Okay 505, Holiday's over. Time for some answers. (Linux/Mac)

Save your intimidation and threats about proper decorum. I can't edit for the same reason that your argumentum ad baculum fallacy won't work against me, I am posting as guest.

It is not speculation to say that I paid into a kickstarter but my reward will not be delivered. It is also not speculation to say 505 is leveraging assets created during the kickstarter. Finally, it is not speculation when I say 505 does not feel they have any obligation to refund me. So which part am I speculating about again?

You can hold any opinion you want, but at least be intellectually honest about it.

My intellectual honesty demands that I back my opinions by as much incontrovertible evidence as possible. This means I don't throw out baseless descriptions such as "threats" and "fallacy", without having any proper reasoning to demonstrate where it even comes from. It also demands that I don't hurdle a ton of accusations as 505 Games on the simple basis of "I feel bad". Obligations come in many forms, for example, and though you feel one way doesn't mean that reality is another way. Money is not an unlimited supply, and at the end of the day choices do have to be made. The obligation to put out a product at all is much higher than the obligation to put out a product in a fashion that everyone can utilize.

Jph, double posting clutters the forum and is part of our rules. I'm not threatening you, I'm simply performing my responsibility.

Your speculation is that backer dollars are not already used.

Your attitude is not fitting for civil discussion. You have made your points and I don't agree with them. I hope that if you decide to remain here that your criticisms will be constructive. Otherwise it's best you move on.

Happy to move on for now. You're right, my point is made. All you have left is the false "civility" implicit in tacit approval of a kickstarter canceling backer rewards and walking off with backer pledges because you personally weren't affected.

Have a good one.

It's not on you XombieMike .  The emotions caused by this type of cancellation can cloud the judgement, and while I can fly off the handle a bit, I also go back to make sure I haven't jumped the boundry into personal attacks or harassment.  You really have advocated for the backers in this, I saw your suggestion to create a poll on discord to someone who was angry, and I decided to register and create it rather than simmer in anger.  You can't be completely hostile and expect people to just tolerate it on a forum.  Take it to 505 directly if that's your beef.

Exploring that particular opinion about not backing isn't helpful in any way. Hindsight is 20/20, and it's unnecessary to argue against it when at this point they wish they wouldn't have anyway. So let's just ignore that particular opinion. It isn't helpful.

thrashinuva I gambled, and so far it seems like an epic piece of history I am in

Wine is open-source, so people can certainly patch it, and it even offers options, like "winelib", for being bundled with applications. (winelib allows you to compile a WinAPI-based application as a Linux application to remove the need for the /usr/bin/wine EXE loader... though people generally prefer you don't for the same reason we prefer bare ROMs in classics packs so we can run them in an emulator of our choice, rather than having them locked into a custom emulator.)

Heck, GOG.com even released Linux installers for several of the classic old games in their catalogue using bundled copies of Wine and Wine supports being linked as a library so you can compile native Linux executables, which is what Google did for one of their products.

That said, there are two reasons you don't want to do that:

1. The proper way is to contribute the changes to Wine upstream so everyone can benefit from them and make sure they're in a state which meets upstream's standards for being accepted. (Which I'm skeptical they'll put in the effort into.)
   
   They could also pay an experienced Wine porting house like Codeweavers (who employ some of the major contributors to Wine) to write the patches for them, but I also doubt they'd be willing to pay for that. (Codeweavers sells a series of analogues to PlayOnLinux/PlayOnMac like "Crossover Office" which wrap Wine in a convenient GUI and add technical support services. They hired major Wine developers, so Wine is to the Crossover series of products like Fedora Core is to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.)
   
   
2. The community has a lower opinion of you if you if you lock them into an old Wine version which won't be receiving updates for new platform technologies.
   
   (It's not as if Wine is SDL, where, even if they statically link it, SDL initialization has an indrection system which allows end users to request that the statically linked copy load and replace itself with a newer version of SDL as part of calling the Init functions.)
   
   For example, Wine 1.2.x, which I mentioned needing for certain old Windows 3.1 games, doesn't properly support PulseAudio, so I had to do some hacky things to make it work without crackling.
   

The end goal of the Wine project is to support all Windows applications perfectly. The problem is manpower. Unless you count the professional porting houses that 505 is unlikely to pay, the Wine ecosystem has quite limited manpower. (The wine-staging branch has over 800 contributed patches that still need to be cleaned up to meet the standards of the main project, and that's after at least a year of concerted effort by new maintainers to get them cleaned up and upstreamed.)

While they're trying hard not to regress things anymore, the mainline Wine developers do still sometimes have to replace an old hack with a proper implementation of something, which may break applications they don't have a chance to test.

Likewise, as I discovered with Valdis Story: Abyssal City, a game may appear to play perfectly until you get to some point significantly beyond what casual testing reveals, then exhibit problems the first time it does something new.

I think I need to tell you, in case you didn't know already, or remind you, in case you forgot, that XombieMike is not employed by 505, ArtPlay, DICO or anyone involved on this game. He's a fan just like you and me who took it upon himself to build this forum and foster a community around it. In other words he wasn't being "unprofessional" to you because he's not a professional. He's not profiting off of this game at all. I'm sorry this is happening to you but it is what it is. Kickstarter is not a perorder, is more of an investment or donation more than anything else and you're taking a risk, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. I sincerely hope you can get your hands on any other platform to play this game on. Can I recomend you a Switch? Its amazing and unlike a PS4/XB1 its actually the most unique and different from the games PC gamers get.