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Post by Ciel on May 30, 2019 22:28:48 GMT -6
The lack of respect to one another is making me want to temp ban everyone with a negative post. Like some mom flailing their arm around at the back seat while driving because she doesn't know what kid started it but she's just gonna start smacking. Everyone chill out. With all due respect, Mike, this doesn't help either. browren has basically been on a insult and defamation campaign against 505 in these forums non-stop since the Linux version got cancelled. He's entitled to his opinion, people are entitled to agree or disagree with him - sympathize with him, even - but he's not entitled to hate on 505 non-stop every time there's an update. It's not as if we don't know how he feels, and there are separate threads for that. At the end of the day, he's not here simply share his thoughts on the project - he's in the forums to spread hate on the game, and hopefully sour people on it to undermine its chances of success. This attitude is the ultimate show of disrespect to you and every other backer who's spent time and effort cultivating a positive environment where people can agree to disagree. True, many otherwise respectful members of the community have responded negatively to him, as well - but only because his own hostility to the project. He may not use vulgar language, but calling 505 thieves is not exactly being respectful either. Bottom line, if mods want to ban someone, ban him. There, I said it. It would not be suppressing someone for feeling cheated and expressing it - his conduct has gone far beyond that. There is ample justification to do it if you so choose, on the basis of him showing disrespect to the entire community through his conduct. Now, I'm sure he'll proceed to quote each and every last sentence in this post and go on about how the cheaters are 505 and they're the ones showing disrespect to the customers, etc. I'll ignore him, because what he wants is attention. I suggest everyone ignore him as well. I'm also cognizant that this post might get me in trouble, as well, but I've seen and had enough at this point. Mods need to step up and do their job without trying to be "fair to both sides" - the one that's full of spite and the one that's just looking forward to the game - or I'll gladly leave these forums myself. With all due respect, given how much you contribute to this community, I completely disagree with you.
You see, his complaints and demands are totally legit and valid. Wii U and PS Vita backers received an option to get their money back, why then Linux/Mac backers didn't? Are they somehow inferior to the others? And what's with "middleware problems" with Linux? You certainly know, as much as me and browren given we are all developers, that Linux has an awesome and active developing community that would happily help with whatever problems they were facing. Yet, as stated by browren several times now, they probably didn't even try.
Browren's persistence is not his fault, but 505's. He already tried to contact all social media accounts, Discord and this forum, and to this day he only got radio silence and generic answers. What do you expect him to do now that he tried everything? Giving up, really? He decided to post his complaints on every Kickstarter update thread because it's the most likely place to be read by a 505 staff member. It would be spam should he create a new thread everytime he wants to complain about the same thing after all.
I don't think he has been direspectful at all. Sure, this time around he may have said too much with the "thief" thing, but that isn't a valid reason for a ban (at least in my opinion), a warning sure but a ban would be too much. He's frustrated, it's natural for a frustrated person to be negative. That doesn't mean he is actively trying to sour everyone's else experience. I see that a couple of people are acting like he is doing that, but honestly that's not browren's problem.
Finally, do you really think that everyone here can agree to disagree? Two years ago I called this place an "echo-chamber", and I relinquished myself to be a lurker, posting only occasionally. I did this because everytime someone appeared here with a more negative criticism, be it valid or not, he was met with tons of backers downplaying his comment and shooing him away of this forum. It happened last year with that "Graphics Downgrade" thread, where we had to deal with some backers downplaying our complaints by saying "stop complaining guys, the game's still in development, it will be resolved" or "it's only the graphics, who cares about graphics", when at the time the game was only months away of launch. I wonder what would have happened if we have stopped giving feedback at the time, surely WayForward wouldn't have stepped in to fix those damn ugly graphics. And now this is happening, when we have a couple of backers downplaying browren's valid criticism and demanding him to stop everytime he posts something because reasons. This is a discussion forum, and an official one at that, where every opinion and complaint should be heard. You may think one or another is invalid, but sure as hell you don't have the right to shut up someone else.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 30, 2019 23:30:46 GMT -6
All PS4 backers do get the theme. It is mentioned in the update today. I'm not 100% on this, but I believe I've seen that DRM question answered myself - Steamworks is all that it has, if I remember right, or at least Denuvo was completely ruled out. It would make sense to only have Steam's default as there's a GOG version. First I mention PC so obviously I did not ask for a PS4 version. I own a PS4 so I feel should be getting all the same things as them since I paid the same. I own multiple games on steam that do not have steamworks DRM. They said they wanted no reason for piracy but this is one so they should remove it since steamworks is a joke anyway. This is big deal to me since I am getting a PC physical version of the game. This comes off as needlessly defensive. I really just want to help answer questions. This is your original post: I could not determine you were a PC-only backer and didn't back a PS4 platform from how this post was written. You mentioned something about your friend asking a question about the Steam version having DRM, and the first half was only about the PS4 theme. If you mean I should have known this from your response to roguedragon05, that post was after mine. Only the PS4 backers are getting that theme because that's the version of the game they chose, and if your selections include PS4 as a secondary copy, you will be receiving it as well. All backers of all platforms receiving the PS4 theme would be unnecessary and a monumental amount of work for something that 95% would never use. For the DRM issue, Steam does have DRM and GOG does not (as seen on platform selection surveys). The specifics of what Steam has is unknown to me except that it's not Denuvo. To all/everyone, we have always had a very open, welcoming and lenient community. That's the atmosphere that allows these conversations to be aired and not strictly moderated. We don't like handing out bans and policing discussions. Please, don't make us change our standards, and instead I implore you to take a high road. I never, ever want to ban someone, especially not people who I feel have legitimate concerns, but if we are pushed enough, it will have to happen. That being said, I agree with Mike on 505 being the only ones to engage Browren. I would not forgive myself for silencing him, but it is also not allowable to name-call 505 employees. For his case, in a general sense, I would prefer if the community bears it for now until 505 meets his concerns with some degree of finality. |
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Post by ReySol on May 31, 2019 2:29:30 GMT -6
I remember when this forum was a wonderful place full of positive thoughts..Unfortunately, due to (in my opinion) disrespect of the backers by 505 games we have these conflicts of opinions. I am sure everyone is still happy about the game finally coming out, it is what we have been waiting for since Kickstarter 4 years ago, or better yet - since Order of Ecclesia. Browren is in his right to complain and hopefully 505 will react and make amends. I think that many people who are discussing their opinions don`t understand where the problems are. Backers are not complaining because of losing the exclusive content, but due to the handling of the matter including: -no refund for Mac&Linux -using the condescending tone with table of values of each "reward" to justify the release of backer exclusive DLC first day for everyone (also, slipcase is worth 10 USD?) -using the excuse of the survey which was open to the public and I think it does not match their conclusions -using the excuse of pirating games (those who pirate will still pirate games, nothing changes there and those who buy and support developers will still buy) -no replies concerning multiple shipments and problems with fees and taxes that arise from that situation I hope all this will be resolved, it is in everyone`s interest. If it is not solved well, I think there will be significantly less backers for a possible Kickstarter in the future. I believe everything will be fine in the end, so everyone can be at peace and happy with the new game we have craved for since many years. Pure Miriam Good idea for the thread about the 3rd playable character. I was going to write about it here, and than got distracted with the ongoing discussions. |
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Post by Nezuto on May 31, 2019 2:30:47 GMT -6
It may not even be a named character or could, possibly, be one of the most least suspected.
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Post by Dengojin on May 31, 2019 6:23:55 GMT -6
Hello everyone, since this thread is about "Release approaches / Zangetsu" I would ask if you please keep it around that discussion, any further talk about Browren or Linux in this thread would be considered off-topic and I will have to take these comments down unfortunately. This issue have taken more time than what it deserves, so let's end it here.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on May 31, 2019 6:29:13 GMT -6
ALFRED IS NEXT, YOU CHEEKY BASTARDS.
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Post by testboy8 on May 31, 2019 6:31:12 GMT -6
Gebel as 3rd playable character just like he was in COTM...
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Post by Dengojin on May 31, 2019 6:33:53 GMT -6
Like I mentioned in the Discord before, as much as I would love it to be Dominique I know that she won't be playable, it will be either Gebel or Mysterious man
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Post by testboy8 on May 31, 2019 6:43:47 GMT -6
Most likely Gebel...
People will want overwhelming support for Gebel to be 3rd playable character.
Imagine, he would have different story as villain player, he must fight Miriam as the boss, and final boss would be Gremory for him...
Mysterious Man is the one who had blonde hair, glasses and red shirt before he was Gebel. It would be a backstory.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on May 31, 2019 7:38:20 GMT -6
I agree, testboy8. The overwhelming support for ALFRED AS THE NEXT GODDAMN CHARACTER YOU UNCULTURED PIGDOGS makes it pretty unanimous. His last boss will actually be a reading comprehension test. |
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Post by Brainiac on May 31, 2019 7:56:07 GMT -6
If it is not solved well, I think there will be significantly less backers for a possible Kickstarter in the future.
Actually, I believe the data shows that sequel Kickstarters tend to get lower backer numbers regardless of how well the previous does. And in any case, it was stated before that the hope is Bloodstained proves itself well enough that the Kickstarter process is unnecessary for any potential sequel(s).
Mr. Welldone, is it your assertion that Alfred was hiding inside the Crate Boss? We'd both be right if that's the case. |
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Post by Mr. Welldone on May 31, 2019 8:01:02 GMT -6
Mr. Welldone , is it your assertion that Alfred was hiding inside the Crate Boss? We'd both be right if that's the case. He's the pilot. License and everything. |
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 31, 2019 8:49:01 GMT -6
This is about people who believed in the project when everyone thought these kind of games are not wanted anymore. They feel betrayed now, well most of them do. It could have been handled better. I'm with the rest of the sentiment in regards to $60 backers, but I don't think this is the case. Earlier your wording was that "many" were discontent with it and I think that's more accurate, where "most of" the backers feeling betrayed I don't think is quite how the situation is. It could just as well possibly be, but I don't think so, with just a certain amount vocal on the issue. A certain number have engaged to express how they feel wronged on the issue, with a similar number stepping in for mostly one-time posts about how they're not bothered, with the overwhelming majority of everyone affected just not engaging at all (like usual). It definitely could have been handled better and a not-insignificant amount of people are unhappy, but a most/majority, I don't believe so. |
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Post by ReySol on May 31, 2019 11:36:01 GMT -6
This is about people who believed in the project when everyone thought these kind of games are not wanted anymore. They feel betrayed now, well most of them do. It could have been handled better. I'm with the rest of the sentiment in regards to $60 backers, but I don't think this is the case. Earlier your wording was that "many" were discontent with it and I think that's more accurate, where "most of" the backers feeling betrayed I don't think is quite how the situation is. It could just as well possibly be, but I don't think so, with just a certain amount vocal on the issue. A certain number have engaged to express how they feel wronged on the issue, with a similar number stepping in for mostly one-time posts about how they're not bothered, with the overwhelming majority of everyone affected just not engaging at all (like usual). It definitely could have been handled better and a not-insignificant amount of people are unhappy, but a most/majority, I don't believe so. I was reading kickstarter comments from the last update, which seemed to be mostly disappointed backers. Those comments paint the picture. Everyone can post there with positive and negative comments, so I don't think it is just few load people. I am mostly satisfied because the game is coming out and I enjoyed the long wait with all of you here, but I am disappointed in how everything is handled by 505. I still believe in Iga, but I do not agree with 505’s decisions and I despise manipulators who put money in front of the promises. I agree everyone should have access to the full game, if those bonuses are important part of the game, but then it should not have been promised that way - it was the mean to persuade backers to pledge more. In the end the trust has been broken and backers are not compensated for that. If they were offered some additional little reward, it would solve the problem. For example, a small plush toy exclusive to 60$+ backers, or anything like that. I feel I am repeating myself and others, I think it has all been said already. Now let’s enjoy the countdown and hope everything works out  |
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Post by arrakur on May 31, 2019 13:19:12 GMT -6
The whole kickstarter campaign is a joke, no exclusive content for backers with lame excuse(piracy...), 3x Taxes, survey for everyone, and i want a refund or version change for the canceled vita version.
hope 505 games finance a possible next iga game, and not another kickstarter rip-off...
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Post by RichterB on May 31, 2019 13:41:50 GMT -6
-In terms of the release plans, I've already gone in-depth with my thoughts. There were some alternate things that could have been done that I wrote about there--timed exclusivity for backer DLC, not locking the credits to $100+ backers, expanding who gets the soundtrack--but it's fair enough overall, and I'm fine with it. The extra delays and such are unfortunate, though. -I assume Zangetsu will be unlockable after the main quest. He looks interesting (and taller than I'd expect somehow), but I'm always wary of the extra characters, since they rarely make the adventure worth revisiting in these types of games in a substantive way compared to entries like CV64/LoD or Bloodlines and end up coming off as unbalanced in the gameplay department. Shame his grappling hook doesn't have the Super Castlevania IV swinging effect, but I'm still holding out hope that Miriam will have a shard ability like that. After stuff like the pumpkin in Lament of Innocence, the extra character could be anyone. We can't forget, though, that some characters like Bloodless should theoretically be covered in the Boss Revenge Mode. -My prediction for the slipcase. If it's a $9.99 value...it's probably embossed and has a metallic sheen to it. I'm thinking it'll be iconography based, so I'd imagine there will be a stained-glass rose/flower involved. All that said, I'm glad it hasn't been spoiled what it'll look like. -The major bug IGA said was found; I assume when the game is powered up, the patch will automatically be downloaded? (This situation is certainly a reminder of how complex game development is these days.) -Whatever the details of the release, I'm just hoping for a stellar, memorable game. All the best! |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 14:51:17 GMT -6
Scalpers are going to be all over that Steel book case.
As far as surveys over the dlc backpack, I never got a survey at the time that one was sent out.
I have gotten every other survey, though. Weird.
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Post by roguedragon05 on May 31, 2019 14:51:17 GMT -6
I'm curious about the backstory of Zangetsu's sword, the Zangetsuto. Obviously it's named after him, and it's implied in CotM to have special powers, plus we see it on fire in the new demo. Hope they show how he got it in the game.
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Unfortunately there's really nothing to be done about that, scalpers are having fun with the Curse of the Moon physical edition and the trading cards that came with them if you look on Ebay. Most of the backers that bought multiple copies did so to sell the backer exclusive content to those that would pay.
(I admit I laughed when I read the update and thought about those guys, their not gonna make nearly as much money now.)
The good news is that it sounds like there will be a strong possibility of the steelbooks being open to general purchase sooner rather then later.
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Post by dahvoo on May 31, 2019 15:26:55 GMT -6
As far as surveys over the dlc backpack, I never got a survey at the time that one was sent out. I have gotten every other survey, though. Weird. It wasn't sent as a fangamer/kickstarter survey. It was a question asked as part of a fan survey that anyone with a gmail account could complete. The link to the survey was included in one of the updates they sent out around the time, April 2018. |
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