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Post by estebant on Aug 6, 2016 17:34:47 GMT -6
When did you say those things? Are you kidding me? When you say "he's got you there" the fact that you agree is implied. I can't believe I'm having to explain this. but I never said you didn't watch anime... "I used to a few years back" was going to be my response to you before the "dayum son u got rekt" comments. And to answer your question, yes, I do watch cartoons quite often. |
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 17:44:26 GMT -6
but I never said you didn't watch anime... "I used to a few years back" was going to be my response to you before the "dayum son u got rekt" comments. And to answer your question, yes, I do watch cartoons quite often. cool, so why did you cut back on anime? |
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Post by estebant on Aug 6, 2016 18:10:29 GMT -6
"I used to a few years back" was going to be my response to you before the "dayum son u got rekt" comments. And to answer your question, yes, I do watch cartoons quite often. cool, so why did you cut back on anime? Sorry this is a bit of a ramble. Cartoons seem to deal with with darker themes in a more lighthearted way and I prefer that. They're also not limited by an over arching story. I also hate how padded and badly animated a lot of anime seems to be. Obviously I'm no animator but it seems to me like every singe trope anime has is designed to cut costs and it's really jarring when you start noticing it. Also a continuous story isn't really something i personally care that much about. (I get that is the biggest draw for anime fans) I've never been able to re-watch any anime ever, yet I've watched Rick and Morty at least 3 different times. I really like clever humor and surrealism yet as far as I know anime doesn't tackle much of that. Anime doesn't really do much for me because it seems like the focus is all on the story. Yet to me story is only one little thing that can make a show great. For example the biggest draw for a show like Superjail is super complex animation. Xavier Renegade angel has the best wordplay I've ever seen. Invader Zim's voice acting and writing is so good I can just listen to it at work with my headphones and still enjoy it. None of those shows have a story as a main focus and they still work beautifully. I could go on for way longer but I don't really feel like putting much effor on a thread nobody will read. Obviously I like a lot of stuff with anime influence but I just can't find any anime that I can get past like the first two episodes. If you have any suggestions I will be glad to check them out. |
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 18:34:12 GMT -6
cool, so why did you cut back on anime? Sorry this is a bit of a ramble. Cartoons seem to deal with with darker themes in a more lighthearted way and I prefer that. They're also not limited by an over arching story. I also hate how padded and badly animated a lot of anime seems to be. Obviously I'm no animator but it seems to me like every singe trope anime has is designed to cut costs and it's really jarring when you start noticing it. Also a continuous story isn't really something i personally care that much about. (I get that is the biggest draw for anime fans) I've never been able to re-watch any anime ever, yet I've watched Rick and Morty at least 3 different times. I really like clever humor and surrealism yet as far as I know anime doesn't tackle much of that. Anime doesn't really do much for me because it seems like the focus is all on the story. Yet to me story is only one little thing that can make a show great. For example the biggest draw for a show like Superjail is super complex animation. Xavier Renegade angel has the best wordplay I've ever seen. I could go on for way longer but I don't really feel like putting much effor on a thread nobody will read. Obviously I like a lot of stuff with anime influence but I just can't find any anime that I can get past like the first two episodes. If you have any suggestions I will be glad to check them out. I understand, I do see the "cheap" animations more and more in anime... though they don't bother me too much. What has bothered me is that anime is extremely formulaic... the same thing in different packaging. though some of those stories could be fun too. I know you said you can't really get past the first two episodes of an anime, though most anime go on a "Shakespearean" route when starting their shows (at least in my opinion)... it takes 1-3 (or more) episodes to introduce their characters and set up the plot... but I kinda like that about anime. I don't know there are some strange obscure anime out there, you just need to look for them. Though I, on the other hand, like the story driven arcs in anime and am pleased to see them in many of the newer cartoons (and some older ones). Funny thing is I don't like those cartoons you've mentioned but many of my friends swear by them.... so there must be something about them, I won't disregard them just cause I don't like them. My real problem is there are "adult themed" cartoons and cartoons aimed toward kids but nothing like in anime where there are cartoons aimed specifically aimed toward teens... I feel many teens (13-18) seek anime to fill that void... or at least that is my personal thought on it. Anyways, I like both anime and cartoons as I have said, and it is true that many anime tropes have been making their way into our cartoons... cross culture exchanges are what makes both anime and cartoons awesome. Oh, and no there are no anime I can really suggest... I feel you would have seen them already (as in samurai champloo, cowboy bebop and maybe heat guy j they're all older anime though). |
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Post by estebant on Aug 6, 2016 19:01:19 GMT -6
Sorry this is a bit of a ramble. Cartoons seem to deal with with darker themes in a more lighthearted way and I prefer that. They're also not limited by an over arching story. I also hate how padded and badly animated a lot of anime seems to be. Obviously I'm no animator but it seems to me like every singe trope anime has is designed to cut costs and it's really jarring when you start noticing it. Also a continuous story isn't really something i personally care that much about. (I get that is the biggest draw for anime fans) I've never been able to re-watch any anime ever, yet I've watched Rick and Morty at least 3 different times. I really like clever humor and surrealism yet as far as I know anime doesn't tackle much of that. Anime doesn't really do much for me because it seems like the focus is all on the story. Yet to me story is only one little thing that can make a show great. For example the biggest draw for a show like Superjail is super complex animation. Xavier Renegade angel has the best wordplay I've ever seen. I could go on for way longer but I don't really feel like putting much effor on a thread nobody will read. Obviously I like a lot of stuff with anime influence but I just can't find any anime that I can get past like the first two episodes. If you have any suggestions I will be glad to check them out. I understand, I do see the "cheap" animations more and more in anime... though they don't bother me too much. What has bothered me is that anime is extremely formulaic... the same thing in different packaging. though some of those stories could be fun too. I know you said you can't really get past the first two episodes of an anime, though most anime go on a "Shakespearean" route when starting their shows (at least in my opinion)... it takes 1-3 (or more) episodes to introduce their characters and set up the plot... but I kinda like that about anime. I don't know there are some strange obscure anime out there, you just need to look for them. Though I, on the other hand, like the story driven arcs in anime and am pleased to see them in many of the newer cartoons (and some older ones). Funny thing is I don't like those cartoons you've mentioned but many of my friends swear by them.... so there must be something about them, I won't disregard them just cause I don't like them. My real problem is there are "adult themed" cartoons and cartoons aimed toward kids but nothing like in anime where there are cartoons aimed specifically aimed toward teens... I feel many teens (13-18) seek anime to fill that void... or at least that is my personal thought on it. Anyways, I like both anime and cartoons as I have said, and it is true that many anime tropes have been making their way into our cartoons... cross culture exchanges are what makes both anime and cartoons awesome. Oh, and no there are no anime I can really suggest... I feel you would have seen them already (as in samurai champloo, cowboy bebop and maybe heat guy j they're all older anime though). I totally see what you mean. What we're dealing with here is just a matter of preference. I'm glad we live in a world where both are being made and the influence goes both ways. The one thing I do have a problem with is that you keep using words like "adult", "kid" and "teen" which i think is what leads to misunderstandings and wider audiences still thinking both anime and cartoons are for kids. If tone is what you're referring to then I agree completely. The Simpsons, Rick and Morty, Invader Zim and many more deal with dark themes just like anime but the difference is that they're comedy shows. That's why I said earlier the only difference I can find is that cartoons are often comedy and anime is often serious. Nothing to do with age. |
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 19:15:47 GMT -6
I understand, I do see the "cheap" animations more and more in anime... though they don't bother me too much. What has bothered me is that anime is extremely formulaic... the same thing in different packaging. though some of those stories could be fun too. I know you said you can't really get past the first two episodes of an anime, though most anime go on a "Shakespearean" route when starting their shows (at least in my opinion)... it takes 1-3 (or more) episodes to introduce their characters and set up the plot... but I kinda like that about anime. I don't know there are some strange obscure anime out there, you just need to look for them. Though I, on the other hand, like the story driven arcs in anime and am pleased to see them in many of the newer cartoons (and some older ones). Funny thing is I don't like those cartoons you've mentioned but many of my friends swear by them.... so there must be something about them, I won't disregard them just cause I don't like them. My real problem is there are "adult themed" cartoons and cartoons aimed toward kids but nothing like in anime where there are cartoons aimed specifically aimed toward teens... I feel many teens (13-18) seek anime to fill that void... or at least that is my personal thought on it. Anyways, I like both anime and cartoons as I have said, and it is true that many anime tropes have been making their way into our cartoons... cross culture exchanges are what makes both anime and cartoons awesome. Oh, and no there are no anime I can really suggest... I feel you would have seen them already (as in samurai champloo, cowboy bebop and maybe heat guy j they're all older anime though). I totally see what you mean. What we're dealing with here is just a matter of preference. I'm glad we live in a world where both are being made and the influence goes both ways. The one thing I do have a problem with is that you keep using words like "adult", "kid" and "teen" which i think is what leads to misunderstandings and wider audiences still thinking both anime and cartoons are for kids. If tone is what you're referring to then I agree completely. The Simpsons, Rick and Morty, Invader Zim and many more deal with dark themes just like anime but the difference is that they're comedy shows. That's why I said earlier the only difference I can find is that cartoons are often comedy and anime is often serious. Nothing to do with age. I totally forgot about Simpsons... but you have to admit these shows are aimed toward a certain age demographic, there are plenty of anime aimed toward the younger demographic as there are for all the other ages. but western cartoon have a specific age group they are aiming for. Not that one from a different age group cannot find anything in those kinds of cartoons, because they are adding more mature humor and/or themes to their shows. I know what you are trying to say, that we should do away with labeling these shows for "kids" or "adults" but that's the reality... they ARE labeled even in japan. The only difference I see, is there are not many shows aimed toward the teen demographic in the western market. |
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Post by estebant on Aug 6, 2016 19:35:47 GMT -6
I see what you mean. Well that was fun. I have nothing else to add.
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 19:37:48 GMT -6
me either lol
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Aug 6, 2016 20:58:57 GMT -6
Japan has a lot more labeling, that's for sure. America tends to have "for kids" or "for adults" though, again, shows like The Legend of Korra are absolutely teen-oriented shows.
Japan has at least four major breakdowns from what I remember:
Shonen: Young boys age 8-17. These are the big boys like DBZ, Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure etc.
Sienen: Men ages 18+. Ghost in the Shell, Berserk, Madoka Magica, Hellsing, Clannad etc. live here
Shojo: Young girls age 8-17. Sailor Moon, Fruits Basket and Millenium Snow say hi
Josei: Women age 18+. Shows like Usagi Drop and Nodame Cantabile reside here
Western media obviously makes shows for girls, but Japan really keeps it divided. It also gets VERY tricky to pick things out sometimes. Neon genesis Evangelion and Death Note are often mistaken for a Sienen but they are, in fact, Shonen. Likewise a LOT of romance shows, such as Kanon, Air and Toradora are actually Sienen shows aimed at men, not women. What's more, while Sailor Moon is the gateway Magical Girl show aimed at young girls, there are also a number of Magical Girl shows like Madoka Magica Princess Tutu which are aimed at men. Repeat: the adult versions of the Magical Girl genre are NOT aimed at the girls the younger genre was made for XD
For the most part the genres just dictate: how much character development can you expect, how violent can you expect it to get, and how steamy could the romance get? Beyond that it gets increasingly confusing and arbitrary.
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This is what happens when people are insecure about their hobbies.
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This is what happens when people are insecure about their hobbies. Welcome back, @nyahahaha. |
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This is what happens when people are insecure about their hobbies. You really need to improve your bait. Lmao |
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Post by thrashinuva on Aug 10, 2016 17:11:35 GMT -6
When we try to differentiate things it gets really complicated. You honestly can't separate the two.  Anime  Korean animation/American cartoon  American cartoon   Japanese animation/American cartoon  American cartoon  Anime  American cartoon  Japanese animation, Korean animation/American cartoon Japanese cartoons are much more popular in general, and as a result there are more of them. Because there's so many there's a huge effort to make them different or diverse, as well as expand on animation techniques. When you take away what's different and give them the same source material to work with, it doesn't really get that different.  American  cartoon |
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Post by estebant on Aug 10, 2016 17:55:54 GMT -6
Japanese cartoons are much more popular in general, and as a result there are more of them. Because there's so many there's a huge effort to make them different or diverse, as well as expand on animation techniques. Literally none of this is true. |
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Post by thrashinuva on Aug 10, 2016 17:59:12 GMT -6
Japanese cartoons are much more popular in general, and as a result there are more of them. Because there's so many there's a huge effort to make them different or diverse, as well as expand on animation techniques. Literally none of this is true. On what grounds? |
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Post by estebant on Aug 10, 2016 18:05:28 GMT -6
Literally none of this is true. On what grounds? Japanese animation is definitely not more diverse than Western animation. And certainly not more popular. I have no clue how you could reach that conclusion. Ever heard of Disney? I'm going to take a guess and say you have. |
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Post by thrashinuva on Aug 10, 2016 18:17:17 GMT -6
Japanese animation is definitely not more diverse than Western animation. And certainly not more popular. I have no clue how you could reach that conclusion. Ever heard of Disney? I'm going to take a guess and say you have. Sorry I meant that anime in general, not in regards to animation itself, is more diverse. As far as Disney vs. anime goes, I think that's a pretty close call myself. However Disney is a single entity and anime is an umbrella term for every animation company within Japan. Ever heard of Pikachu? That little rodent is more well known than another rodent you know of, Mickey Mouse. More people in the world know about Pikachu than Mickey. Not just in Japan. Not just in America. Not just in Europe. The rest of the world. Although whether this is true or not will depend on what source you go to. Regardless, Pikachu has been around for about 2 decades while Mickey has been around for closing in on a century. The advantage "anime" has over Disney is the multiple various and diverse sources they can pull from. In one spectrum you have Pikachu, in another you have Naruto and then One Punch Man. What was Disney's last ground breaking, world famous title, popular with kids and adults? Something that got people talking? Popularity is a little more than "do you know about that?" and more "are you talking about that?" Of course a lot of people know about Disney, like I said it's been around for nearly a century. That's like asking if people know about The United States. |
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Post by estebant on Aug 10, 2016 18:53:58 GMT -6
What was Disney's last ground breaking, world famous title, popular with kids and adults? Something that got people talking? For the sake of my own sanity I will assume you're either trolling or you've been living under a rock your whole life. Doesn't matter which one... I have more productive things to do with my time than engaging with trolls or people who have no clue what the hell is going on. |
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 10, 2016 22:14:16 GMT -6
I know things can get heated in this kind of thread but please let us try to stay civil... I know it is easy to say, but please try. I know I started this thread but I really don't like my threads to have a hostile environment (I am not aiming that last comment at anyone)... I like the feel of this forum, most people are really good at how they handles themselves
I personally love reading all your posts even if they do not coincide with my thoughts...
Just remember, we are talking about opinions here... not cold hard facts. I doubt there is a real chart out there to see what is more popular, and even if there was there might be another one that says the opposite thing... so please remember take what is written here as people's opinions. Thank you.
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What was Disney's last ground breaking, world famous title, popular with kids and adults? Something that got people talking? For the sake of my own sanity I will assume you're either trolling or you've been living under a rock your whole life. Doesn't matter which one... I have more productive things to do with my time than engaging with trolls or people who have no clue what the hell is going on. Please be respectful of other members. Personal insults like this are clearly against the rules. This is a warning. If you want to talk about this further, private message me. |
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