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Post by JeffCross on Aug 5, 2016 21:24:58 GMT -6
Those in the know, know that there are serious differences between them... compared to the the ones not in the know, that think they are the same thing. Now I am not trying to make a "cartoon hate" thread so please don't compare inferior cartoons with the best of the best anime. it used to be there was a serious divide between cartoons and anime... but in recent years western cartoons are starting to move closer to their anime counterparts (though they are far and few between) In my opinion this is what differentiates anime and cartoons:
Cartoons: - usually aimed toward children, or the younger demographic
- can go on forever
- usually "resets" after the show is over
- characters usually never change clothes
- more often then not the characters don't age
Anime: - is used as a medium not a genre
- usually has a fixed story line, in other words it can end
- can take on serious themes
- though characters have a set style, they usually change clothes
- are aimed toward different age groups including (but not limited to) teens, adults and +18
I know these are not all the differences between cartoons and anime and there are exceptions to the rules but these should be the basics.
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Post by LunaClefairy on Aug 6, 2016 9:54:00 GMT -6
I think you're looking into this a little too deeply. Cartoons = Western animation. Anime = Eastern (usually Japanese) animation.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Aug 6, 2016 13:05:51 GMT -6
As LunaClefairy said, the real difference is far more arbitrary than what you listed. Anime is just a Japanese loan word for animation. There are anime for all demographics, and several include traits you listed for cartoons(Anpan Man being a popular example). On the other hand, although less common due to differences in markets, there are western shows that have traits you listed for anime such as Avatar.
The important thing to remember is if it was created by a Japanese animation studio, it's anime. If it was not, then it isn't.
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Post by Malek Deneith on Aug 6, 2016 13:13:45 GMT -6
The important thing to remember is if it was created by a Japanese animation studio, it's anime. If it was not, then it isn't. Which leads to a frankly hilarious situation where the Moomin TV series from 1990 (ah, childhood memories) is technically an anime.
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Aug 6, 2016 13:53:09 GMT -6
While the difference really is that simple, I do like that Western animation is getting more bold and complex. Batman: TheAnimated Series and Justice League were fantastic shows that really knew the material, understood the characters and were not afraid to gut punch you (Ace's Death never fails to turn me into a weepy mess). The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra duology was a landmark in terms of proving Western shows could be just as character and story driven. And while I don't care about it personally, Steven universe is doing some pretty groundbreaking stuff too (I have a friend who is a megafan, and he keeps me abreast on it whether I like it or not :3).
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 16:05:04 GMT -6
As LunaClefairy said, the real difference is far more arbitrary than what you listed. Anime is just a Japanese loan word for animation. There are anime for all demographics, and several include traits you listed for cartoons(Anpan Man being a popular example). On the other hand, although less common due to differences in markets, there are western shows that have traits you listed for anime such as Avatar. The important thing to remember is if it was created by a Japanese animation studio, it's anime. If it was not, then it isn't. Wow, I guess there are no real mega fans here, to a hard core anime fan that statement would be "blasphemy" though I did open this discussion to see what people have to say about this topic, and it seem to me people don't really care... But in my opinion this thinking is very lazy... there is an apparent difference between anime and cartoons. and I don't feel they are as "arbitrary" as you guys have proposed. Actually I am a fan of both, and many western anime fans have turn their nose up on many great western cartoons like avatar series, teen titans (the original) and even the likes of Steven universe and Star vs the forces of evil. I thought this was where the thread was gonna go... guess not lol. Oh and there is Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir... this is in a weird cat-egory (sorry for the pun). It is very "magical girl" themed but it is made in pairs and they have apparently taken the aforementioned magical girl formula from anime and manga, wholesale. Oh and if you read my first post I already stated there were exceptions to the rules meaning, both sides have anime that are cartoon like and many western cartoons are taking on very "anime" traits. but for the most part the "rules" mostly applies.
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Aug 6, 2016 16:34:00 GMT -6
The difference is not really with the medium itself but with cultural perception. Generally, in the West, the average citizen considered anything animated to be "for kids" or "something I put on to keep my kids from bugging me for an hour", whereas in the East, its considered perfectly valid for animated mediums to tackle mature content or complex themes. Now, as the Millennials take over I expect the current shift in Western attitudes to continue, well, shifting.
So really, the difference in content is caused simply because Western Civilization does not value its animated media as highly as Eastern civilization does (and secondarily, the West does not believe nearly as much in exposing its youth to the darker/more complex aspects of life, such as sexuality, grey morality and ESPECIALLY death), but as time goes on and more animated media gets spotlit over here, this will change, and it really will just come down to "this was made in Japan, this was made in America".
tl;dr: while our parents may believe animated material should not be taken seriously, and may have raised us to think this way, the current generation is throwing this away and will very likely raise the next generation to believe that taking animated media seriously is perfectly acceptable.
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Post by estebant on Aug 6, 2016 16:42:17 GMT -6
@jeffcross
The lines between Anime and Cartoons are being blurred as we speak. I personally don't like Anime all that much. But the only difference I can spot is that cartoons seem to focus a lot more on humor. All other differences you listed are frankly outdated and kind of pointless since there are so many exceptions.
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 16:49:51 GMT -6
BloodyTears92 I like your view on this topic it is the perfect end to this thread...and I agree whole hardheartedly. More and more the west is taking it's animations seriously... or at least it's seeing it as more of a medium than something just for kids. Let us hope this trend continues...
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Post by Scars Unseen on Aug 6, 2016 16:54:26 GMT -6
As LunaClefairy said, the real difference is far more arbitrary than what you listed. Anime is just a Japanese loan word for animation. There are anime for all demographics, and several include traits you listed for cartoons(Anpan Man being a popular example). On the other hand, although less common due to differences in markets, there are western shows that have traits you listed for anime such as Avatar. The important thing to remember is if it was created by a Japanese animation studio, it's anime. If it was not, then it isn't. Wow, I guess there are no real mega fans here, to a hard core anime fan that statement would be "blasphemy" ...and I'm done here. I enjoy anime quite a bit, but this is exactly the sort of elitism that drives people away.
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 16:59:36 GMT -6
@jeffcross The lines between Anime and Cartoons are being blurred as we speak. I personally don't like Anime all that much. But the only difference I can spot is that cartoons seem to focus a lot more on humor. All other differences you listed are frankly outdated and kind of pointless since there are so many exceptions. Yes the lines are being blurred but if you think the humor is the difference then you really don't know anything about anime... there is plenty of humor in anime. it is true there are more and more cartoons taking on anime tropes but those differences are still there and valid. There are only a hand full of cartoons have "blurred" the lines... just a question, do you watch cartoons? if you don't really watch anime, how can you compare the two?
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Aug 6, 2016 17:12:13 GMT -6
Wow, I guess there are no real mega fans here, to a hard core anime fan that statement would be "blasphemy" ...and I'm done here. I enjoy anime quite a bit, but this is exactly the sort of elitism that drives people away. As much as I'd like to continue, I have to agree with Scars Unseen here (by the way, I love that Skull Knight gif mate). Even if you don't mean too, you are REALLY coming off as an elitist in a lot of your responses. Telling someone they can't be a real fan because of the way they view the medium is not the way to encourage cordial discussion. Its actually a lot like the Comic Book fandom: its very difficult to break into the medium, and the fanbases can frequently make it very off putting for newcomers. If I had a nickel for every time I heard "you're not a true fan if you haven't read such-and-such run by so-and-so, I'd have been able to buy my own house by now.
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Post by Shax on Aug 6, 2016 17:12:53 GMT -6
Welp, JeffCross has you there estebant . Personally, as someone who watches a fine amount of both, I consider the art style to be the only difference. Anime is typically more aesthetically more pleasing that cartoons (by far), at least to me. I'm probably the only one that thinks so though.
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 17:17:49 GMT -6
Wow, I guess there are no real mega fans here, to a hard core anime fan that statement would be "blasphemy" ...and I'm done here. I enjoy anime quite a bit, but this is exactly the sort of elitism that drives people away. Dude chill... I don't even include myself in the "mega fan" thing, that is why I put quotes on blasphemy... actually I was thinking those "uber mega fan" people would be commenting here... but that was not the case, instead I got more level headed people or so I thought. So I am sorry if I have offended you, I thought we were having a conversati0n. and though I called "that way of thinking, lazy" I did not brush your comment aside as if it were nothing. that was why I quoted you. because you had some good points. And trust me I am far from anime "elite" I don't even watch Gundam and many anime elitist would consider THAT blasphemy lol... I just don't like the political drama in the show... though the art was always awesome... any political anime is not my cup of tea. So I hope you see I was not trying to brush you off or put you down, I was just trying to have an interesting conversation.
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Post by estebant on Aug 6, 2016 17:21:15 GMT -6
What the fuck are you talking about? When did I say I don't watch Anime? I said I personally don't like it. I used to watch anime religiously. This is the kind of "gotcha!" Mentality that makes these kinds of threads so toxic.
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Post by Shax on Aug 6, 2016 17:23:54 GMT -6
What the fuck are you talking about? When did I say I don't watch Anime? I said I personally don't like it. I used to watch anime religiously. This is the kind of "gotcha!" Mentality that makes these kinds of threads so toxic. Pfft. Did I ever say those things? You assumed that all on your own. My mentality and toxic? You're the one cursing.
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 17:24:37 GMT -6
...and I'm done here. I enjoy anime quite a bit, but this is exactly the sort of elitism that drives people away. As much as I'd like to continue, I have to agree with Scars Unseen here (by the way, I love that Skull Knight gif mate). Even if you don't mean too, you are REALLY coming off as an elitist in a lot of your responses. Telling someone they can't be a real fan because of the way they view the medium is not the way to encourage cordial discussion. Its actually a lot like the Comic Book fandom: its very difficult to break into the medium, and the fanbases can frequently make it very off putting for newcomers. If I had a nickel for every time I heard "you're not a true fan if you haven't read such-and-such run by so-and-so, I'd have been able to buy my own house by now. I totally did not mean that, so I am sorry for saying the "I guess there are no real mega fans here, to a hard core anime fan" thing but I really don't like those people either... but it seems the consensus is that there is not that much difference in anime and cartoons...
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Post by estebant on Aug 6, 2016 17:29:22 GMT -6
What the fuck are you talking about? When did I say I don't watch Anime? I said I personally don't like it. I used to watch anime religiously. This is the kind of "gotcha!" Mentality that makes these kinds of threads so toxic. Pfft. Did I ever say those things? You assumed that all on your own. My mentality and toxic? You're the one cursing. When did you say those things? Are you kidding me? When you say "he's got you there" the fact that you agree is implied. I can't believe I'm having to explain this.
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Post by JeffCross on Aug 6, 2016 17:30:50 GMT -6
Pfft. Did I ever say those things? You assumed that all on your own. My mentality and toxic? You're the one cursing. When did you say those things? Are you kidding me? When you say "he's got you there" the fact that you agree is implied. I can't believe I'm having to explain this. but I never said you didn't watch anime...
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Post by Shax on Aug 6, 2016 17:33:59 GMT -6
Pfft. Did I ever say those things? You assumed that all on your own. My mentality and toxic? You're the one cursing. When did you say those things? Are you kidding me? When you say "he's got you there" the fact that you agree is implied. I can't believe I'm having to explain this. How were we supposed to know something you never mentioned? You're probably going to ignore that fact right? Honestly, this means less than nothing to me. Everyone else is pretty chill on this forum. So, for the sake of not getting into trouble with the moderators, I'm done with you. Feel free to continue as you like.
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