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Post by JeffCross on Sept 22, 2015 13:46:52 GMT -6
It would be a weird crossover, considering that this character isn't from an indie game, but... I actually want to see Miriam in a "Juri Han"-themed costume. I really like the spider-patterned straps on that "vest" of hers (whatever it's called) I can see that happening as long as it is just themed... the bottoms would be the hardest to do though lol
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Post by zanzuki93 on Sept 23, 2015 23:01:05 GMT -6
That sounds really cool I hope it happens
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Post by zanzuki93 on Sept 23, 2015 23:04:55 GMT -6
How many colors of dyes would we have to get exactly is my next question on the whole collecting the dyes from monsters would there multi colored dyes or would they all be solid colors?
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Post by Dvv on Sept 23, 2015 23:45:39 GMT -6
I'd rather not have to collect dyes, I don't think you should be limited on what colors you want. Especially since this means some people will miss out and won't be able to get the specific colors they want until possible endgame.
I'd prefer that you have the option to color your outfits with sliders. Heck having the option to use sliders on different parts of your outfit would be great.
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Post by Goobsausage on Sept 24, 2015 0:28:01 GMT -6
I'd rather not have to collect dyes, I don't think you should be limited on what colors you want. Especially since this means some people will miss out and won't be able to get the specific colors they want until possible endgame. I'd prefer that you have the option to color your outfits with sliders. Heck having the option to use sliders on different parts of your outfit would be great. This 100%. Having to collect dyes seems like filler/gameplay padding, sounds like an inconvenience for people who just want one color, and feels like a feature of the game is being taken away rather than added. "Hmm, should we just give the player the freedom and convenience to choose whatever colors they want whenever they want, or should we make them grind enemies, look for them, or possibly keep them from getting a color they want until late in the game instead?" Choosing colors for different parts sounds great, but I also think it'd be nice to have an option to color the entire outfit in order to streamline the whole process if the player doesn't plan on coloring each part separately.
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Post by JeffCross on Sept 24, 2015 1:59:50 GMT -6
I'd rather not have to collect dyes, I don't think you should be limited on what colors you want. Especially since this means some people will miss out and won't be able to get the specific colors they want until possible endgame. I'd prefer that you have the option to color your outfits with sliders. Heck having the option to use sliders on different parts of your outfit would be great. This 100%. Having to collect dyes seems like filler/gameplay padding, sounds like an inconvenience for people who just want one color, and feels like a feature of the game is being taken away rather than added. "Hmm, should we just give the player the freedom and convenience to choose whatever colors they want whenever they want, or should we make them grind enemies, look for them, or possibly keep them from getting a color they want until late in the game instead?" Choosing colors for different parts sounds great, but I also think it'd be nice to have an option to color the entire outfit in order to streamline the whole process if the player doesn't plan on coloring each part separately. as I said in my earlier post I do agree getting one dye color at a time is annoying. And grinding sounds like too much, to some a bit disheartening. So I thought of an alternative... "a color wheel"... but the player has to fix it... i don't think it should be hard to fix though... but once it is done "boom" you have all the color you want. whatever happened to earning something though game play. we always just say "hey I want it all now" and poof there it is... it's lazy gaming imo.
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Post by Apollonian on Sept 24, 2015 5:43:45 GMT -6
I think the broken color wheel thing sounds like a good idea. It doesn't have to take long so it won't be grindy/filler and it could be one of the first available quests so it could double as a tutorial for gameplay mechanics and map navigation. It should also be auto-complete in new game+. Just an idea.
We still of course have no idea how the customization will be. They have more than enough money to do it right but they may not want to focus on it and take the common route of preset color schemes *shudders*
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Post by Goobsausage on Sept 24, 2015 20:11:18 GMT -6
as I said in my earlier post I do agree getting one dye color at a time is annoying. And grinding sounds like too much, to some a bit disheartening. So I thought of an alternative... "a color wheel"... but the player has to fix it... i don't think it should be hard to fix though... but once it is done "boom" you have all the color you want. whatever happened to earning something though game play. we always just say "hey I want it all now" and poof there it is... it's lazy gaming imo. Didn't see that idea earlier. Even then... I still don't like anything about the mystic color wheel idea. Everything about it seems unnecessary and overly complicated when other games can just let you change your colors through a menu any time you want without having to earn anything. Since changing colors is purely a visual and "just for fun" thing that doesn't impact the game's weapons, armor, or traversal moves, I don't find anything about changing colors in a convenient way lazy.
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Post by Dvv on Sept 24, 2015 22:51:37 GMT -6
as I said in my earlier post I do agree getting one dye color at a time is annoying. And grinding sounds like too much, to some a bit disheartening. So I thought of an alternative... "a color wheel"... but the player has to fix it... i don't think it should be hard to fix though... but once it is done "boom" you have all the color you want. whatever happened to earning something though game play. we always just say "hey I want it all now" and poof there it is... it's lazy gaming imo. Didn't see that idea earlier. Even then... I still don't like anything about the mystic color wheel idea. Everything about it seems unnecessary and overly complicated when other games can just let you change your colors through a menu any time you want without having to earn anything. Since changing colors is purely a visual and "just for fun" thing that doesn't impact the game's weapons, armor, or traversal moves, I don't find anything about changing colors in a convenient way lazy. Agreed. There should just be a town that has all the shops you'd come to expect, and one of them would be a tailor that can change your colors and buy outfits from. No need to make it complicated.
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Post by JeffCross on Sept 25, 2015 5:29:39 GMT -6
Didn't see that idea earlier. Even then... I still don't like anything about the mystic color wheel idea. Everything about it seems unnecessary and overly complicated when other games can just let you change your colors through a menu any time you want without having to earn anything. Since changing colors is purely a visual and "just for fun" thing that doesn't impact the game's weapons, armor, or traversal moves, I don't find anything about changing colors in a convenient way lazy. Agreed. There should just be a town that has all the shops you'd come to expect, and one of them would be a tailor that can change your colors and buy outfits from. No need to make it complicated. Wow... gamers have really become complacent... I give up. I put my suggestion out there hope it flies... and if doesn't I just hope Iga doesn't do the craft your own dye idea... he can be sadistic sometimes. so long and thanks for all the fish
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Post by BahamutKaiser on Sept 25, 2015 14:48:25 GMT -6
What about a full amazon costume, just wearing nothing? Just fighting full barb with no shame XD
No?, oh well, maybe she can get away with it if her whole body transforms into glass. Or they can go full Monty Gebel, he'd be like, "there's too much man for you to handle!" You could have like super low defense, and bring new meaning to naked run. Like "B, I Ninja Gaiden that S!" Lol
Okay maybe nobody else finds that amusing. Maybe they can get away with a naked Ares boss though, like nothing but a Sword and Hoplon.
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Post by Apollonian on Sept 25, 2015 15:36:42 GMT -6
I am sure she could get away with the glass thing but I am certainly against pointless nudity. It just brings down the quality of the game imo. From your post it seems pretty obvious that you are joking but I am just putting that out there as I know there are those sad few people that backed the game just because they like how Miriam looks. Feels disrespectful of Iga's legacy to me. Oh well, at least he gets their money and doesn't have any obligation to perv up his game.
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Post by Goobsausage on Sept 25, 2015 15:37:44 GMT -6
What about a full amazon costume, just wearing nothing? Just fighting full barb with no shame XD No?, oh well, maybe she can get away with it if her whole body transforms into glass. Or they can go full Monty Gebel, he'd be like, "there's too much man for you to handle!" You could have like super low defense, and bring new meaning to naked run. Like "B, I Ninja Gaiden that S!" Lol Okay maybe nobody else finds that amusing. Maybe they can get away with a naked Ares boss though, like nothing but a Sword and Hoplon. Fully crystalized costumes do sound pretty neat. If they get in, I hope it's done in a classy way where people go "wow, that looks cool!" rather than "tee hee, crystalized nudity!"
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Post by BahamutKaiser on Sept 25, 2015 16:59:31 GMT -6
I am sure she could get away with the glass thing but I am certainly against pointless nudity. It just brings down the quality of the game imo. From your post it seems pretty obvious that you are joking but I am just putting that out there as I know there are those sad few people that backed the game just because they like how Miriam looks. Feels disrespectful of Iga's legacy to me. Oh well, at least he gets their money and doesn't have any obligation to perv up his game. There were plenty of monsters in SotN which were naked, poor graphic fidelity kind of obscured it, but elegant nudity and evocative behavior are thematic of dark Gothic and demonic aesthetics. I don't actually think that Miriam should have a plain nude costume, as it would end up being gimmicky with many immature fans, but I think it could actually contribute to the aesthetic of the game otherwise, and it doesn't have to be some naked goddess summon or rose bud demon to be appropriate. It's actually unfortunate that the outcry for decency is so strong that we can't appreciate erotic art, I mean it wasn't taboo in ancient Greece and sculpture. All that aside, I would honestly support man mode Gebel, with modestly drawn junk and all. It would be both amusing and liberating to just bear it all out and say "too much man for you demon!" As you reverse summersault slash a boss in the head in all your naked glory. At least if they did a naked man, we wouldn't have to listen to as many SJW and feminist lash out at the representation of small pixilated nudity
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Post by crocodile on Sept 25, 2015 17:02:59 GMT -6
You know (and this isn't a critique, just an observation) it kind of amazes me how attractive this option/concept is to the backers of this project. The "costume" system in SOTN is something I kind of just ignored but it seems to have been such a memorable part of that game to so many that its lead to so much conversation on this topic as well as the "Customize" system Inticreates eventually implemented (smart on them for listening to the backers on this). What about a full amazon costume, just wearing nothing? Just fighting full barb with no shame XD No?, oh well, maybe she can get away with it if her whole body transforms into glass. Or they can go full Monty Gebel, he'd be like, "there's too much man for you to handle!" You could have like super low defense, and bring new meaning to naked run. Like "B, I Ninja Gaiden that S!" Lol Okay maybe nobody else finds that amusing. Maybe they can get away with a naked Ares boss though, like nothing but a Sword and Hoplon. The only way something like that could work is if it was featureless nudity. Like with the Liquid Terminators or when the Human Torch activates his power. Where basically their entire body is either patterned or mono-colored and most sense of "detail" is lost. Anything else, anything approaching actual, "realistic" nudity, is a nonstarter for what should be like a million obvious reasons. I am sure she could get away with the glass thing but I am certainly against pointless nudity. It just brings down the quality of the game imo. From your post it seems pretty obvious that you are joking but I am just putting that out there as I know there are those sad few people that backed the game just because they like how Miriam looks. Feels disrespectful of Iga's legacy to me. Oh well, at least he gets their money and doesn't have any obligation to perv up his game. There were plenty of monsters in SotN which were naked, poor graphic fidelity kind of obscured it, but elegant nudity and evocative behavior are thematic of dark Gothic and demonic aesthetics. I don't actually think that Miriam should have a plain nude costume, as it would end up being gimmicky with many immature fans, but I think it could actually contribute to the aesthetic of the game otherwise, and it doesn't have to be some naked goddess summon or rose bud demon to be appropriate. It's actually unfortunate that the outcry for decency is so strong that we can't appreciate erotic art, I mean it wasn't taboo in ancient Greece and sculpture. All that aside, I would honestly support man mode Gebel, with modestly drawn junk and all. It would be both amusing and liberating to just bear it all out and say "too much man for you demon!" As you reverse summersault slash a boss in the head in all your naked glory. At least if they did a naked man, we wouldn't have to listen to as many SJW and feminist lash out at the representation of small pixilated nudity There's a big difference between monsters or even bosses/subosses and the protagonist/antagonist of your game. Its very easy to justify monsters (especially sexually themed ones like Succubi and Vampires) in states of undress, less so much for human/mostly humanoid major characters especially in a game of this sort. It's certainly not impossible - I mean you could get away with it in like a transformation (we've certainly had Succbi transformations in previous games) but that's clearly not what you're describing, it still wouldn't be full on nudity and full on nudity (or just prancing around in a thong or speedo) just for the sake of it is going to be a turn off to a lot of people.
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Post by Apollonian on Sept 25, 2015 17:26:22 GMT -6
There were plenty of monsters in SotN which were naked, poor graphic fidelity kind of obscured it, but elegant nudity and evocative behavior are thematic of dark Gothic and demonic aesthetics. I don't actually think that Miriam should have a plain nude costume, as it would end up being gimmicky with many immature fans, but I think it could actually contribute to the aesthetic of the game otherwise, and it doesn't have to be some naked goddess summon or rose bud demon to be appropriate. It's actually unfortunate that the outcry for decency is so strong that we can't appreciate erotic art, I mean it wasn't taboo in ancient Greece and sculpture. All that aside, I would honestly support man mode Gebel, with modestly drawn junk and all. It would be both amusing and liberating to just bear it all out and say "too much man for you demon!" As you reverse summersault slash a boss in the head in all your naked glory. At least if they did a naked man, we wouldn't have to listen to as many SJW and feminist lash out at the representation of small pixilated nudity As long as it fits the context of the game I am fine with it, and I am aware of the history of "tasteful" (sounds untasteful to say that. lol) nudity in Castlevania. I remember playing through Castlevania Chronicles and there were the nude mud-monsters and my gf came in the room, took one look at the screen and said "Is that a mud-chick?" lol I am also aware of the Greek penchant for erotic art. I am a classics major and I had a whole unit on it. Still trying to figure out what the hooker was doing to the man with a shoe (using the shoe) on one particular kylix. lol I saw enough male nudity running through MGS:2 like 8 times. If I ever met Raiden irl I wouldn't be able to make eye contact.
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Post by JeffCross on Sept 25, 2015 17:30:17 GMT -6
You know (and this isn't a critique, just an observation) it kind of amazes me how attractive this option/concept is to the backers of this project. The "costume" system in SOTN is something I kind of just ignored but it seems to have been such a memorable part of that game to so many that its lead to so much conversation on this topic as well as the "Customize" system Inticreates eventually implemented (smart on them for listening to the backers on this). What about a full amazon costume, just wearing nothing? Just fighting full barb with no shame XD No?, oh well, maybe she can get away with it if her whole body transforms into glass. Or they can go full Monty Gebel, he'd be like, "there's too much man for you to handle!" You could have like super low defense, and bring new meaning to naked run. Like "B, I Ninja Gaiden that S!" Lol Okay maybe nobody else finds that amusing. Maybe they can get away with a naked Ares boss though, like nothing but a Sword and Hoplon. The only way something like that could work is if it was featureless nudity. Like with the Liquid Terminators or when the Human Torch activates his power. Where basically their entire body is either patterned or mono-colored and most sense of "detail" is lost. Anything else, anything approaching actual, "realistic" nudity, is a nonstarter for what should be like a million obvious reasons. There were plenty of monsters in SotN which were naked, poor graphic fidelity kind of obscured it, but elegant nudity and evocative behavior are thematic of dark Gothic and demonic aesthetics. I don't actually think that Miriam should have a plain nude costume, as it would end up being gimmicky with many immature fans, but I think it could actually contribute to the aesthetic of the game otherwise, and it doesn't have to be some naked goddess summon or rose bud demon to be appropriate. It's actually unfortunate that the outcry for decency is so strong that we can't appreciate erotic art, I mean it wasn't taboo in ancient Greece and sculpture. All that aside, I would honestly support man mode Gebel, with modestly drawn junk and all. It would be both amusing and liberating to just bear it all out and say "too much man for you demon!" As you reverse summersault slash a boss in the head in all your naked glory. At least if they did a naked man, we wouldn't have to listen to as many SJW and feminist lash out at the representation of small pixilated nudity There's a big difference between monsters or even bosses/subosses and the protagonist/antagonist of your game. Its very easy to justify monsters (especially sexually themed ones like Succubi and Vampires) in states of undress, less so much for human/mostly humanoid major characters especially in a game of this sort. It's certainly not impossible - I mean you could get away with it in like a transformation (we've certainly had Succbi transformations in previous games) but that's clearly not what you're describing, it still wouldn't be full on nudity and full on nudity (or just prancing around in a thong or speedo) just for the sake of it is going to be a turn off to a lot of people. Loved that response lol... and I had no idea this thread was going to get the response it got lol I just made it to think up some imaginary outfits for Miriam lol. Now back to the topic, if you've notice when Iga is in charge of a game, his girls are dressed modestly. the monsters on the other hand... not so much. I like the way Iga does this and I hope he continues to make his girls badass and modest... That being said... I would still want to see kitty a maid costume on Miriam... nothing too revealing just for fun you know. That was why I wished there was another girl to play with lol.
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Post by zanzuki93 on Sept 26, 2015 3:52:50 GMT -6
Jeff I think the idea in general of having more costumes to choose from gives a lot more variety in what we get to see the main character or heck even or other characters with different costumes imo. I still agree with you again about the kitty outfit :3
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Post by Galamoth on Sept 26, 2015 7:23:54 GMT -6
This is not a serious suggestion: I admit to wondering how good Miriam would look in a sailor-fuku. :3
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Post by Rigel on Sept 27, 2015 10:08:37 GMT -6
I would love to see Miriam wearing an armor very similiar to simon's armor in the cover of simons quest
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