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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jul 11, 2018 10:12:37 GMT -6
How do, folks.
I just discovered this whole Bloodstained thing days ago and have been digging into it for a bit. At XombieMike's behest, I'm going to repost some observation/speculation I fired off over on Reddit.
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Yes, I'm excited, and moreso as I dug into the lore of the game. My eyes widened a bit when I saw the incorporation of the 72 'demons' of the Ars Goetia from the Lemegeton Clavicula Salomonis. If my eyes widened at that, they practically fell out of my head when it was mentioned that Alfred was seeking the Liber Loagaeth.
I'm a lettered academic on the topic of Western Esotericism and I specialize in the Mediaeval and Renaissance grimoires being discussed here. Heck, I just posted my dissertation over on r/Enochian.
I am not so sure how deeply these folks are delving into what these texts were about, but the Liber Loagaeth was the result of rituals carried out by John Dee and Edward Kelley. Dee was a noted 'millenarianist', or rather taken with the apocalypse and rebirth of the world.
Dee was a master mathematician (among so many other things, truly the paragon of the 'Renaissance Man'), among the most revered of his time The Liber Loagaeth contained 48 pages of 49x49 functionally encoded letters that mask a 'seed' entered into the function, which were the 'names' of or 'keys' to the angels/gates attending each of the 49 'Gates of Wisdom'. Why all the 49's? 7 is a rather sacred number in that within Abrahamic religions, the 7 days of creation is echoed in the days of the week which also correspond to the 7 classical planets. A septenary of septenaries (49) is a celebrated event represented in the Jewish Shemittah and Yovel.
Anyways, the apocalyptic tone of Dee eventually lended an interpretation that 'opening' these 49 Gates (or 50, in Kabbalistic sources) would either provide one with all the knowledge possessed by God and/or bring about the End of Days.
Does Alfred seek to become the God of the New World? This is all reaching for a video game, but it sure is fun to think about.
I'd be happy to discuss this sort of stuff. Who knows? Maybe the dev team will read this and take an interest in adding some touches of depth to their game!
Crossing my fingers at discussion on this one. As one could imagine, not many folks are terribly interested in talking about the intricacies of THE DARK ARTS (cue flash of lightning and thunder). No. I wasn't referring to Politics.
Also, here's a link to my dissertation: www.academia.edu/921740/Enochian_Angel_Magic_From_John_Dee_to_the_Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn
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Post by XombieMike on Jul 11, 2018 10:54:08 GMT -6
I'm so glad you brought this here. I do plan on looking more into the history and enigmatic puzzles that inspired IGA not only in Bloodstained, but in his Castlevania games as well. He really loved his birthday gift, although it was in English. Mana said he wanted to learn English just so he could read it.
Do you happen to know of any Japanese translations of these tomes? Birthday or not, I'd love to get them to IGA. They are obviously important inspirations.
When I can, I will link you to a few existing threads where I think you will like reading. A good number of us here are interested in these theories revolving around the Goetia and alchemy.
As for Alfred, I think his motivations are probably evil. He's responsible for the rituals that summoned the demons according to Johannes in the demo. He certainly wants the book from Gebel, and probably not just to prevent Gebel from using it. He likely wishes to resurrect the guild and continue his place of status in society. The plan to bring fear to the public to show the guild was necessary worked way too well. Of course, with your knowledge about the 49 seals and what the ultimate use of them could mean, this could get way more interesting! Excellent new layer you've added to the lore here.
Oh, and look at the symbols around Miriam's cursed skin. I bet you can decode them.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jul 11, 2018 11:12:09 GMT -6
I wouldn't take my attributions at face value. Even in the community of folks who practice 'Enochian' magic, few have any idea what the heck I'm talking about.
Even in academics, these eras (Mediaeval and Renaissance) are near barren because they're flatly difficult. 'Mannered' (rife with linguistic references relevant in the location and time written) texts, a more-than-passing knowledge of physics, astronomy, biology, willingness to study Kabbalistic writings that feature labyrinthine symbolism (and are also 'mannered'), and linguistic barriers (Mediaeval and Renaissance Latin, German, and French being required). When I stated to a contemporary the essential reading of Agrippa's *De occulta philosophia* to understand this topic, she balked. One of the reason's she ditched the topic.
There are excellent and mind-bogglingly well-read scholars that have contributed, but their writing requires immense context and few have the patience to 'get there'.
I'd love a chance to explicate the profundity and symbolism to the dev team (in as simply applicable terms as possible, it gets verbose), but eyes may glaze over even there. Still would make for some really fun 'hidden gems' in the game that would add layers to it with some hand-holding to get the players that are invested to see it.
I imagine hidden occult concepts peppered throughout a game would definitely garner notoriety.
I do like puzzles! Let me have a look.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 16:01:38 GMT -6
Kelley was also an alchemist (although rumored to had been a fraud) and he was using a strange "red powder", fabled to had been extracted from corpses somehow. Dee was also famous for the Black Mirror; Aztec in origin, made from obsidian. Or so it goes...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 2:05:10 GMT -6
I have some minor practices in Chinese inner Alchemy but it's really just spiritism plus some other stuff. In fact, the entire Chinese Medicine, which is Herbalism based on well constructed Alchemical system with its own Pentagram (metal, wood, earth, water, and fire, though it's less symbolistic than the four practiced by ancient Greek which represent earth as solid, water as liquid, air as gas and fire as plasma) and considered a sub branch of the broader Taoist practice, is heavily employed in both China and Japan (not Taoism itself however). Some myth actually suggest Japan was founded by a group of Chinese sailor seeking immortality pill from some hermits. My ultimate goal is to turn myself into a succubus.
Chinese alchemy has other branches, medicine (green dragon Tao path) aside. Like *inner alchemy* (breathing exercises, chi-kung/nei-kung, "energy" manipulation such as chi-gathering and turning it into jin or feeling shen, meditation, slowly gaining control over your own psychological self -like controlling feelings- and a plethora of other esoteric, body/mind/spirit conditioning theories or practices). Those pursuing "immortality", usually seek the "trongjug", which supposedly isn't accessible to the general public, yet it is thought to have gurus who have achieved it, in a sense... Of course, this is but a mere legend or a fable at best, there is no such thing as real, biological immortality, or any proof of spirit to body travel. If you want to "become succubus", again, there is no such thing. The literal occult approach, would be to seek either Kaula-Yoga (beware of frauds or unqualified teachers), or Tantra (its meaning, dogmas and practices have diminished over time, today it is mostly "fake" and an attempt to rip-off/take advantage of believers, plus it has lost its status/meaning as a religion since eons ago); or even better, the now deceased, Japanese, "Tachikawa Ryu" religion, which combines tantric practices with necromantic rites. Good luck locating sources, especially in English, lol! Especially with Tachikawa Ryu, which suffered something similar to western inquisition, but Japanese-fashion!
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Post by yulia11 on Jul 12, 2018 3:11:44 GMT -6
Kelley was also an alchemist (although rumored to had been a fraud) and he was using a strange "red powder", fabled to had been extracted from corpses somehow. Dee was also famous for the Black Mirror; Aztec in origin, made from obsidian. Or so it goes... I have some minor practices in Chinese inner Alchemy but it's really just spiritism plus some other stuff. In fact, the entire Chinese Medicine, which is Herbalism based on well constructed Alchemical system with its own Pentagram (metal, wood, earth, water, and fire, though it's less symbolistic than the four practiced by ancient Greek which represent earth as solid, water as liquid, air as gas and fire as plasma) and considered a sub branch of the broader Taoist practice, is heavily employed in both China and Japan (not Taoism itself however). Some myth actually suggest Japan was founded by a group of Chinese sailor seeking immortality pill from some hermits. My ultimate goal is to turn myself into a succubus.
Chinese alchemy has other branches too, medicine (green dragon Tao path) aside. Like *inner alchemy* (breathing exercises, chi-kung/nei-kung, "energy" manipulation such as chi-gathering and turning it into jin or feeling shen, meditation, slowly gaining control over your own psychological self -like feelings- and a plethora of other esoteric, body/mind/spirit conditioning theories or practices). Those pursuing "immortality", usually seek the "trongjug yoga", which supposedly isn't accessible to the general public, yet it claims to have gurus who have achieved it, in a sense... Of course, this is a legend or a fable at best, there is no such thing as real, biological immortality, or any proof of spirit to body travel. If you want to "become succubus", again, there is no such thing. The literal occult approach, would be to seek Tantra (its meaning, dogmas and practices have diminished over time, today it is mostly false and attempt to rip-off/take advantage of believers, plus it has lost its status as a religion eons ago), or even better, the now deceased, Japanese, "Tachikawa Ryu" religion, which combines tantric practices with necromantic rites. I have some basic understanding of Biology. About immortality, that was an old myth of a man leading Children on a mythical island that hopefully house the secrets of immortality (which the source of the myth that hermits that knows the secret of Immortality lives on some far away island is untracable, and that could be entirely made up by the man as an excuse to escape the Tyranny). The same men appeared in Japanese Legend and revered as a Saint or God of Agriculture, and the Children that was sent there could have been the ancestor of a good number of Japanese. A bronze sword discovered recently from that era has proven to resistant to rust after 2000 years, and old myth surrounding it involves blood sacrifice. A prophecy that has stayed consistant for over a Melanium (for example it predicted the existence of Europeans, Africans and most importantly Native Americans which at the time are impossible to contact). I am no fan of those Gurus, but my personal experience does imply mysticism is very real. Besides, there are very old texts that I am able to understand to an extent (not that it's unaltered during all these time). The inner Alchemy is not strictly Taoism either, and has quite a lot to do with, at the time still new, Buddhism.
As for succubus, that's really more of an imagary, and the best thing I can do is tear myself apart in the process (and probably die or end up horribly mutated). Letting loose of my regenerative system in attempt to build new structure most likely lead to cancer. (to be fair a horrible mutation can easily lead to this result, poison, radiation, infection) As for necromancy, well China is very deep rooted in ancestral worship, while Japan was always more Thestic, not to mention various more middle eastern influence, some of which before Abrahamic become mainstream, and of various tribala, one of which is growing, if that's the right word, highly poisinous insects to alter the body.
I probably shouldn't have divert the topic here.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jul 12, 2018 7:58:40 GMT -6
Not sure how to respond to those prior posts. Kindly pardon me if I just move on.
So let's correlate the usage of crystals to be 'attuned to demons' as claimed in the smattering of plot I garnered in watching folks play through the demo.
From the Ars Paulina, another book of the Lemegeton:
The crystal acts as the vessel for the daemon the practitioner wishes to communicate with. Fascinatingly, this actually correlates rather directly to absorbing powers of the daemons as well as growing 'corruption' from carrying around such plainly unkind company in your skin.
Just a little addition I thought I'd throw in there.
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Post by yulia11 on Jul 12, 2018 11:40:23 GMT -6
Not sure how to respond to those prior posts. Kindly pardon me if I just move on. So let's correlate the usage of crystals to be 'attuned to demons' as claimed in the smattering of plot I garnered in watching folks play through the demo. From the Ars Paulina, another book of the Lemegeton: The crystal acts as the vessel for the daemon the practitioner wishes to communicate with. Fascinatingly, this actually correlates rather directly to absorbing powers of the daemons as well as growing 'corruption' from carrying around such plainly unkind company in your skin. Just a little addition I thought I'd throw in there. Sorry about the silly diversion up there. Honestly I am not sure if spirits are bound to the crystal or the crystal itself is sentient, though it is almost certain it's the former in the game. Is there any suggestion that if A) a shardbinder is a more in control vessel B) a shardbinder absorbs the daemon C) a shardbinder absorb the crystal which carries some Residue My bet is on A).
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Post by XombieMike on Jul 12, 2018 12:04:36 GMT -6
In the latest demo, Johannes says to Miriam, "The demons power was transmuted into that shard, then forceably bonded to the crystal embedded in your body."
I'll have to go back and get Gebel's quote.
I think the power is transmuted, not that it actually contains the actual demon.
I like the thought of the residue though, as shards like Vepar use her tenticles. As if the demon still remains somewhat intact.
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Post by yulia11 on Jul 12, 2018 12:38:32 GMT -6
In the latest demo, Johannes says to Miriam, "The demons power was transmuted into that shard, then forceably bonded to the crystal embedded in your body." I'll have to go back and get Gebel's quote. I think the power is transmuted, not that it actually contains the actual demon. I like the thought of the residue though, as shards like Vepar use her tenticles. As if the demon still remains somewhat intact. I guess what I am more interested in what exactly happens to the demon afterward cause the exact nature of their physical form is unclear. My guess is some form of substance that demons uses to materialize or animate (are they even projections from crystals, or is their entire body?), which a portion (remember Miriam cannot eat demon soul for breakfast, or can she) of power lingers and the absorption procedure could be a measure of safety. In some mythology, especially many form of Animism, any stone, let alone crystals, can become sentient over time.(Quality Jade are worth millions of dollars in Asia, and their development are similar to celluar reproduction)
Edit: To carify Demons are binded via a specifc mechanism such that with the help of a Shardbinder, they can be controlled in mass quantity.
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Post by XombieMike on Jul 12, 2018 13:01:21 GMT -6
Well, the Ars Paulina reveals a demon cam be in a pleasant and comfy form perfectly in a crystal. However Johannes says the demon's power is transmuted. This may be a simplified answer for Miriam and the player. Some even suspect Johannes is evil, but I don't believe so. I just think the lore of the game here is inspired but not direct. This is evident in how the demons are named from the Ars Goetia, but creative liberty is obvious. Just like the whole gender discussion.
From what we can observe in game so far, it appears the power of the demon is transmuted into a shard form. (Reminds me of Innuyasha) Miriam has been previously embedded with the magnetic like crystals that draw demons to her and also their shards. Once bound to the embedded crystal that power is accessable to Miriam. This apparently can cause the crystals to grow over more of her body. Gebel's body is almost completely covered. The shards can be unbound and sold though, and Dominique warns about not carrying too many. That's what Gebel wants Miriam to do though, as he must think once she strays farther from natural humanity she will see his perspective and join him.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jul 12, 2018 13:02:57 GMT -6
Ah. Forgive me if I skirt a bit past the more verbose concepts in the following.
If it helps, the Corpus Hermeticum that informs more or less the whole of magical, alchemical, and even some theological thought (Hermes Trismegistus of the Corpus is mentioned in the Quran) in the West, the notion is that man is the maker of gods. That every purposed creation is ensouled into the body crafted. A hammer for smithing has its attending intelligence (or Nous), etc. Animism has its parallels, to be sure.
This again meshes with the notion of the crystal being the body of these demons.
The alchemical bit is actually based on this as well. The notion is to degrade the inferior body of lead to be uplifted by the 'implanting' of the noble 'seed'/'spirit' of gold, as is stated in Aristotelian philosophy (that which is consumed becomes part of the consumer; ergo the lead is 'consumed' and then given the spirit or 'form' of gold to uplift the 'matter').
To state that a crystal has been 'imbued' with a soul via alchemy is a stretch considering the methods of the practice, but not by the underlying philosophy.
EDIT/ADDENDUM: Even as I say that, I realize that the literally living ink used on parchments (it actually *eats* its way into the parchment) used to craft grimoires (see 'iron gall ink') indeed involves the formation of crystals. Too much in my brain, but fun to put it to use this way.
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Post by XombieMike on Jul 12, 2018 13:31:20 GMT -6
Ooo, I like the sound of that. Selling shards must be part of the opposite process somehow. Of course, it's a game mechanic more than anything, bit can you wrap the mechanic of selling shards in real world lore? Once the ink has crystallized, there is no removing it and leaving behind the paper that was consumed.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jul 12, 2018 13:35:31 GMT -6
Well, the Ars Paulina reveals a demon cam be in a pleasant and comfy form perfectly in a crystal. However Johannes says the demon's power is transmuted. This may be a simplified answer for Miriam and the player. Some even suspect Johannes is evil, but I don't believe so. I just think the lore of the game here is inspired but not direct. This is evident in how the demons are named from the Ars Goetia, but creative liberty is obvious. Just like the whole gender discussion. From what we can observe in game so far, it appears the power of the demon is transmuted into a shard form. (Reminds me of Innuyasha) Miriam has been previously embedded with the magnetic like crystals that draw demons to her and also their shards. Once bound to the embedded crystal that power is accessable to Miriam. This apparently can cause the crystals to grow over more of her body. Gebel's body is almost completely covered. The shards can be unbound and sold though, and Dominique warns about not carrying too many. That's what Gebel wants Miriam to do though, as he must think once she strays farther from natural humanity she will see his perspective and join him. Oh, of course there are creative liberties taken. I just take immense joy in seeing how much of it can stick. I imagine most would be surprised at the results! In practice, as in Dee's case, the angels (or demons, as Kelley waxed apoplectic in fear of) he communicated with said he was fine in waiving the well-noted and laboriously catalogued astrological timing required to contact such entities (as in the Ars Goetia, though even a bit shorthand there). He did however, include a table not terribly far off from that detailed in the Ars Almadel (also in the Lemegeton).
All this stuff is far more flexible and indeed a very uniquely connected corpus than most current, well-followed practitioners would have it.
I became best friends with the former Archivist, Khem Caigan (also, coincidentally, the artist of the Simon Necronomicon and owner of the Harry Everett Smith Memorial Library, an astounding collection of esoteric and related texts) at Joe Peterson's Esoteric Archives (www.esotericarchives.com) while I was working on my Master's. It proved indispensable. He would expound on the historical and linguistic continuity of various editions of the grimoires to show the diverse background 'Solomonic' magical writings drew their information from.
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Post by yulia11 on Jul 12, 2018 14:50:19 GMT -6
Well, the Ars Paulina reveals a demon cam be in a pleasant and comfy form perfectly in a crystal. However Johannes says the demon's power is transmuted. This may be a simplified answer for Miriam and the player. Some even suspect Johannes is evil, but I don't believe so. I just think the lore of the game here is inspired but not direct. This is evident in how the demons are named from the Ars Goetia, but creative liberty is obvious. Just like the whole gender discussion. From what we can observe in game so far, it appears the power of the demon is transmuted into a shard form. (Reminds me of Innuyasha) Miriam has been previously embedded with the magnetic like crystals that draw demons to her and also their shards. Once bound to the embedded crystal that power is accessable to Miriam. This apparently can cause the crystals to grow over more of her body. Gebel's body is almost completely covered. The shards can be unbound and sold though, and Dominique warns about not carrying too many. That's what Gebel wants Miriam to do though, as he must think once she strays farther from natural humanity she will see his perspective and join him. Oh, of course there are creative liberties taken. I just take immense joy in seeing how much of it can stick. I imagine most would be surprised at the results! In practice, as in Dee's case, the angels (or demons, as Kelley waxed apoplectic in fear of) he communicated with said he was fine in waiving the well-noted and laboriously catalogued astrological timing required to contact such entities (as in the Ars Goetia, though even a bit shorthand there). He did however, include a table not terribly far off from that detailed in the Ars Almadel (also in the Lemegeton).
All this stuff is far more flexible and indeed a very uniquely connected corpus than most current, well-followed practitioners would have it.
I became best friends with the former Archivist, Khem Caigan (also, coincidentally, the artist of the Simon Necronomicon and owner of the Harry Everett Smith Memorial Library, an astounding collection of esoteric and related texts) at Joe Peterson's Esoteric Archives (www.esotericarchives.com) while I was working on my Master's. It proved indispensable. He would expound on the historical and linguistic continuity of various editions of the grimoires to show the diverse background 'Solomonic' magical writings drew their information from.
Has there been any well proposed model of the structure of spirits. How do they affect our world per say? They are clearly intangible so I cannot imagine them being anything electrical, but at other times they seem to be capable inducing microscropic movements. Besides tunneling, there are no ways to prevent interference (not to mention possession gives a feeling of something is inside. Further, the exact nature of tunneling is largely unknown and no experiments has been conducted on animals before), so intangiblity is somewhat out of the picture. One interesting idea is Virtual particles, which if we expand to complex spacetime allow for some sweet equality and the possibility for it to presist beyond its appearance and lack there of, though the two conservations could be hard to explain, which I imagine would be similar to a Counchy-Raimen equation. The good thing is that physics in its current state is still contained inside applied math instead of the terrors of pure math.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jul 12, 2018 14:52:57 GMT -6
Ooo, I like the sound of that. Selling shards must be part of the opposite process somehow. Of course, it's a game mechanic more than anything, bit can you wrap the mechanic of selling shards in real world lore? Once the ink has crystallized, there is no removing it and leaving behind the paper that was consumed. That was just a wee example. A better example is found in chlorophanes, or Ye Ming Zhu. Some crystals act as piezo-electric transducers that fluoresce and fetch terribly high prices (real glowing rocks!).
This same effect can be achieved by simply setting a quartz crystal ball on gold foil set into a wax seal (such as Dee's Sigillum Dei, for example...).
Really, the physics of a ritual space according to Western esoteric practice is terribly radioactive. There are fine articles on how low-energy solid state masers can be created from beeswax, which is a noted electret, or a material that perpetually maintains an electric charge; think of a perfumed candle used in rituals. Interestingly, extremely low frequency electromagnetic radiation has been shown to stimulate the pineal gland which may go a ways to explaining the hallucinatory state under which one could converse with daemons.
I digress.
As far as the ink is concerned, you can indeed purchase ink crystals for the making of various inks in this day and age (ferrous sulfate for iron gall). The electroconductive nature of such inks is actually noted such as in the bit of 'quackery' called the Hieronymus Machine, which is certainly worth a Google and a read.
I went far afield on this one, but there you are.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jul 12, 2018 15:05:55 GMT -6
Has there been any well proposed model of the structure of spirits. How do they affect our world per say? They are clearly intangible so I cannot imagine them being anything electrical, (which ironically means they cannot interact with light, instead of being harmed by it), but at other times they seem to be capable inducing microscropic movements(are they able to manipulate gravity, which in some context literally means spacetime which light don't exiperience except it does, both because we do, and in the context of general relativity cause gravity can affect the speed of light which is otherwise constant, which the law of special relativity does not hold given an accelerating observer. I don't have much else to add cause I don't know how to write wave equations yet in context of quantum mechanics). Besides tunneling, there are no ways to prevent interference. One interesting idea is Virtual particles which given that the conservation of momentum and energy holds, new particles can appear out of the nothing to cause a particle to transition to equal potential positions and then vanishes, during a incredibly short time period. This allow it to have similar structure to us in Complex spacetime for virtual particles to not simply exist and de-exist on unpredictable principles.(4 complex dimensions. In mathmatical context, 3d space, 3d imaginary space, and complex time are to be treated differently. But some notable equalities must hold, such that momentum must stay consistant as a 4c vector across real space-real time v1, imaginary space imaginary time v2 = v1 or v2 = - v1, real space imaginary time v3 and imaginary space complex time v4 = -v3 or v4 = v3, though I think v1 = v2 and v3 = -v4 is likely true. Too bad I haven't taken advanced complex analysis). The good thing is that physics in its current state is still contained inside applied math instead of the terrors of pure math.
Hmmm. This is something I've given quite a lot of thought and reading to.
Suffice it to say that no, there is no proof of any such thing as spirits which can be verified as true under any scientific auspices. There are, however, facts observed that cannot lend to anything but an 'inconclusive' result due to the fact that an 'experiencer' is required. Since this hinges on 'state of mind' due to the frankly hallucinatory mental states such folks experience visionary experiences under, it cannot be duplicated under controlled circumstances.
That said, you're overthinking it.
This is a lengthy topic for something completely unverifiable. I'm going to shortcut it to keep it to the topic at hand, which is a super fun game with some really neat stuff about magic and alchemy referenced.
Let's look at it within the physicality of what inhabits a crystal that also stimulates the brain, as I alluded to in my last post. Other than of course the molecular components, we have radiation. There are fine articles on ELF EM radiation and its effect on the brain, and making a massive leap that I can cite a dearth of sources on that go nowhere towards making this a comfortable topic, it would seem that daemons/spirits as radioactive entities makes the most 'sense'. If any at all.
Back of the hand bibliography?
Hansen's *The Trickster and the Paranormal*
Hufford's *Terror That Comes in the Night*
Puharich's *Beyond Telepathy*
Roney-Dougal's *Where Science and Magic Meet*
Ullman, Krippner, et al.'s *Dream Telepathy* (this was the inspiration for the movie *Inception*)
Hans Berger's reasoning for creating the EEG machine
Lonetree's research on brain entrainment
Persinger's *Tectonic Strain Theory*
There you are.
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Post by XombieMike on Jul 12, 2018 15:35:13 GMT -6
Heh, you focused on my metaphor instead of my question. Sorry I wasn't more clear.
Can you hypothesize on how Miriam can unbind and sell shards?
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Jul 12, 2018 15:38:38 GMT -6
Whoops!
My hypothesis is 'because the game said so'. I mean, if we take that too far, she could just, y'know, sell off her entire curse. Existential crisis SOLVED and a tidy profit to boot!
Otherwise, something sharp, antiseptic, towels, a belt, and some cheap whiskey.
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Post by yulia11 on Jul 12, 2018 15:46:31 GMT -6
Ooo, I like the sound of that. Selling shards must be part of the opposite process somehow. Of course, it's a game mechanic more than anything, bit can you wrap the mechanic of selling shards in real world lore? Once the ink has crystallized, there is no removing it and leaving behind the paper that was consumed. That was just a wee example. A better example is found in chlorophanes, or Ye Ming Zhu. Some crystals act as piezo-electric transducers that fluoresce and fetch terribly high prices (real glowing rocks!).
This same effect can be achieved by simply setting a quartz crystal ball on gold foil set into a wax seal (such as Dee's Sigillum Dei, for example...).
Really, the physics of a ritual space according to Western esoteric practice is terribly radioactive. There are fine articles on how low-energy solid state masers can be created from beeswax, which is a noted electret, or a material that perpetually maintains an electric charge; think of a perfumed candle used in rituals. Interestingly, extremely low frequency electromagnetic radiation has been shown to stimulate the pineal gland which may go a ways to explaining the hallucinatory state under which one could converse with daemons.
I digress.
As far as the ink is concerned, you can indeed purchase ink crystals for the making of various inks in this day and age (ferrous sulfate for iron gall). The electroconductive nature of such inks is actually noted such as in the bit of 'quackery' called the Hieronymus Machine, which is certainly worth a Google and a read.
I went far afield on this one, but there you are.
Has there been any well proposed model of the structure of spirits. How do they affect our world per say? They are clearly intangible so I cannot imagine them being anything electrical, (which ironically means they cannot interact with light, instead of being harmed by it), but at other times they seem to be capable inducing microscropic movements(are they able to manipulate gravity, which in some context literally means spacetime which light don't exiperience except it does, both because we do, and in the context of general relativity cause gravity can affect the speed of light which is otherwise constant, which the law of special relativity does not hold given an accelerating observer. I don't have much else to add cause I don't know how to write wave equations yet in context of quantum mechanics). Besides tunneling, there are no ways to prevent interference. One interesting idea is Virtual particles which given that the conservation of momentum and energy holds, new particles can appear out of the nothing to cause a particle to transition to equal potential positions and then vanishes, during a incredibly short time period. This allow it to have similar structure to us in Complex spacetime for virtual particles to not simply exist and de-exist on unpredictable principles.(4 complex dimensions. In mathmatical context, 3d space, 3d imaginary space, and complex time are to be treated differently. But some notable equalities must hold, such that momentum must stay consistant as a 4c vector across real space-real time v1, imaginary space imaginary time v2 = v1 or v2 = - v1, real space imaginary time v3 and imaginary space complex time v4 = -v3 or v4 = v3, though I think v1 = v2 and v3 = -v4 is likely true. Too bad I haven't taken advanced complex analysis). The good thing is that physics in its current state is still contained inside applied math instead of the terrors of pure math.
Hmmm. This is something I've given quite a lot of thought and reading to.
Suffice it to say that no, there is no proof of any such thing as spirits which can be verified as true under any scientific auspices. There are, however, facts observed that cannot lend to anything but an 'inconclusive' result due to the fact that an 'experiencer' is required. Since this hinges on 'state of mind' due to the frankly hallucinatory mental states such folks experience visionary experiences under, it cannot be duplicated under controlled circumstances.
That said, you're overthinking it.
This is a lengthy topic for something completely unverifiable. I'm going to shortcut it to keep it to the topic at hand, which is a super fun game with some really neat stuff about magic and alchemy referenced.
Let's look at it within the physicality of what inhabits a crystal that also stimulates the brain, as I alluded to in my last post. Other than of course the molecular components, we have radiation. There are fine articles on ELF EM radiation and its effect on the brain, and making a massive leap that I can cite a dearth of sources on that go nowhere towards making this a comfortable topic, it would seem that daemons/spirits as radioactive entities makes the most 'sense'. If any at all.
Back of the hand bibliography?
Hansen's *The Trickster and the Paranormal*
Hufford's *Terror That Comes in the Night*
Puharich's *Beyond Telepathy*
Roney-Dougal's *Where Science and Magic Meet*
Ullman, Krippner, et al.'s *Dream Telepathy* (this was the inspiration for the movie *Inception*)
Hans Berger's reasoning for creating the EEG machine
Lonetree's research on brain entrainment
Persinger's *Tectonic Strain Theory*
There you are.
The only way to convince the population that mysticism actually exist is via mathmatics, enough to the point of applicable to engineering, though experiement are seemingly more on disproving them via biological interaction. Enchanting could have dramatic application on enginnering, such as an energy source (or at least a battery), via heat or electricity, materials that can tolerate the stress of high energy physics experiments, ice that can survive with above zero tempreture at regular pressure, solid with the elasticity of rubber bands, the hardness of diamonds, heat capacity of water and ability to sustain under high tempreture(all of which are reasonable goals via nanotech). Thermaldynamics can be completely flipped over if you can defy the second law of thermal dynamics (which, for example, suggest heat flows from hot to cold), which means everything from Chemistry and all the way down are null and void.
On the other hand, what exactly is Alchemy? Is Mysticism really to be a subset of Alchemy instead of the other way around?
I have had visions that perfectly reflect a situation two years later including identical words in a dialogue with people I couldn't have known, done divining that has completely defy probability, seen little predictions came true and have friends that successful retrive personal info from dead ancestors, and most importantly has had unfriendly spirits invading my home after some failed witchcraft on multiple occasions.
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