Feedback Poll: Should Mac/Linux users be offered refunds?

ssokolow, those are all of course real problems, I have no idea if they are common problems or not.

Isn't it funny how us Linux users were told the entire time "trust us, we're going to get this out on your platform," then when 505 backs out, the Windows backers think we shouldn't get refunds because their trust levels are so low they think a ton of Windows backers will want refunds too?

The level of hypocrisy from both 505 and unaffected backers is just stunning here.

70 - They began development of this game on PC, but sure, I'll give you that point.

71 - No developer is ever guaranteed to find all of the bugs/glitches on their own in the time periods they spend making their games.  The fact that many were discovered by players, in my perspective, should be encouraging.

72 - Wii U backers also got refunds back then. This current platform-drop isn't good news, but they had an understandable reason for it. And if the delay was "indeterminate", we wouldn't even get the year (just "TBD" or "N/A").

73 - GOG is the DRM-free version. I'd say that's good news.

74 - Them being finished with enemy placement for the planned hardest difficulty in the game is a "typical" update to you?

75 - I don't see how getting extra help to fix bugs & speed up asset-creation is somehow a sign they "can't get this done" or a delay. If the project is to be delayed due to WayForward's involvement, they would've announced that already.

What is the point of saying "left out the latest doozy"? The purpose of my initial reply was to point out what was addressed in updates from the six months before that one.

Again, I'm not here to change your opinion on the project. Just noting that it seems you've skimmed right over what was addressed in the past.

browren it's not hypocritical at all. You are failing to understand that if the popular theory is correct (which is the only one that makes sense) it would be highly irresponsible for them to open up refunds when they have no way to limit it to those who deserve it such as yourself. It's simply an obvious decision at that point, and everyone's job is to make sure this project is seen through to the highest level of completion possible.

Bro, with your avatar insult to the devs, and your continuing arguing, I fear you are going to force me to ask you to leave. Please don't make me do that. I want you to stay here, and when the day finally comes I want you playing on wine and being a member of this community. Just take a break for a bit. Sorry, man.

Galamoth it changes things because if it were an email discussion, I would not be here crapping up XombieMike 's board with a fight that ultimately is between me and 505, not him, or you, or any of the other backers. All that's being achieved here is arguments between people who wanted the same thing anyway.

And yes, technically I'm still entitled to a Windows copy of the game, with it being entirely on me to get it to actually work. All it takes is one small bug and I've kickstartered a $60 coaster.

XombieMike, It was never my intent to cause trouble for you, your board, or any of the other fans of this game. I'll be happy to change my profile so it suits you. 505 sent me here and it looks like they're getting exactly what they wanted.

XombieMike, thanks. I understand you, I apologise again for the position you've been put in, and appreciate everything you're trying to do. There is one more thing I can do, It's a long shot, but might as well give it a go.

Question: I am a professional Linux developer (please refer to my LinkedIn account here for details). While my day job is at Canonical (the company that makes and distributes Ubuntu), I am making this offer personally. I know C#, C, several other languages, and am highly familiar with kernel internals and drivers, and would be happy to work on the Linux port of Bloodstained, on my own personal time, for free, and under NDA, with the limitations that I may discuss Linux technical issues doing the port on this board so the other Linux backers know how it's going, and that it is not expected that the Linux release will be simultaneous with Windows, since I am only one person.

I can offer up to 15 hours of work a week, and already have the UE4 source complied and running on Ubuntu. All I'd need is a copy of your most recent Linux build's source files and the minimal game resources so I know I've succeeded, which I may already have via the Steam demo. If you're having build problems or performance problems, I can fix those, shoot you a patch, and get you back on track. To reiterate, I don't want money, nor do I want credit anywhere, I just want the game to work. Consider it a very-after-the-fact backer bump.

I'm not a Mac developer and unfortunately can't be any help there, but maybe you could find someone similar to me in the Apple backers.

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Anyhow, since I'm stuck with a Windows copy regardless, if it doesn't work on WINE and they don't want my help, I certainly have every reason to make it work on Wine. You can bet I'll be doing that.

I wonder how big the castle is. But I will find out the digital way No update can feed me the information I crave, it needs to be played.

Would be great if this could happen. Hopefully some legal BS won't get in the way.

If the Windows version of the game can be run on Linux/Mac, the answer is no.

Well, they need all the money they can get, but yeah, it was intended up front to work natively and when Mac and Linux backers pledged money it was with that understanding.

The only way I'd agree with a "no" vote is because I'm sure refunds are impossible without opening up refunds to all other PC backers as well. That would be very irresponsible of the team and lead to disaster.

To clarify that I indeed think they do deserve a refund I need to clarify why I would agree with "no";

Yes they deserve a refund morally. 100%
No they can't legally get a refund. At this point that sucks, but it's works out because,
No they can't get a refund without opening it to all PC backers which would be a disaster.

The average backer paid over 80 bucks, so think of how many people would be getting a refund and multiply. Then consider the KS fees, tax, etc. All that money would have to be removed from the existing budget, so they would pretty much be forced to stop where they are or greatly reduce development time.

I totally think that if it was possible to refund the money to only the Linux and Mac backers it would have been done. The evidence is that it was done for Vita since 505 has been involved. The difference this time is that when choosing a platform selection, PC backers were only given the options for Steam or GoG. I verified this with one of the Linux backers who said it was understandable because Steam can mean Linux and required no further question to Fangamer about why it wasn't broken out into the various platforms. It wasn't an issue until native support development became a problem, and by then it was too late to re-open platform selections. I haven't seen 505 say that none of this was untrue or deny this theory. It doesn't conflict with anything they said. Although I will always believe these people deserve their money back if they don't want to try it on WINE or some other tool, I do believe that 505 is forced to make this decision, as otherwise it would harm the quality of the final game.