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Post by JeffCross on Oct 22, 2016 3:51:32 GMT -6
Ixbran I agree with you for the most part... but I doubt there will be DS games through the VC shops... I would love to see them but I really don't see it happening... on the other hand Wii U ports are more likely but I think the touch part of the game will disappear... I really want to see Bayonetta on the NS (Well kinda... because I just spent 60 bucks for it a week ago...) But to get that game on a better system would ROCK XD Again, so many Wii U games require touch screen features, in fact you cant even turn on the console without a functioning game pad. Because of how important the touch screen is for Wii U games, not including the touch screen would destroy its chances for the NS to be able to digitally download and install Wii U e-shop games. If they don't include touch controls with the screen that's going to severely damage its sales because digital compatibility with Wii U games is the only way it'd be backwards compatible with them. Since most, if not all, Wii U games have some features that require the touch screen, some of them optional yes but for most its mandatory. Nintendo has always been good about each new console generation being backwards compatible with the previous generation sans the 64-togame cube era. If they ended it now, with what could be the console that can possibly save their company; it'll end up causing more harm than good. Nintendo may as well just become a second or 3rd party development company if they don't include touch screen features with the NS, thats how dependent a lot of their recent games have become with it. yeah, true there are a lot of games that use the touch screen... but I seriously think there are some work-a-rounds for at least a few titles. but those that heavily use the touch screen will either just use the pad by itself (I'm thinking mario maker being one of those types of games) or nintendo will work around them (like in Zelda breath of the wild) or... and I personally hate this one... they will just not port it over. again don't take my word for it... I really don't know anything, this is just me speculating... so I could be %100 wrong and I'm ok with that. and LeoLeWolferoux I agree with you, this could be a serious game changer... having triple A titles wherever you go? yeah that would be awesome XD
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 5:03:41 GMT -6
If Nintendo does this right, gaming will never be the same. Do elaborate, as I don't see a way this thing could affect gaming as a whole, outside of possibly killing Nintendo.
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Post by LunaClefairy on Oct 22, 2016 7:19:27 GMT -6
If Nintendo does this right, gaming will never be the same. Do elaborate, as I don't see a way this thing could affect gaming as a whole, outside of possibly killing Nintendo. ...That's an awfully pessimistic way of looking at things. I highly doubt this system is going to kill Nintendo. However, I agree that the Switch is not likely to revolutionize gaming. In my opinion, this is their least gimmicky system since the GameCube.
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Post by saberwolf94 on Oct 22, 2016 9:57:22 GMT -6
If Nintendo does this right, gaming will never be the same. Do elaborate, as I don't see a way this thing could affect gaming as a whole, outside of possibly killing Nintendo. If, key word is IF this console comes out and the applications of it being a portable hybrid are as practical as promised and it isn't held back by battery life, games not running as good on the handheld NS etc. among other things and, AND Nintendo finally decides to give major support on the console in the 3rd party games department this will indeed be THE killer system and Nintendo could be the king again. Having all of the 3rd party exclusives in addition to Nintendo's 1st party games, what more could someone want?. The thing is Nintendo was king back in the day and could have always remained on top if it wasn't for some face palm mistakes it did in the past. It was these small things that were actually very significant that pretty much goes like Nintendo giving the opportunity to Sony, Sony taking advantage of this and the rest is history. Now, I know that in this day and age both Sony and Microsoft have their own iconic exclusives, but really that's basically it. For the most part, games are what makes a console, that's how it was back then and it's still very true today. If the Wii U was a good old conventional console like the PS4 and Xbox One having all the 3rd party support in addition to it's exclusives don't you think that would be something pretty significant? The system will likely kill Nintendo if they don't deliver on the 3rd party department or other things like the specs holding it back, and the hybrid applications not being as smooth. Other than that however, this can potentially turn the tables around.
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Post by Ryngar Acia on Oct 22, 2016 11:05:42 GMT -6
I'm not crazy about it's name (thought "NX" sounded better).
That aside, I gotta admit this console looks very promising. :>
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 12:03:24 GMT -6
Do elaborate, as I don't see a way this thing could affect gaming as a whole, outside of possibly killing Nintendo. If, key word is IF this console comes out and the applications of it being a portable hybrid are as practical as promised and it isn't held back by battery life, games not running as good on the handheld NS etc. among other things and, AND Nintendo finally decides to give major support on the console in the 3rd party games department this will indeed be THE killer system and Nintendo could be the king again. Having all of the 3rd party exclusives in addition to Nintendo's 1st party games, what more could someone want?. The thing is Nintendo was king back in the day and could have always remained on top if it wasn't for some face palm mistakes it did in the past. It was these small things that were actually very significant that pretty much goes like Nintendo giving the opportunity to Sony, Sony taking advantage of this and the rest is history. Now, I know that in this day and age both Sony and Microsoft have their own iconic exclusives, but really that's basically it. For the most part, games are what makes a console, that's how it was back then and it's still very true today. If the Wii U was a good old conventional console like the PS4 and Xbox One having all the 3rd party support in addition to it's exclusives don't you think that would be something pretty significant? The system will likely kill Nintendo if they don't deliver on the 3rd party department or other things like the specs holding it back, and the hybrid applications not being as smooth. Other than that however, this can potentially turn the tables around. You place a lot of importance on 3rd party, but don't give a single reason as to why 3rd party devs would go for the Switch. Developing a game with a sizable budget, and funded from your own pocket, for the Switch would be a giant leap of faith for any dev/publisher and I'm pretty sure no one is keen on betting on Nintendo. In case you didn't notice, both the Wii and Wii U were 3rd party nightmares. That leaves us with the option of Ninty sponsoring 3rd party support and I honestly doubt they have the cash to pull that off after the Wii U disaster.
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Post by LeoLeWolferoux on Oct 22, 2016 12:13:58 GMT -6
If Nintendo does this right, gaming will never be the same. Do elaborate, as I don't see a way this thing could affect gaming as a whole, outside of possibly killing Nintendo. Because console and handheld gaming have always been separate entities. If the two items join, it brings up a number of opportunities for Nintendo. 1. There would no longer be need to purchase 2 separate systems to get the Nintendo games that you enjoy, 2. No other console has successfully integrated this in the past, 3. Sub original idea may help flourish 3rd party support, which would be HUGE for Nintendo, Etc. Outside of VR, gaming hasn't changed much in the past decade. The thing with Nintendo, is that while they may have had lackluster consoles in the past, they've always been innovative, and have always tried to change how people view games, and rope in more of the general public as a whole. They've always been original.
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Post by Ciel on Oct 22, 2016 13:49:35 GMT -6
Given Nintendo's history with touch screen (DS, 3DS, WiiU), they always made sure that their hardware always had a slot to place the stylus that always came with the system. Take a look at this picture. Just to clarify one thing here: the stylus was needed because those consoles had resistive touch screen display, which because of how it works a stylus is highly recommended, using that with your fingers is a pain and uncomfortable. If for some reason the Switch is going to use capacitive touch screen display (like your smartphone or a PSVita), then a stylus is not only unnecessary, but would be impossible to use the screen normally with a normal one (the same kind one uses with resistive display). Nintendo would have to develop something like the Galaxy Note/Tab stylus, increasing the costs for something kind of useless.
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Post by saberwolf94 on Oct 22, 2016 18:35:13 GMT -6
You place a lot of importance on 3rd party, but don't give a single reason as to why 3rd party devs would go for the Switch. Developing a game with a sizable budget, and funded from your own pocket, for the Switch would be a giant leap of faith for any dev/publisher and I'm pretty sure no one is keen on betting on Nintendo. In case you didn't notice, both the Wii and Wii U were 3rd party nightmares. That leaves us with the option of Ninty sponsoring 3rd party support and I honestly doubt they have the cash to pull that off after the Wii U disaster. Hey am not Nintendo nor have any connection to any major 3rd party developers. I also don't know the NS's specs. It's up to Nintendo to make deals with them. Thing is though, if the specs are similar to the PS4 and Xbox One it shouldn't be hard for games to be ported. Both of those consoles are pretty much PCs tech wise. The Wii U on the other hand used different technology and it didn't help that it was even more underpowered too, so that's a different story. Regarding the Wii and Wii U being a 3rd party nightmare, of course I know that who doesn't. That's one of the main reasons the Wii U was a nightmare in general even though it has some positives. This is why I and so many other people preach the importance of those games that have been lackluster on Nintendo consoles for so long now. As far as money in the bank goes even with that disaster I hear that Nintendo has quite a lot of money in the bank actually but it's true that because Nintendo is Nintendo even with all that they might still not cooperate much with 3rd party devs and because of that the NS will be another console disaster. Regardless, it's still too early to tell and we don't have a lot of information to go with so we'll have to wait.
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Post by JoJo on Oct 23, 2016 0:27:20 GMT -6
Quite sad actually, if they make it backward compatible (physical version) I'm sure that it will so much worth it to buy 3DS game now (3DS itself are so expensive from where I live)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 2:00:06 GMT -6
Because console and handheld gaming have always been separate entities. If the two items join, it brings up a number of opportunities for Nintendo. 1. There would no longer be need to purchase 2 separate systems to get the Nintendo games that you enjoy, 2. No other console has successfully integrated this in the past, 3. Sub original idea may help flourish 3rd party support, which would be HUGE for Nintendo, Etc. Outside of VR, gaming hasn't changed much in the past decade. The thing with Nintendo, is that while they may have had lackluster consoles in the past, they've always been innovative, and have always tried to change how people view games, and rope in more of the general public as a whole. They've always been original. Problem being that Switch doesn't have the muscle of the current gen home consoles, so it's just a next gen handheld that you can hook up to your TV screen, which is far from innovative. Hey am not Nintendo nor have any connection to any major 3rd party developers. I also don't know the NS's specs. It's up to Nintendo to make deals with them. Thing is though, if the specs are similar to the PS4 and Xbox One it shouldn't be hard for games to be ported. Both of those consoles are pretty much PCs tech wise. The Wii U on the other hand used different technology and it didn't help that it was even more underpowered too, so that's a different story. Regarding the Wii and Wii U being a 3rd party nightmare, of course I know that who doesn't. That's one of the main reasons the Wii U was a nightmare in general even though it has some positives. This is why I and so many other people preach the importance of those games that have been lackluster on Nintendo consoles for so long now. As far as money in the bank goes even with that disaster I hear that Nintendo has quite a lot of money in the bank actually but it's true that because Nintendo is Nintendo even with all that they might still not cooperate much with 3rd party devs and because of that the NS will be another console disaster. Regardless, it's still too early to tell and we don't have a lot of information to go with so we'll have to wait. It runs on a custom Tegra processor, meaning it will be a bit above last gen home consoles in power. Devs stopped making cross-gen ports and completely switched to PS4/One development, do you think they will dumb down future installments of their games or invest a lot of money on creating separate game resources just to bet on the Switch market?
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Post by Ciel on Oct 23, 2016 9:42:08 GMT -6
Hey am not Nintendo nor have any connection to any major 3rd party developers. I also don't know the NS's specs. It's up to Nintendo to make deals with them. Thing is though, if the specs are similar to the PS4 and Xbox One it shouldn't be hard for games to be ported. Both of those consoles are pretty much PCs tech wise. The Wii U on the other hand used different technology and it didn't help that it was even more underpowered too, so that's a different story. Regarding the Wii and Wii U being a 3rd party nightmare, of course I know that who doesn't. That's one of the main reasons the Wii U was a nightmare in general even though it has some positives. This is why I and so many other people preach the importance of those games that have been lackluster on Nintendo consoles for so long now. As far as money in the bank goes even with that disaster I hear that Nintendo has quite a lot of money in the bank actually but it's true that because Nintendo is Nintendo even with all that they might still not cooperate much with 3rd party devs and because of that the NS will be another console disaster. Regardless, it's still too early to tell and we don't have a lot of information to go with so we'll have to wait. It runs on a custom Tegra processor, meaning it will be a bit above last gen home consoles in power. Devs stopped making cross-gen ports and completely switched to PS4/One development, do you think they will dumb down future installments of their games or invest a lot of money on creating separate game resources just to bet on the Switch market? Well the devs of portable games at least will have more power to work with lol. I'm hype for the first Ace Attorney game on Switch, wondering how they are going to use resources.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 10:03:44 GMT -6
I'm hype for the first Ace Attorney game on Switch, wondering how they are going to use resources. They're gonna use them to make hamburgers.
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Post by Ciel on Oct 23, 2016 10:17:57 GMT -6
I'm hype for the first Ace Attorney game on Switch, wondering how they are going to use resources. They're gonna use them to make hamburgers. And to talk about ladders vs stepladders, as always.
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Post by Yarott on Oct 23, 2016 21:01:03 GMT -6
Bloodstained should make the Switch happen. It can work, but yeah. The specs need to be shown. Like, can it truly run Unreal Engine 4 well enough? Things like that.
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Post by saberwolf94 on Oct 24, 2016 9:34:28 GMT -6
Hey am not Nintendo nor have any connection to any major 3rd party developers. I also don't know the NS's specs. It's up to Nintendo to make deals with them. Thing is though, if the specs are similar to the PS4 and Xbox One it shouldn't be hard for games to be ported. Both of those consoles are pretty much PCs tech wise. The Wii U on the other hand used different technology and it didn't help that it was even more underpowered too, so that's a different story. Regarding the Wii and Wii U being a 3rd party nightmare, of course I know that who doesn't. That's one of the main reasons the Wii U was a nightmare in general even though it has some positives. This is why I and so many other people preach the importance of those games that have been lackluster on Nintendo consoles for so long now. As far as money in the bank goes even with that disaster I hear that Nintendo has quite a lot of money in the bank actually but it's true that because Nintendo is Nintendo even with all that they might still not cooperate much with 3rd party devs and because of that the NS will be another console disaster. Regardless, it's still too early to tell and we don't have a lot of information to go with so we'll have to wait. It runs on a custom Tegra processor, meaning it will be a bit above last gen home consoles in power. Devs stopped making cross-gen ports and completely switched to PS4/One development, do you think they will dumb down future installments of their games or invest a lot of money on creating separate game resources just to bet on the Switch market? Right that's the one I couldn't remember a Tegra processor. From what I've heard there two chips the one being the underpowered one like you say and another one hat puts it around the league of the regular PS4 and Xbox One. If they use the first one like you say, you're right devs probably won't go out of their way to dumb down their games. If they use the second chip though then it's a different story. Now in the trailer we've seen that Skyrim game that I don't know much about but from what I've heard it could the remastered version. I haven't heard anything about a game like that being confirmed (real misleading of Nintendo) but if it is coming then maybe they have used the stronger chip? I don't know, I also don't know maybe a game like that is still able to run on the first chip so this example doesn't matter. Like I said we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 12:18:22 GMT -6
Right that's the one I couldn't remember a Tegra processor. From what I've heard there two chips the one being the underpowered one like you say and another one hat puts it around the league of the regular PS4 and Xbox One. If they use the first one like you say, you're right devs probably won't go out of their way to dumb down their games. If they use the second chip though then it's a different story. Now in the trailer we've seen that Skyrim game that I don't know much about but from what I've heard it could the remastered version. I haven't heard anything about a game like that being confirmed (real misleading of Nintendo) but if it is coming then maybe they have used the stronger chip? I don't know, I also don't know maybe a game like that is still able to run on the first chip so this example doesn't matter. Like I said we'll have to wait and see. It's highly unlikely that Switch will run the X2. There are two reasons for this: -It would raise the price tag well above $300. -Components with such specs would cap the battery life to around a single hour.
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Post by LeoLeWolferoux on Oct 24, 2016 15:52:05 GMT -6
Because console and handheld gaming have always been separate entities. If the two items join, it brings up a number of opportunities for Nintendo. 1. There would no longer be need to purchase 2 separate systems to get the Nintendo games that you enjoy, 2. No other console has successfully integrated this in the past, 3. Sub original idea may help flourish 3rd party support, which would be HUGE for Nintendo, Etc. Outside of VR, gaming hasn't changed much in the past decade. The thing with Nintendo, is that while they may have had lackluster consoles in the past, they've always been innovative, and have always tried to change how people view games, and rope in more of the general public as a whole. They've always been original. Problem being that Switch doesn't have the muscle of the current gen home consoles, so it's just a next gen handheld that you can hook up to your TV screen, which is far from innovative. Hey am not Nintendo nor have any connection to any major 3rd party developers. I also don't know the NS's specs. It's up to Nintendo to make deals with them. Thing is though, if the specs are similar to the PS4 and Xbox One it shouldn't be hard for games to be ported. Both of those consoles are pretty much PCs tech wise. The Wii U on the other hand used different technology and it didn't help that it was even more underpowered too, so that's a different story. Regarding the Wii and Wii U being a 3rd party nightmare, of course I know that who doesn't. That's one of the main reasons the Wii U was a nightmare in general even though it has some positives. This is why I and so many other people preach the importance of those games that have been lackluster on Nintendo consoles for so long now. As far as money in the bank goes even with that disaster I hear that Nintendo has quite a lot of money in the bank actually but it's true that because Nintendo is Nintendo even with all that they might still not cooperate much with 3rd party devs and because of that the NS will be another console disaster. Regardless, it's still too early to tell and we don't have a lot of information to go with so we'll have to wait. It runs on a custom Tegra processor, meaning it will be a bit above last gen home consoles in power. Devs stopped making cross-gen ports and completely switched to PS4/One development, do you think they will dumb down future installments of their games or invest a lot of money on creating separate game resources just to bet on the Switch market? How do you know this? So far its only just been revealed. If you can source a site to confirm this then by all means hook me up. Otherwise I prefer to remain hopeful. :) And besides, hooking a system up to your TV screen was an idea original to Nintendo. (Starting with the gameboy and GameCube, if I'm not mistaken) So doing the opposite is still a new idea. And if the price DID increase, I think it would be justifiable, if it means there's no longer need to purchase console and hand-held. Also I think it would be impactful to gaming, because if it goes off without a hitch, it could set a new standard for gaming. Handhelds would become irrelevant because the system would operate as such, as well. Just my opinion. ;)
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