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Post by Dizzy H. Muffin on Jun 23, 2016 14:07:05 GMT -6
My reaction to Vepar is that, as Morte would say, "Okay, this is a little too lowbrow, even for me." Wait, whoops, wrong Morte ...
But, uh, yeah. The boss really does not need those ridiculously oversized flopping boobs. It just doesn't. It's pointless and takes away from the whole experience.
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 23, 2016 14:22:51 GMT -6
I moved this from the developer feedback thread. It's still developer feedback, but this will derail the conversation so it's getting its own topic.
Please remember (and please take note new members) that we need to respect everyone's opinions even if we disagree with them.
My personal opinion is that IGA can do whatever he wants. I want IGA's game, not one hampered by people easily offended. If demon breasts (without nipples..) offends you, this might not be the game for you. Sorry you can't enjoy the game like I can.
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Post by A Man in Flames on Jun 23, 2016 14:30:54 GMT -6
I moved this from the developer feedback thread. It's still developer feedback, but this will derail the conversation so it's getting its own topic. Please remember (and please take note new members) that we need to respect everyone's opinions even if we disagree with them. My personal opinion is that IGA can do whatever he wants. I want IGA's game, not one hampered by people easily offended. If demon breasts (without nipples..) offends you, this might not be the game for you. Sorry you can't enjoy the game like I can. First post here, finally. That out of the way: absolutely have to agree with and second this. With all due respect to any individuals sensibilities: please remember you are not the creator of this game. Not everything in this game (or any other form of media) will jive with your tastes. That being said, I hope IGA sticks to his artistic vision and does not pander to a few vocal complaints.
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Post by Noiry on Jun 23, 2016 14:45:40 GMT -6
LOL I don't think anybody is offended by boobs, more to say, niple-less boobs. Not everything is about getting offended or having a high sensibility, I think it's more of an visual/artistic thing. In my opinion, they don't serve a particular purpose to be that huge, they're not a weak point (it would crackle me if they were, I'd be laughing and applauding for days) nor they carry water, so they stand out for no particular reason. A very basic in character design (and I guess even more important in monster design) is that if any thing stand out, there must be a reason. Of course, Iga can make whatever he wants.
In any case, as I said in the other post, this is just my particular opinion that doesn't take any enjoyment from the game, but since we're allowed to speak our minds, I thought I might share that too.
Actually, the fact that you need to make this topic apart feels like you care about boobs a lot more than maybe we did?
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Post by A Man in Flames on Jun 23, 2016 14:53:43 GMT -6
LOL I don't think anybody is offended by boobs, more to say, niple-less boobs. Not everything is about getting offended or having a high sensibility, I think it's more of an visual/artistic thing. In my opinion, they don't serve a particular purpose to be that huge, they're not a weak point (it would crackle me if they were, I'd be laughing and applauding for days) nor they carry water, so they stand out for no particular reason. A very basic in character design (and I guess even more important in monster design) is that if any thing stand out, there must be a reason. Of course, Iga can make whatever he wants. In any case, as I said in the other post, this is just my particular opinion that doesn't take any enjoyment from the game, but since we're allowed to speak our minds, I thought I might share that too. Actually, the fact that you need to make this topic apart feels like you care about boobs a lot more than maybe we did? Actually, and humorously enough, the boobs ARE a weak point. To be fair, landing hits on the boss' head does even more damage then her chest, but still. As for, being offended, again: let the creators do what they want to do. Ultimately, I think our feedback should much more focused on game-play/mechanics-- not to say any design/visual feedback is irrelevant.
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 23, 2016 15:00:44 GMT -6
After living through moderating the other thread that shall not be named, I promise you this post would have detailed the thread. That's why it was done. Your opinions will be heard just fine. Let's just leave them here rather than there. I promise it's just as valuable in either place. My personal opinion on the boobs is not why I broke this out into its own topic
The boobs are indeed a weak point.
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Post by Noiry on Jun 23, 2016 15:01:24 GMT -6
If her head does more damage then they're not a weak point xD Whatever, I just spoke my mind. The staff can disregard whatever I say, because yes, I'm not the creator. But you cannot tell me what I can give opinions or not to, this is still feedback and the staff has appreciated other design suggestions in the past. I don't even know why this needed a unique thread, they're just opìnions.
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Post by A Man in Flames on Jun 23, 2016 15:03:47 GMT -6
If her head does more damage then they're not a weak point xD Whatever, I just spoke my mind. The staff can disregard whatever I say, because yes, I'm not the creator. But you cannot tell me what I can give opinions or not to, this is still feedback and the staff has appreciated other design suggestions in the past. I don't even know why this needed a unique thread, they're just opìnions. No one ever said you cannot give your opinions. You provided it, and I offered a counter opinion-- that's all.
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Post by nekurors on Jun 23, 2016 15:27:31 GMT -6
First, those are not boobs, hell this is a demon and she have a mouth in place of her belly, those "boobs" are very likely sacks where she stores her water attacks like the water beam. They put these on that place to resemble boobs to say it is a female demon and also to look gross when you see her whole body, tentacles and giant demon mouth. It's pretty fine to me, you know i can think of much more extreme references there that could be used and fit the gothic/grotesque feeling of a boss on a igavania, that is nothing.
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Post by docteur on Jun 23, 2016 15:29:15 GMT -6
I'll agree with the general opinion : let's not put offense before creative freedom. Seems fine to me.
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Post by Shax on Jun 23, 2016 15:30:36 GMT -6
First, those are not boobs, hell this is a demon and she have a mouth in place of her belly, those "boobs" are very likely sacks where she stores her water attacks like the water beam. They put these on that place to resemble boobs to say it is a female demon and also to look gross when you see her whole body, tentacles and giant demon mouth. It's pretty fine to me, you know i can think of much more extreme references there that could be used and fit the gothic/grotesque feeling of a boss on a igavania, that is nothing. You know...that makes a lot of sense to me, the water being stored. Makes complete sense.
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Post by Valtiel on Jun 23, 2016 15:34:20 GMT -6
My personal opinion is that IGA can do whatever he wants. I want IGA's game, not one hampered by people easily offended. If demon breasts (without nipples..) offends you, this might not be the game for you. Sorry you can't enjoy the game like I can. This. A million times this.
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 23, 2016 15:35:14 GMT -6
I thought of it like she was pregnant with the enemies she was spawning earlier. Her stomach looks pregnant aside from being its own monster.
I'm sorry if breaking this out into its own conversation has come off wrong. It's not my intention to make anyone feel bad or alienated for their opinion even if I don't agree personally. It's a subject that simply needs its own topic.
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Post by nekurors on Jun 23, 2016 15:51:00 GMT -6
I thought of it like she was pregnant with the enemies she was spawning earlier. Her stomach looks pregnant aside from being its own monster. Interesting, it makes sense, now that you mention that i wonder why don't she trhows enemies in during the combat to make it harder or if that's not how it works why enemies does not just come up to bother you there.
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Post by Motoko on Jun 23, 2016 15:55:23 GMT -6
I moved this from the developer feedback thread. It's still developer feedback, but this will derail the conversation so it's getting its own topic. Please remember (and please take note new members) that we need to respect everyone's opinions even if we disagree with them. My personal opinion is that IGA can do whatever he wants. I want IGA's game, not one hampered by people easily offended. If demon breasts (without nipples..) offends you, this might not be the game for you. Sorry you can't enjoy the game like I can. This. Let's respect IGA's vision of his game.
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 23, 2016 15:58:22 GMT -6
LOL I don't think anybody is offended by boobs, more to say, niple-less boobs. Not everything is about getting offended or having a high sensibility, I think it's more of an visual/artistic thing. In my opinion, they don't serve a particular purpose to be that huge, they're not a weak point (it would crackle me if they were, I'd be laughing and applauding for days) nor they carry water, so they stand out for no particular reason. A very basic in character design (and I guess even more important in monster design) is that if any thing stand out, there must be a reason. Of course, Iga can make whatever he wants. In any case, as I said in the other post, this is just my particular opinion that doesn't take any enjoyment from the game, but since we're allowed to speak our minds, I thought I might share that too. Actually, the fact that you need to make this topic apart feels like you care about boobs a lot more than maybe we did? Yeah, as someone who's had to organize feedback threads at other forums before, what Mike's doing here is pretty much par for the course. Like he said, no offense was meant, and no intention to stifle discussion, it's just that separating it into more specific threads (one for gameplay, one for graphics/art design, and one for "prudence" concerns like this XD) make it easier for the devs to find any particular critique they're interested in. Eq uaally interesting, and pleasing from a gameplay perspective, is that the breasts *are* a weak point! So you can get some lulz XD Personally though, while I don't mind the large breasts, I thought the color might use some work--as I'll mention when I do a longer feed back post, IMO Vepar's...textures? I think that's the right word, look kind of overly-bright comparatively.
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 23, 2016 16:32:58 GMT -6
Ok... after I read what I had first posted because Motoko quoted it, I have to apologize. That was a bit unnecessary. It suggests OP is easily offended, the game isn't for them, and that I am superior in my enjoyment of games. If those are the conclusions people reach, it is what it is for them, but they certainly don't need me to jump them to that conclusion. That was rude of me, and I'm sorry. Also, I had this post with falling enabled, and I have removed that. Falling makes it where new replies won't bump it all the way back to the top of the board. That is unfair and just plain wrong to do at this point. This isn't an excuse, but the reason I did that was because I didn't want this to be the first thing new people see when they come here. It's a dumb reason. Talk about it all you want. Sometimes it's hard for me to keep my personal opinions to myself when I should because I'm a mod. I stand by breaking this out into it's own topic, but I shouldn't have injected my own emotions and opinions in ways that were unfair. I do have an opinion though, and I guess I have developed a trigger for posts about boobs and defending whatever game artists want to do.
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Post by mendinso on Jun 23, 2016 16:40:56 GMT -6
It's worth noting that I think someone pointed out that the creature in question is Male over on the NeoGAF thread. Whether or not that's true, is for another discussion.
My personal view on the whole thing is, honestly, the developer should be free to do whatever they want. Although they should be (and always should) open to criticism, ultimately they should do what they feel is best and enjoyable in their minds. I don't think anything in particular should be off limits to anyone for what they want to do. I've always stood by that belief. Doesn't mean they can't receive criticism for it. Plus, regarding the breasts, there's been countless creatures in the past that have been depicted with breasts (sometimes in the exaggerated sense) but they aren't inherently sexual. I'm largely suspecting, in this particular case, this is not it. It's an inhuman creature/demon. It shouldn't have to conform to normal depictions. Especially if the creature is indeed Male like some people have pointed out over at the NeoGAF thread.
But yeah. Everyone's free to have their views on this and should be welcome. But, ultimately, we'll all have our views and what's considered acceptable.
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Post by dareka on Jun 23, 2016 16:44:18 GMT -6
My own personal opinion... 1. I LOVED the demo. 2. While I wasn't turned off by it, the boss monster's design was, aesthetically, probably the thing I liked the least, but I didn't mention it in my own feedback because a) it wasn't a big deal for me and b) I have very little hopes of it changing. Now, since a thread was made for this and all... I share some of the opinions that have been brought up. 1. The design seems a little on the "silly" side, which contrasts with the game's gothic tone. 2. What makes it kind of silly is probably the color palette combined with the boobs water-storing sacs, and also the contrast between the boss' cartooney mouth and realistic looking sailor bait head. The color palette is probably like that to make the boss stand out from the background, but combined with the other elements it gives the creature a B-movie-like vibe... on which opinions are likely to remain divided... So I guess, if there's something iffy for me about the monster's visuals it's not the boosdammitwhydoIkeeptypingthat water-sacs per se, it's the overall silliness. But again, not a big deal and I'm not expecting IGA and Co. to change it (nor should they, obviously, if they don't want to).
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Post by XombieMike on Jun 23, 2016 16:47:12 GMT -6
Can we please not make it a prevailing theory that the boobs are water sacs? That sounds dumb to me.
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