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Post by Cale on Jun 22, 2015 1:26:22 GMT -6
yeah I was just going to say I hope they don't pull off the tired old the good ally is actually the bad guy and the bad guy is actually the victim 'twist'. About earlier in this thread, I personally don't care if miriam has a romance substory or not. But I object to the notion that just because if she has one means she 'needed' one. Why is it when a man has a romantic interest in a game it's a romantic interest, but if a woman has one it's supposed to mean something offensive. I mean if she acts like a useless tool and needs a man to do everything for her, ok yeah that would be annoying, but I don't think that's going to happen, and certainly wouldn't assume such just because the game had some kind of romantic sub-plot. Samus Aran. Other M. Worst piece of shite I have ever played. Now, I think Miriam should have a romantic interest in the wine glass!
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Post by H on Jun 22, 2015 9:26:50 GMT -6
It was mentioned before that Gebel and Johannes looked at Miriam as a younger sister. Still doesn't eliminate the possibility of a romance plot with any of the other characters though. If it does show up at all, I hope it's mostly for comedic effect and doesn't stand out too much. I'd also prefer if there wasn't any of that at all though since it doesn't feel right with the setting. I trust whatever Igarashi and the team has in mind though.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 22, 2015 12:06:40 GMT -6
I really don't think Miriam will have a romance interest. That doesn't seem like something Iga would add in. Just because the main character is female doesn't mean there should be one. Shanoa doesn't have one. Maria doesn't have one. Charlotte doesn't have one. And imo, it wouldn't fit in with the game's style, just like how it wouldn't fit in with a Metroid game.
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Post by DragonByDegrees on Jun 22, 2015 18:50:19 GMT -6
I really don't think Miriam will have a romance interest. That doesn't seem like something Iga would add in. Just because the main character is female doesn't mean there should be one. Shanoa doesn't have one. Maria doesn't have one. Charlotte doesn't have one. And imo, it wouldn't fit in with the game's style, just like how it wouldn't fit in with a Metroid game. Albus loved Shanoa. It might've been brotherly love at first (even though they aren't related), but it grew. Had he lived, something probably would've come from that love. Maria fell for Alucard in SotN. There weren't any hints of romantic attraction to anyone in Rondo of Blood (that I remember), but she was 12 then. Charlotte and Johnathan's relationship doesn't seem to be romantic in nature, though, so I agree with you there. It would fit in just fine with Castlevania's style, given how love has been a big part of the plot of several of the games, but I agree that having a female (or male) character and another character doesn't mean there needs to be romantic interest involved.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 22, 2015 19:03:13 GMT -6
I really don't think Miriam will have a romance interest. That doesn't seem like something Iga would add in. Just because the main character is female doesn't mean there should be one. Shanoa doesn't have one. Maria doesn't have one. Charlotte doesn't have one. And imo, it wouldn't fit in with the game's style, just like how it wouldn't fit in with a Metroid game. Albus loved Shanoa. It might've been brotherly love at first (even though they aren't related), but it grew. Had he lived, something probably would've come from that love. Maria fell for Alucard in SotN. There weren't any hints of romantic attraction to anyone in Rondo of Blood (that I remember), but she was 12 then. Charlotte and Johnathan's relationship doesn't seem to be romantic in nature, though, so I agree with you there. It would fit in just fine with Castlevania's style, given how love has been a big part of the plot of several of the games, but I agree that having a female (or male) character and another character doesn't mean there needs to be romantic interest involved. I meant that it doesn't get in the way of the overall plot.
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Post by ghaleon on Jun 22, 2015 20:43:10 GMT -6
I really don't think Miriam will have a romance interest. That doesn't seem like something Iga would add in. Just because the main character is female doesn't mean there should be one. Shanoa doesn't have one. Maria doesn't have one. Charlotte doesn't have one. And imo, it wouldn't fit in with the game's style, just like how it wouldn't fit in with a Metroid game. Again, I dont' care if it has one or not, and frankly, I expect there to be no romantic subplot. But who the heck said there should be one 'just because the main character is female'? It's not like every game with romantic subplots have a female MC...In fact I think it's MORE common for a male MC to have a romantic subplot than a female MC. I don't disagree with your opinion, I just disagree with your reasoning behind it. Simply having a romantic subplot doesn't weaken a character, regardless of them being male or female, so why make it sound like it would? I think it would be nice if there were more games with female MCs that DID have a romantic subplot without politically correct police shaming people for somehow affiliating that with some kind of accusation of somehow treating female MC as less heroic or whatever. I'm NOT saying you are such a person mind you, just that the way you brought up miriam's gender to begin with has nothing to do with it, and if someone DOES want a romantic subplot, I don't think it would be fair to assume they wanted it just cuz they think women need romance or some silly notion like that. I'm scared someone will take offense to this post, please read it the most amicable way you can, I'm merely trying to encourage acceptance, nothing more.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 22, 2015 20:51:00 GMT -6
I don't know WHY you would come to that conclusion, but you need to lighten up. Don't make this a repeat of what happened the other day in the off-topics section. Miriam is female, therefore romance is possible. I'd prefer there not be a romance subplot in an Igavania game. My opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Cale on Jun 22, 2015 20:56:19 GMT -6
I don't know WHY you would come to that conclusion, but you need to lighten up. Don't make this a repeat of what happened the other day in the off-topics section. Miriam is female, therefore romance is possible. I'd prefer there not be a romance subplot in an Igavania game. My opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. But... but... wine glass....
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Post by DragonByDegrees on Jun 22, 2015 21:08:14 GMT -6
I don't know WHY you would come to that conclusion, but you need to lighten up. Don't make this a repeat of what happened the other day in the off-topics section. Miriam is female, therefore romance is possible. I'd prefer there not be a romance subplot in an Igavania game. My opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. But... but... wine glass.... [There was a joke here involving the wine glass smiley, the candle smiley, and a skeleton, but it's gone now.]
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Post by Cale on Jun 22, 2015 21:11:23 GMT -6
But... but... wine glass.... [There was a joke here involving the wine glass smiley, the candle smiley, and a skeleton, but it's gone now.] Ya I know. . . they were awesome, I had to redo the Eyeball familiar one in one of my previous posts.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 22, 2015 21:29:35 GMT -6
I should probably give my reasoning why I think Bloodstained in particular probably won't have a romance subplot.
1. Miriam suffered a traumatic experience in her past regarding the Magi-crystal curse, something designed by The Alchemists to create weapons for killing demons(or something like that). She was one out of only two to survive the ordeal, but ended up in a curse-induced coma. She woke up 10 years later with amnesia. Romance would be the LAST thing on her mind. I'm not even sure if she has long to live, unless the curse will be purged by the end. 2. Miriam is described as a person of few words, but strong in purpose. Doesn't seem like romance material to me. Much like Shanoa, they have a purpose, and aren't looking for romance. 3. Johannes is one of The Alchemists, even if he did leave them, and is one of the good guys. Him being a romantic interest is out of the question. I suspect Miriam and Johannes will have a professional relationship. 4. Gebel has gone insane from the curse, and is the antagonist of the castle. Even if he is saved, there are more pressing matters at hand then romance. I can't discount the possibility of Miriam and Gebel becoming a couple in a sequel, but not in this game.
Also, this forum needs a wine-glass smiley.
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Post by ghaleon on Jun 22, 2015 21:39:50 GMT -6
I don't know WHY you would come to that conclusion, but you need to lighten up. Don't make this a repeat of what happened the other day in the off-topics section. Miriam is female, therefore romance is possible. I'd prefer there not be a romance subplot in an Igavania game. My opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. I didn't even have a conclusion other than I agreed with your opinion, just not the logic behind it, and nothing I said had even a hint of being upset, clearly you are afraid of an argument, even a constructive one, so I will drop it. But please don't try and make me look like I'm at fault here somehow for trying to respectfully trying to debate...There is no debate rule on the forums, and you have not expressed any sensitivity on the subject until now. I also am unaware of any wrongdoing on my part in the offtopics section, should you wish to point it out in private or public feel free to do so. But I cannot promise to avoid repeating something when I don't even know what it is that apparently upset you. edit: You made a new post, I don't disagree with any of your reasons there, I agree, romance seems out of place for those reasons. I just disagreed about Miriam's gender having anything to do with anything =P, and I don't mean that in a 'but what about male/male' way. But yeah, just wanted to mention I'm not even disagreeing with those either.
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Post by Cale on Jun 22, 2015 21:53:36 GMT -6
I should probably give my reasoning why I think Bloodstained in particular probably won't have a romance subplot. 1. Miriam suffered a traumatic experience in her past regarding the Magi-crystal curse, something designed by The Alchemists to create weapons for killing demons(or something like that). She was one out of only two to survive the ordeal, but ended up in a curse-induced coma. She woke up 10 years later with amnesia. Romance would be the LAST thing on her mind. I'm not even sure if she has long to live, unless the curse will be purged by the end. 2. Miriam is described as a person of few words, but strong in purpose. Doesn't seem like romance material to me. Much like Shanoa, they have a purpose, and aren't looking for romance. 3. Johannes is one of The Alchemists, even if he did leave them, and is one of the good guys. Him being a romantic interest is out of the question. I suspect Miriam and Johannes will have a professional relationship. 4. Gebel has gone insane from the curse, and is the antagonist of the castle. Even if he is saved, there are more pressing matters at hand then romance. I can't discount the possibility of Miriam and Gebel becoming a couple in a sequel, but not in this game. Also, this forum needs a wine-glass smiley. All these reasons make me believe wine would be my only companion. Oh wine, how I love you. In vino veritas
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 22, 2015 21:55:51 GMT -6
I don't know WHY you would come to that conclusion, but you need to lighten up. Don't make this a repeat of what happened the other day in the off-topics section. Miriam is female, therefore romance is possible. I'd prefer there not be a romance subplot in an Igavania game. My opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. I didn't even have a conclusion other than I agreed with your opinion, just not the logic behind it, and nothing I said had even a hint of being upset, clearly you are afraid of an argument, even a constructive one, so I will drop it. But please don't try and make me look like I'm at fault here somehow for trying to respectfully trying to debate...There is no debate rule on the forums, and you have not expressed any sensitivity on the subject until now. I also am unaware of any wrongdoing on my part in the offtopics section, should you wish to point it out in private or public feel free to do so. But I cannot promise to avoid repeating something when I don't even know what it is that apparently upset you. edit: You made a new post, I don't disagree with any of your reasons there, I agree, romance seems out of place for those reasons. I just disagreed about Miriam's gender having anything to do with anything =P, and I don't mean that in a 'but what about male/male' way. But yeah, just wanted to mention I'm not even disagreeing with those either. You seemed to attack me regarding my choice of words about Miriam being a female, which means there should be romance, when that was just the impression I had reading the last few posts, which is why I responded how I did. I apologize if I misunderstood your intentions, but I really hate when someone tries to force an argument/debate about a subject no one wants to talk about. The topic I was refering in the off-topics section was a topic started by JeffCross which had a questionable title similar to what you mentioned, and that one ended up getting locked. I don't want that to happen to this one just because someone happened to start a debate regarding something no one wants to talk about. Keep a cool atmosphere, please.
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Post by Ciel on Jun 22, 2015 22:02:59 GMT -6
I should probably give my reasoning why I think Bloodstained in particular probably won't have a romance subplot. 1. Miriam suffered a traumatic experience in her past regarding the Magi-crystal curse, something designed by The Alchemists to create weapons for killing demons(or something like that). She was one out of only two to survive the ordeal, but ended up in a curse-induced coma. She woke up 10 years later with amnesia. Romance would be the LAST thing on her mind. I'm not even sure if she has long to live, unless the curse will be purged by the end. 2. Miriam is described as a person of few words, but strong in purpose. Doesn't seem like romance material to me. Much like Shanoa, they have a purpose, and aren't looking for romance. 3. Johannes is one of The Alchemists, even if he did leave them, and is one of the good guys. Him being a romantic interest is out of the question. I suspect Miriam and Johannes will have a professional relationship. 4. Gebel has gone insane from the curse, and is the antagonist of the castle. Even if he is saved, there are more pressing matters at hand then romance. I can't discount the possibility of Miriam and Gebel becoming a couple in a sequel, but not in this game. Also, this forum needs a wine-glass smiley. All these reasons make me believe wine would be my only companion. Oh wine, how I love you. In vino veritasAre you implying a depressing Miriam? Anyway, I can see her addicted to wine *insert wine glass emoticon here*, lol. About the romance, given a good reason I really don't care about that, but Arcueid has some points. Nevertheless, I suspect Johannes and Gebel have something to do with that Miriam's amnesia, they probably hold some kind of dark secret
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Post by Cale on Jun 22, 2015 22:06:30 GMT -6
All these reasons make me believe wine would be my only companion. Oh wine, how I love you. In vino veritasAre you implying a depressing Miriam? Anyway, I can see her addicted to wine *insert wine glass emoticon here*, lol. About the romance, given a good reason I really don't care about that, but Arcueid has some points. Nevertheless, I suspect Johannes and Gebel have something to do with that Miriam's amnesia, they probably hold some kind of dark secret Are you accusing gentle Johannes of a misdeed? Shaaaaaaaame. . . *Walks away* *Quiet voice* Shaaaaaaaaame. . .
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 22, 2015 22:10:23 GMT -6
I think Iga mentioned in an interview explaining the amnesia as: Miriam remembers the core events, but the order in which they happened is scrambled. I forgot which page I read that, but correct me if I'm wrong.
That would be quite a twist if her amnesia was caused by Johannes. What if Johannes is manipulating Miriam to kill Gebel for some reason or another?[/randomtheory]
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Post by Ciel on Jun 22, 2015 22:12:26 GMT -6
Are you implying a depressing Miriam? Anyway, I can see her addicted to wine *insert wine glass emoticon here*, lol. About the romance, given a good reason I really don't care about that, but Arcueid has some points. Nevertheless, I suspect Johannes and Gebel have something to do with that Miriam's amnesia, they probably hold some kind of dark secret Are you accusing gentle Johannes of a misdeed? Shaaaaaaaame. . . *Walks away* *Quiet voice* Shaaaaaaaaame. . . But they are suspicious, don't you think? Look that blond man over there with glasses and Indiana Jones's outfit, how could a person be more suspicious than that?
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 22, 2015 22:18:45 GMT -6
Johannes supposedly left The Alchemists because he didn't like how they handled things. Although it's possible he left so he wouldn't get killed by Gebel during his Magi-curse induced rage which killed all of The Alchemists. We might be onto something here, lol.
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Post by Cale on Jun 22, 2015 22:28:34 GMT -6
Johannes supposedly left The Alchemists because he didn't like how they handled things. Although it's possible he left so he wouldn't get killed by Gebel during his Magi-curse induced rage which killed all of The Alchemists. We might be onto something here, lol. Ya, the whole thing reeks of Johannes being in the know, and letting things unfold this way so he can manipulate things to his own end. I am assuming he is using Gebel to cause a mess, and he probably will use Miriam to clean it up and come out on top.
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