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Post by mourningxsun on May 23, 2019 10:30:00 GMT -6
Woof, nothing like announcing modes getting sliced off and released after launch at the last second here.
Overall nothing to really say about this update.
Buy this extra thing, buy that extra thing, and extra modes will have to be added later.
Not exactly fuel for the hype train.
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Post by Enkeria on May 23, 2019 10:37:41 GMT -6
1 steelcase per backer sounds good to me. I'll take 1! Only way to get one shipped here to Sweden I bet.
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Post by dahvoo on May 23, 2019 11:00:15 GMT -6
The issue (for me at least) is many of us backed at $60 instead of $28 to make sure we got was being touted as "exclusive backer-only content". That's $32 more invested in the project than we would have otherwise. Sleazy move to go back on it now after 4 years just to make $10 more per non backer.
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Post by Pure Miriam on May 23, 2019 11:26:22 GMT -6
Overlord I'm not going to argue over this. I don't want to turn this into a fight. I listened to what you said and considered it. That's what i think and i stick to my opinion.
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Post by roguedragon05 on May 23, 2019 11:26:48 GMT -6
OverlordSome things to remember is that 505 did not make the decision to make the content exclusive and that plans change, by your logic since they "promised" a Wii U version there should be no Switch version and they should be selling a Wii U game in 2019. At the very least your not actually losing anything. Also there are plenty of backers that wanted the content to be available to all, it wasn't solely none backers. While it's silly to think that 505/Artplay won't be happy about the extra money, it's equally silly (to me) to think that this was done to weasel out an extra $32 out of some 20,000+ people. No one tried to rip you off, your money went into make a game that will be out in less then a month.
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Post by Brainiac on May 23, 2019 11:34:31 GMT -6
Saw this among the angry comments on Kickstarter: "Slipcase is inferior to Steel books."
Someone tell Mana she's got a fan who says her art is superior to Ayami Kojima's! If I remember well, there is a backer slipcase at 60 USD and Ayami Kojima slipcase at 100 USD reward. I think they are referring to the first one.
Shhhh, don't ruin it, let Mana bask in the unintentional praise!
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Post by Overlord on May 23, 2019 11:38:35 GMT -6
Overlord Some things to remember is that 505 did not make the decision to make the content exclusive and that plans change, by your logic since they "promised" a Wii U version there should be no Switch version and they should be selling a Wii U game in 2019. At the very least your not actually losing anything. Also there are plenty of backers that wanted the content to be available to all, it wasn't solely none backers. While it's silly to think that 505/Artplay won't be happy about the extra money, it's equally silly (to me) to think that this was done to weasel out an extra $32 out of some 20,000+ people. No one tried to rip you off, your money went into make a game that will be out in less then a month. It doesn't matter who initially decided to advertise the content as exclusive. The fact is that's what it was advertised to be. And the issue here clearly isn't about losing anything, but rather the false advertising. It's all about money; first trying to lure people in with the term "exclusive", and then selling content that they otherwise wouldn't make anymore money from. The Wii U and Vita backers were offered refunds, so you might want to rethink your comparison there.
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Post by roguedragon05 on May 23, 2019 11:48:05 GMT -6
OverlordI stand by my arguments, my point wasn't about refunds my point was that plans change and that we made investments not pre ordered already existing products. Regardless the decisions made so I won't argue the point. I do sincerely regret you feel cheated but I'm glad the content will be available to all and will help increase the success of the game. I've seen alot of hot head on the Kickstarter comments section going on how they are going to tell all their friends not to back the game because the content didn't stay exclusive so I felt I should provide a counter voice.
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Post by Overlord on May 23, 2019 12:02:22 GMT -6
Overlord I stand by my arguments, my point wasn't about refunds my point was that plans change and that we made investments not pre ordered already existing products. Regardless the decisions made so I won't argue the point. I do sincerely regret you feel cheated but I'm glad the content will be available to all and will help increase the success of the game. I've seen alot of hot head on the Kickstarter comments section going on how they are going to tell all their friends not to back the game because the content didn't stay exclusive so I felt I should provide a counter voice. Well, your argument makes no sense then, because "plans change" doesn't tell us anything. If they had said that their plans changed and there would no longer be a Switch version, I'm pretty sure there would be a legion of angry people demanding answers, and that wasn't even part of the Kickstarter. The fact is that they were under no obligation to sell this content, especially since it was advertised as exclusive, but they chose to anyway. False advertising in order to make some extra money they otherwise wouldn't have. No argument is going to change that.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 12:09:48 GMT -6
Yay, more nontroversy surrounding this project...SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH.
Well, I've pre-ordered my copy, so now the wait begins. It's going to be some grueling 25 days of wait but it will be worth it.
In the meantime I'll be sure to stay the eff away from these forums and the KS page because I'm done with all the hissy fits thrown by this community because of literal non-issues.
holic out!
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Post by Yuri Zahard on May 23, 2019 12:10:32 GMT -6
Overlord: Maybe you missed the survey but we (backers) agreed on selling the exclusive staff as DLC by a landslide!
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Post by tav7623 on May 23, 2019 12:14:32 GMT -6
Just saw the update and so far the only thing in there that really disappointed me was the quantity of the Steelbooks being made available to backers cause I bet you more than 800 backers would love to have that steelbook . Also while I am not a fan of the $15 price tag for the steelbook I totally understand why it's that way since this was not included in the original Kickstarter (and thus not guaranteed to backers for free) and it is (more than likely) coming directly out of ArtPlay/505 Games' own pockets where as (and correct me if I'm wrong) the rest of the cases are probably coming out of the retailers own pockets (which is probably why Best Buy has 3000 of them). P.S. Here are a few more things that I'd like to bring up/mention that Question didn't touch on in the update that I feel needs some clarification: 1. As part of the Social Media Meta game during the campaign backers unlocked a goal which would give every backer tier a 8 bit remix track (as well as a PC & Mobile phone wallpaper) so I wondering if this is something that will be included in backer copies or something that will be digitally sent to backers at a later time? 2. Will New Game + mode be available/unlockable at launch? 3. For the backers who are getting a physical (and/or digital) soundtrack will the soundtrack include the 8 bit music from Classic Mode and will backers who got the digital soundtrack get it on day one? 4. Will the Retro style Strategy guide for the $100+ tier backers come with the physical game when it ships next month or will it arrive later along with the physical soundtrack and other physical items/knick knacks? 5. This doesn't really have anything to do with the stretch goals, but I was wondering if the Art Book would be sold separately down the road (with different cover art of course) via Fangamer,etc.?
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Post by Yän on May 23, 2019 12:14:32 GMT -6
I'm not really sure what this whole steel case thing is all about. Seems odd. Why would I pay extra for a different kind of case if I already paid 100 bucks to get a special backer slipcase with Ayami Kojima's art on it? Can someone explain the reasoning here? Angel-Corlux Question ??
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Post by Overlord on May 23, 2019 12:16:05 GMT -6
Overlord : Maybe you missed the survey but we (backers) agreed on selling the exclusive staff as DLC by a landslide! "We" didn't agree to anything. This isn't a hivemind, nor was the survey even limited to backers. And again, landslide or not, this does not change the fact that it's false advertising, which is the issue here.
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Post by Yän on May 23, 2019 12:19:48 GMT -6
tav7623 The "3rd unlockable character" is actually just the 3rd playable character and thus part of the 2 extra characters to be released post launch.
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Post by tav7623 on May 23, 2019 12:22:42 GMT -6
tav7623 The "3rd unlockable character" is actually just the 3rd playable character and thus part of the 2 extra characters to be released post launch. Ah ok lol, for some reason I had it my head that there was gonna be a 3rd extra playable character , anyways thanks for clearing that up for me I went and removed it from my post.
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Post by allooutrick on May 23, 2019 12:27:56 GMT -6
This is all good news to me. Not only is content intended to be kept in, it's quality is an important factor for the team. Furthermore, I view games as works of art, the overwhelming majority of which is given to the public. I'd feel it would be a shame if the public couldn't enjoy or appreciate certain pieces because of exclusivity. Who am I going to geek out with if only a handful of people got to experience this exclusive thing? All my excitement would turn to loneliness as nobody I know would have enjoyed it as well. What then, years later, as our copies are lost or destroyed? All that work put in and even fewer can enjoy or remember it.
So I just want to say, good work to everyone who worked on this game. Those years spent will be much appreciated.
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Post by roguedragon05 on May 23, 2019 12:29:59 GMT -6
I'm not really sure what this whole steel case thing is all about. Seems odd. Why would I pay extra for a different kind of case if I already paid 100 bucks to get a special backer slipcase with Ayami Kojima's art on it? Can someone explain the reasoning here? Angel-Corlux Question ?? Steel books are just tin DVD cases that look snazzy and sexy to alot of people they feel good and durable in a way that plastic dosent, some people like em some don't care.
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Post by Yän on May 23, 2019 12:32:40 GMT -6
roguedragon05 Thanks for the explanation. Count me to the "don't care" category haha
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 23, 2019 12:45:54 GMT -6
Hey all, for anyone who was wondering, the launch/base game also has the retro level
Just not mentioned in marketing etc because there's so much damn stuff
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