point lol
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