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Post by RichterB on Aug 8, 2018 21:18:23 GMT -6
The thing that's been largely overlooked is that the ENTIRE LIST of E3 "rumors/leaks" noted in the Castlevania Dungeon Forums have come true now--even this one about Simon that some said was far-fetetched--except for the new Castlevania game project. So, if Ridley and Ice Climbers and Simon were real, and the Resident Evil 2 Remake for PS4 was real...I think we may be looking at least at a teaser of a new Castlevania game (or a collection*) by the time E3 2019 rolls around. *I'm having trouble remembering if the "collection" in the rumors was just Hyper Sports R or not. But there was definitely a second "game" mentioned by Gamekult and at least one other source that seemed to strongly suggest a new Castlevania game. One "leaker" went so far as to note it was to counter Bloodstained's rise, as I recall. And given Konami's statements about Switch during Bomberman R, and all this Smash Bros action, it could be that Switch will be the test system for the revival. Considering this thread, I made this other thread in error, apparently. Maybe it should be merged into this thread about Simon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 15:15:24 GMT -6
The thing that's been largely overlooked is that the ENTIRE LIST of E3 "rumors/leaks" noted in the Castlevania Dungeon Forums have come true now--even this one about Simon that some said was far-fetetched--except for the new Castlevania game project. So, if Ridley and Ice Climbers and Simon were real, and the Resident Evil 2 Remake for PS4 was real...I think we may be looking at least at a teaser of a new Castlevania game (or a collection*) by the time E3 2019 rolls around. Ridley was nothing short of a shock, but Simon, Ice Climbers, and Resident Evil 2 weren't exactly difficult to predict. - Simon was one of the last huge NES icons not yet represented in Smash.
- The only reason the Ice Climbers ever left us is because of technical difficulties involving the 3DS version of the previous game.
- The development of Resident Evil 2 Remake was announced back in 2015; it would have been weird to hear no news about it by E3 2018.
I don't think I've seen Castlevania Dungeon's rumor/leak list, though, so there might be some more details I'm unaware of.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Aug 9, 2018 15:52:44 GMT -6
The only truly hard to believe thing re: Castlevania in all this was/is there being a new game, which I still am just as skeptical of as I had been.
It's possible (and preferable) that they hand development off to a competent group, but that requires some good decision making.
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Post by RichterB on Aug 9, 2018 17:28:50 GMT -6
@autumn , purifyweirdshard : I'm maybe getting a little too excited, and I don't mean to undercut Bloodstained at all, but here's basically the gist of what was going down around Castlevania Dungeon Forums ( CDF) during E3: As I understand it, a GameFAQ post by a user named Vergeben said the following: Apparently, I guess this user also spoke of a recent, new Shonen Jump fighting game before it was announced as well. Then... (It was pointed out that the above user was wrong [at least at this point] about continued support for Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite, though.) Then, a French gaming site came into things about their interactions with Konami...[accurate translation is important about this "evidence," and I don't speak French to confirm one way or the other, but a second CDF user seemed to back it up after the first]: Then... There was one last post by the original "leaker," which a CFD user noted: After this, there was no Simon or Castlevania at E3, and it became a pretty negative and/or dead thread. But to this conversation, I personally added a look at the curious trends and news blips surrounding these rumors--again, Simon was at the time thought to be a false rumor: After a few responses to my trend reporting and conjecture, I clarified... Now, I understand there was speculation about RE2 Remake for a while, so it would depend partially on when the person above got involved with that. It sounds like it was a long time ago given the poster used the term "ages ago." But anyway, there's the gist of what I've been talking about. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
Edit: I guess Vergeben also said Snake would return, and that Isabelle from Animal Crossing would be in Smash. (https://www.inverse.com/article/47570-super-smash-bros-ultimate-roster-new-leak-vergeben). Snake did indeed return, but nothing on Isabelle yet...on the other hand, Sakurai said more characters are coming, and that would be an easy Echo Fighter to make, I think).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 19:44:44 GMT -6
Hmm...
I'm a little torn. On one hand, I don't want anything to potentially hurt Bloodstained's success, but on the other hand, more great 2D Halloween-y games just makes the world a better place to live. Using WayForward as an example is horrible because now my imagination is getting way out of hand. Gosh, imagine a Castlevania game with the production values of DuckTales Remastered or Shantae: Half-Genie Hero.
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Post by aiddon on Aug 9, 2018 22:26:30 GMT -6
Sakurai is a lunatic. I know there are other rumors floating around predicting Dante from DMC, Heihachi, etc but we'll see. At the very least Castlevania didn't get just one but TWO representatives with the Dracula's Castle stage being full of Easter Eggs, including Kid Dracula
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Post by crocodile on Aug 10, 2018 0:02:17 GMT -6
I've heard of the Vergeben name before and I'm pretty sure they are full of it. They've gotten too many things wrong for me to buy they actually have insider knowledge. Some of the things they've suggested are things one could reasonably infer/guess/suspect on one's own. I wouldn't put too much stock in their rumors.
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Post by RichterB on Aug 10, 2018 0:22:51 GMT -6
Hmm... I'm a little torn. On one hand, I don't want anything to potentially hurt Bloodstained's success, but on the other hand, more great 2D Halloween-y games just makes the world a better place to live. Using WayForward as an example is horrible because now my imagination is getting way out of hand. Gosh, imagine a Castlevania game with the production values of DuckTales Remastered or Shantae: Half-Genie Hero. I understand, and nothing's for sure by any means. Still, if something does happen, I think both can co-exist, especially if Castlevania goes more Classicvania. I just wanted to lay it out. But for the record, here was one of the sources I found that WayForward would be interested in Castlevania if given the opportunity (from back in 2014): castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php?topic=7058.0 And they did team with Konami for Contra 4 back in 2007. Not saying it would be WayForward, but there is some small possibility.
Also, this is going into the realm of TOTAL speculation now...but Nintendo's president said after E3 that they have more surprise projects in store for 2018 than they've let on at E3. One of those was probably the recently announced new Nintendo Labo kit. But part of me wondered, given that Bomberman R was a Switch launch title and we saw the "Smash x Castlevania" logo, if there isn't some slim chance that Nintendo is actually pulling a Platinum Games Bayonetta here and is partially paying for a Castlevania Switch exclusive to round out their year-end lineup. That's pretty far-fetched, but the thought came to me. Still, if preliminary discussions of possibly doing anything with Castlevania on Switch only started in mid-2017 according to the Konami rep I referenced in the previous post, could they really have an actual game ready this year that would be of any significance? Whatever they do or don't do, I just hope it doesn't simply follow the Netflix series.
Finally, whatever does or doesn't happen, I think Bloodstained will end up a much more elaborate game with a much different aesthetic in the end.
Personally, if Castlevania were ever resurrected, I'm looking for it to continue a strain of games in the vein of pre-SotN entries for 2D and the N64 titles for 3D. Bloodstained is more covering the SotN category just fine, particularly the style from, say, Aria of Sorrow onward. But if I see another God of War/Devil May Cry reimagining trying to pass itself off as the sustainable future of Castlevania, I'm gonna slap my forehead.
I've heard of the Vergeben name before and I'm pretty sure they are full of it. They've gotten too many things wrong for me to buy they actually have insider knowledge. Some of the things they've suggested are things one could reasonably infer/guess/suspect on one's own. I wouldn't put too much stock in their rumors.
Today, I found a report on this individual: www.ssbwiki.com/list_of_rumors#Vergeben_leak According to this, Vergeben has a sort of 50/50 record, so hard to tell. Could all just be luck/coincidence, as you said. This article notes that Vergeben has been impersonated before, too, with extra information Vergeben didn't agree with, and came out and said: "Disregard ALL people claiming leaks that don't have these two characters [Simon and Isabelle]."
But Vergeben or not, this still brings into question what the Gamekult people were discussing at E3. Maybe someone who speaks French can refute what was reported. And it doesn't change the fact that there are apparently internal discussions at least since June 2017 regarding Castlevania and Switch according to a Konami rep I noted.
EDIT: What's additionally interesting about all this is why would an individual leaking stuff about Smash Bros go out of his/her way to post about Simon in Smash being tied to the return of Castlevania...and in two games, no less. Like, why not just stick to Simon if you're straight-up guessing. That would be a way safer bet than saying, Simon's coming--oh, and by the way, it's tied to two new Castlevania games, one a collection, one an original game. I mean, this individual already had a list that included characters like Ridley entering Smash, there was no need to start speculating about a separate franchise's new entries.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Aug 10, 2018 9:01:14 GMT -6
RichterB yes, I've been following the leaks, rumors and the CV Dungeon thread (I checked it earlier yesterday as well as the overall board, and was doing so daily during and after E3 - yay Hyper Sports R). We've had a few topics and discourse over this on the forum here as well. I know the context for thinking it would be happening, and agree the timing and data/market line up with it properly, but Konami is just not the same as these other groups. The leaker(s) may very well have even heard first-hand talk at a show of something coming straight from a rep (or are the employee themselves) and I'd still not buy it. Thank you for laying out a summary though for people who might need/want to catch up though. Only one potential unknown remains in my mind, that being Konami's Switch "Action/Adventure" title, that may/may not be horror-related and may/may not exist entirely. About Bloodstained though, absolutely no worries. There's very little danger of this negatively effecting the game. Something new 'vania actually brings us more attention (our FB group has blown up in numbers since the Smash reveal for instance) and I would never expect Konami or even a potentially licensed partner ever attempt an Iga-style game anyways. That's entirely too much work for too little reward, in Konami's eyes, the very antithesis of what they're about. If they did though, that itself would bring more attention than draw it away, I'd say. If something happens (already a low chance), I'd break the chances down further like this myself, in order of most to least likely: In the instance of actually doing anything at all with the franchise via console, some manner of compilation is inevitable "Remasters" (as in not so much of an actual remake, see ZoE2 recently) are just slightly less likely, but probable Remakes, less still, but far from impossible. Best candidate being a CV ReBirth of sorts to match Netflix show's recent popularity, hopefully again with M2 or some another competent dev New game of a new genre from an outside dev, about as likely as remakes, such as say a 3D character action game or Warriors style game as a big crossover New game of a "3D Castlevania" style, something like or between LoS or the PS2 games, less still than the above, but a workable path for them Completely new Classicvania in 2.5D, going into pretty unlikely territory here, but in dreamland this could be a thing a la MM11 Completely new Metroidvania/Igavania in 2.5D: 0.001% chance Completely new Classic in 2D: zero chance Completely new M'vania in 2D: zero chance I also don't think a GoS port would work or make sense as that/those types of games are structured to work for a mobile platform only. It'd take a lot of rearranging and effort just to make something with PSP graphics that only barely qualifies as a game to itself workable on a console.
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Post by BalancedHydra on Aug 10, 2018 12:25:22 GMT -6
Hold on. Am I the only one who noticed that Nintendo didn't show off Richter's Final Smash?
I know the vast majority would say "It's the same as Simon's... but with different colors." I get that and I agree that is the likely thing but there is a logical falacy to that. That is not the only option Nintendo has.
Maybe, just maybe, Richter's Final Smash is Hydro Storm. We already have a "Hurt everyone in the screen" FS thanks to Olimar+Pikmin.
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Post by crocodile on Aug 10, 2018 13:17:56 GMT -6
Hold on. Am I the only one who noticed that Nintendo didn't show off Richter's Final Smash? I know the vast majority would say "It's the same as Simon's... but with different colors." I get that and I agree that is the likely thing but there is a logical falacy to that. That is not the only option Nintendo has. Maybe, just maybe, Richter's Final Smash is Hydro Storm. We already have a "Hurt everyone in the screen" FS thanks to Olimar+Pikmin. Occam's Razor denotes that Simon and Richter should share a Final Smash. This is especially true because Simon's Final Smash is just a variant of Richter's Cross Item Crash. Furthermore, there was an explicit reference to Hydro Storm in the Castlevania trailer. If Richter had Hydro Storm as his Final Smash, they would have just shown us that, not obviously reference it in the trailer.
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Post by RichterB on Aug 10, 2018 13:28:04 GMT -6
...Thank you for laying out a summary though for people who might need/want to catch up though... Only one potential unknown remains in my mind, that being Konami's Switch "Action/Adventure" title, that may/may not be horror-related and may/may not exist entirely. About Bloodstained though, absolutely no worries. There's very little danger of this negatively effecting the game. Something new 'vania actually brings us more attention (our FB group has blown up in numbers since the Smash reveal for instance) and I would never expect Konami or even a potentially licensed partner ever attempt an Iga-style game anyways. That's entirely too much work for too little reward, in Konami's eyes, the very antithesis of what they're about. If they did though, that itself would bring more attention than draw it away, I'd say. If something happens (already a low chance), I'd break the chances down further like this myself, in order of most to least likely: In the instance of actually doing anything at all with the franchise via console, some manner of compilation is inevitable "Remasters" (as in not so much of an actual remake, see ZoE2 recently) are just slightly less likely, but probable Remakes, less still, but far from impossible. Best candidate being a CV ReBirth of sorts to match Netflix show's recent popularity, hopefully again with M2 or some another competent dev New game of a new genre from an outside dev, about as likely as remakes, such as say a 3D character action game or Warriors style game as a big crossover New game of a "3D Castlevania" style, something like or between LoS or the PS2 games, less still than the above, but a workable path for them Completely new Classicvania in 2.5D, going into pretty unlikely territory here, but in dreamland this could be a thing a la MM11 Completely new Metroidvania/Igavania in 2.5D: 0.001% chance Completely new Classic in 2D: zero chance Completely new M'vania in 2D: zero chance I also don't think a GoS port would work or make sense as that/those types of games are structured to work for a mobile platform only. It'd take a lot of rearranging and effort just to make something with PSP graphics that only barely qualifies as a game to itself workable on a console. Yeah, I was just trying to get everyone up to speed who may not be familiar with those aspects. That was a very thoughtful breakdown of probability. Proof to your point about what Konami is willing to do is Super Bomberman R for Switch. Everything I've seen and read suggests it's a very old-school, minimalist Bomberman title compared to the more ambitious titles like Bomberman 64 or Bomberman Hero, and I know that Konami sadly cancelled a 3DS Bomberman that was a bit more ambitious when they bought out Hudson Soft. That said, it does have rather slick, attractive 2.5D production values.
If anything, I'm starting to lean toward a 2.5D Castlevania in that vein that is a straight-up remake or (Rebirth-style reimagining) of Castlevania 1 or Castlevania 3--or lesser so, Belmont's Revenge. (Outside of a collection, my wishlist for Castlevania, given the likely limitations, is pretty short right now: I'd love a better-than-PSP DXC-looking 2.5D Castlevania game that mixes Castlevania IV's moodiness and dynamic whip gameplay, with III's branching paths and diverse levels, with a few newer or more eccentric level themes ala the castles from Belmont's Revenge. You could even remove III's branching paths and give me really strong, dense level design over about nine stages, and I might be happy. At the absolute minimum, I would need a strong Castlevania 1 remake that includes the ability to whip-swing over gaps. In a dream world, I'd like that sort of game first, and then--or barring that--a real successor to the N64 era of Castlevania that irons out its issues without becoming the style-over-substance PS2 and PS3 era of 3D Castlevania. I sadly know it's not going to happen since no one in the industry has the guts to make a game like that right now--3D action-platforming doesn't exist anymore, only 3D action games or 3D platforming games.)
You know, it's interesting that we got two Castlevania characters in Smash for the price of one, plus Bomberman and Snake. (And there's this whole Hyper Sports R thing hovering in the background of Switch, based on a Konami property from 1984). Clearly there is some dusting off of properties over at Konami right now. I'm curious what the negotiations were like for Castlevania and Smash coming together, because I thought I heard that the Snake conversations were contentious and that's why he left the Wii U/3DS era. It could be that someone over at Konami is starting to show some passion for its assets, but doesn't yet have the influence to go big with it. It really only takes a few people, a passionate creator and an executive to get the ball rolling. I mean, IGA kept Castlevania running when no one else seemingly wanted to (aside from KCEK, who were either broken up by Konami or made obsolete by IGA's return with Harmony of Dissonance. I know some of that team was absorbed by IGA by the time we got to the DS games, but the vision for CV was clearly more IGA's than KCEK's post-Circle of the Moon). And Mega Man 11, I'm not totally convinced that it is a no-expenses-spared, all-hands-on-deck affair at Capcom. I think it's living based on some nostalgia sales trends and a handful of passionate workers at the company.
Hold on. Am I the only one who noticed that Nintendo didn't show off Richter's Final Smash?I know the vast majority would say "It's the same as Simon's... but with different colors." I get that and I agree that is the likely thing but there is a logical falacy to that. That is not the only option Nintendo has.Maybe, just maybe, Richter's Final Smash is Hydro Storm. We already have a "Hurt everyone in the screen" FS thanks to Olimar+Pikmin.
There is a brief moment in the Richter part of the trailer where it looks like he's performing the Hydro Storm stance, and it is raining. But based on the timing of the move, I think that might just be a taunting pose. Here it is:
Also, in the new Youtube-posted Simon character trailer, he can latch onto the edge of the Smash platforms with his whip like Zero Suit Samus, Samus, and Link. (This is the kind of move I want in all whip-wielding Castlevania games). Here it is:
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Post by yulia11 on Aug 10, 2018 14:26:29 GMT -6
The real question is will Bloodstained do the same to Castlevania as MN9 to Megaman? Also unlike Inafune Iga is a far more respectable director and might be essential to the series.
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Post by Brainiac on Aug 10, 2018 14:32:38 GMT -6
Considering the series predates IGA's involvement, I'm going to go with him not actually being essential.
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Post by Scuttlest on Aug 10, 2018 17:00:04 GMT -6
For what it's worth, Chrom is an echo of Roy, and his Final Smash is mechanically similar to Roy's, but a bit different. (Roy swings his sword in a 360 style, while Chrom just seems to attack forward.)
Perhaps it could be that Simon and Richter have largely the same Final Smash, but the initial attack that you have to land to hit with the Final Smash proper is slightly different. With maybe some animation difference with the Final Smash itself.
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Post by Galamoth on Aug 10, 2018 19:35:59 GMT -6
I would've thought that Chrom was intended as an Echo of Ike before I saw him compared to Roy in the video.
After all, that's what I heard once about Sakurai considering Chrom for SSB4. He'd just be an "Ike clone" (especially because of Aether).
I wonder what Chrom's Neutral Special will look like... Will it be a lightning effect? (rather than the fire of Roy's Sword of Seals)
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Post by yulia11 on Aug 11, 2018 0:13:28 GMT -6
Considering the series predates IGA's involvement, I'm going to go with him not actually being essential. Yes and no. What I want is another metroidvania but in 3d with at least smash level graphics.
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Post by Saint Germain on Aug 11, 2018 15:59:29 GMT -6
Dark Samus from metroid prime echoes is a echo fighter!
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Post by BalancedHydra on Aug 13, 2018 7:47:49 GMT -6
Considering the series predates IGA's involvement, I'm going to go with him not actually being essential. No. Simon and Richter hail from the Classicvania era. If Nintendo want to pay homage to Iga, SotN Maria, Soma and/or Shanoa would be the best choices. Alucard is out because he's Assist trophy status. Maybe Miriam but Nintendo will probably want to wait until Bloodstained is out. Not likely since Smash Ultimate comes out in November.
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