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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 1:41:40 GMT -6
Even at a later date? That would not be too hard to pull of, is it? I mean, there is the GOG-Connect service already (you happen to own an established game at Steam, which is a new release at GOG; if you link accounts, you get a free GOG copy of it)... All it needs, is a small talk with GOG staff, right?
Your efforts to open up to DRM-Free audience, are admirable, plus very much appreciated and some of us participated, hoping to get all of our Bloodstained goodies together, bundled, on GOG. There are people who hate Valve, as much as forced clients and even boycott Steam. Or those who need to have all their games, under one library, not spread across 3-4 different services (steam, gog, origin, uplay, etc).
Question is short and simple, really... Is there even a chance, for Inti Creates to consider releasing Curse of the moon, in GOG? Or Inti Creates is adamant about never contacting GOG, for a release there?
Finally and i really hate having to ask about this... Even as a last resort option... What are the criteria and the deadline, for requesting a refund?
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Post by Monomona on May 16, 2018 6:46:55 GMT -6
So Why isn't the spin-off game on GOG. I have the main game on GOG because I wanted it DRM free but why isn't the spin-off? I'd really like them on the same platform and it kind of sucks that they aren't. I don't know if it was a problem with publishing but if it can't be put on GOG now maybe it can go on GOG connect.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 16, 2018 7:34:00 GMT -6
Now that we have a separate thread just for this, I'll repost this so everyone is clear on what happened. GoG was there on the survey before @ikai yes, I got the email about it myself that it was not going to be available. It was just a misunderstanding internally that got it there. Here's what Angel said about it During the campaign, the mini-game was just listed as "PC" for the platform. It'll have to be a request to Inti Creates for new versions of it, like GoG/physical etc.
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Post by Waifu4Life on May 16, 2018 7:39:59 GMT -6
As long as it's DRM-Free, it doesn't matter, the issue is just to avoid having a Steam version or any other version that requires a client.
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Post by Brainiac on May 16, 2018 7:40:46 GMT -6
I've emailed both GOG and Inti on this matter (and others in the case of Inti). I'll let everyone know what answers (if any) I get.
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Post by XombieMike on May 16, 2018 8:13:01 GMT -6
It's not a prequel so I'm renaming this thread.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 16, 2018 8:27:56 GMT -6
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Post by Brainiac on May 16, 2018 9:16:45 GMT -6
Hmmm. I might try to get someone to ask my email questions during the stream (I may not be able to watch if it's a long run that late for my time zone).
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Post by roguedragon05 on May 16, 2018 10:17:35 GMT -6
@ikai
So far as I know (and I'm by no means an expert) you could ask for a refund but I don't think that you will get your money back. That money wasn't profit money it was spent on development it might make a difference on if you paid through Kickstarter or Fangamer/PayPal but either way you invested in a project and if your unhappy with the end results that not something that anyone's really accountable for in the end. You'd have to contact whomever you paid through for more info.
Now having said that there are other options (a console copy perhaps or even making an exception to no steam games) even if it's not all on the same system it's better to have it then not, I hope you find at least one of these is acceptable to you but I doubt that a GOG option will exist before deadline after the 18th.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 10:35:30 GMT -6
@ikai So far as I know (and I'm by no means an expert) you could ask for a refund but I don't think that you will get your money back. That money wasn't profit money it was spent on development it might make a difference on if you paid through Kickstarter or Fangamer/PayPal but either way you invested in a project and if your unhappy with the end results that not something that anyone's really accountable for in the end. You'd have to contact whomever you paid through though for more info. Now having said that there are other options (a console copy perhaps or even making an exception to no steam games) even if it's not all on the same system it's better to have it then not, I hope you find at least one of these is acceptable to you but I doubt that a GOG option will exist before deadline after the 18th. I am with you. I love Iga's work (from way back), i love the outcome so far (on this one), i NEED this set in my collection (that is why i backed)... It's just that Steam is against my principles as a buyer and as a gamer. I DON'T (really) want a refund... The only thing i truly want, is for the minigame, to be offered at the same place, along with main game. The only thing that would be awesome if it could be done, is for Inti to contact GOG staff and agree on a partnership! Especially if the game IS DRM-Free already, then all the more reason, to let the primary DRM-Free service, distribute it too! Even at a much later date, that would do! Lots of people want it and a petition has already been started, there! That and retro games' absence from Good Old Games, is a real potential-waste; it's not only about DRM Free, it is also about Good Old Games (exactly like that one)!
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Post by roguedragon05 on May 16, 2018 10:53:20 GMT -6
@ikai
Hey a shot them off an Email myself hope it works out.
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Post by Scars Unseen on May 16, 2018 10:57:26 GMT -6
As long as it's DRM-Free, it doesn't matter, the issue is just to avoid having a Steam version or any other version that requires a client. There are DRM free games on Steam as well. Steam itself is basically a library/download manager. At the point that you begin downloading a game, nothing has happened from an authentication standpoint that doesn't also happen when you download a game from GOG. You login, and download. It's what happens next that makes a game DRM free or not. If you could take that download, repackage it(such as by compressing it into an archive), take it to a completely different system, unpack it and play it, then it's DRM free. To my knowledge, Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition is an example of this(though you'd also need to archive the folder created in the documents folder). On the other hand, if you have to have Steam running to start the game - even if it's only the first time - then the game has DRM. Valve doesn't force DRM on its platform; it's entirely up to the publisher/developer. Of course, I'd rather have GOG any day. It's more convenient, as you can get a self contained installer instead of having to basically make one yourself, plus GOG tends to provide better supplementary material for older games like manuals, not that that's really relevant here. But a game being on Steam doesn't mean it has DRM.
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Post by freddythemonkey on May 16, 2018 11:50:26 GMT -6
It's worth noting that sometimes GOG can be very strict with what gets in their store or doesn't. Inti is no emergent indie dev, though, so I wouldn't think they're opposed to the idea of having the game in the store.
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Post by Brainiac on May 16, 2018 11:53:55 GMT -6
Correct me if I'm wrong, Scars Unseen , but the Steam client is necessary for the downloads, correct? That would be the biggest difference; GOG does not require its Galaxy client (and other storefronts like Humble and Itch.io lack clients at all, to my knowledge).
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Post by XombieMike on May 16, 2018 11:58:32 GMT -6
Normally the forum is the place to make your voice heard on matters that are important to you so that the team can listen to your feedback. Unfortunately, that is not the case with IntiCreates. Tonight there will be a stream on Twitch where you can ask them questions. Use that, not this.
IntiCreates has self developed and self published CotM.
Let's not talk about half hearted refunds just to make a point. That's not necessary to be heard, and considering it's a stretch goal mini game, let's not lose sight of why we put our faith in IGA in the first place.
If you are limited to PC and don't want to install Steam, I understand. I strongly encourage you to let IntiCreates know. This is not the place for that, however. I hope I'm being helpful in directing your next move on this important topic.
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Post by Squirrel Taskmaster on May 16, 2018 20:01:21 GMT -6
GOG tends to be very glacial in adoption of new titles and OKing patches, so I wouldn't expect much quickly. Though don't get me wrong, I'll still take that over the alternative.
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Post by Scars Unseen on May 17, 2018 3:06:54 GMT -6
Brainiac No, you're definitely right about that. The Steam client is required to download games. But a download manager is not DRM, and while there's certainly an argument to be made against a mandatory download manager, that's not the same argument as being against DRM. The arguments against DRM are based on two fundamental points. The first is from a user perspective, that requiring the user to "phone home" or otherwise go through hoops to play a game creates an inherently worse user experience to no gain for the user and possibly to negative effect in the event that the user does not have access to the Internet at all times. Steam as a download manager has no bearing on this complaint because - assuming no actual DRM is in place - you are no less able to obtain and play your game wherever you are than without a download manager. You need the Internet to download the game, but at no other time(for a single player game, anyway). The second argument is from a game preservation standpoint. DRM is almost guaranteed to become un-navigable at some point due either to servers going offline or OS incompatibility. At that point, cracking the game becomes the only way to access the content of the game, and due to the illegality of this, game preservation efforts are unnaturally hampered by DRM. This again has nothing to due with Steam itself, as the resulting download from a Steam purchase is not encrypted or otherwise protected against copying and use save for by intention on the publisher's part. It's less convenient to preserve than a GOG installer, but again, that's not a DRM issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 3:18:37 GMT -6
To answer my own question, thanks to Mike's feedback:
No GOG for this one, not even at a later date.
This thread is now, completely pointless. Lock, bin, whatever. A sad day for Good Old Gamers, alas.
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Post by Scars Unseen on May 17, 2018 3:28:19 GMT -6
@ikai Disappointing, but not particularly surprising considering that this is a side project. Still, just because they're saying no now doesn't mean that might not change in the future, it just means they have no current plans to change it in the future. There have been a number of games that started out as Steam exclusive on PC only to get a GOG release some years later. Time will tell on this one, but it's best to treat that as some possible future pleasant surprise and put it out of mind for now.
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Post by Brainiac on May 17, 2018 7:03:55 GMT -6
From what answers I got during the stream, GOG partnership isn't happening (and despite assurances on Fangamer's end, the Inti guys specifically said DRM-free isn't happening, so people might want to double check about that and make sure there's NO RESTRICTION on the Steam version), an OST release is unplanned (much like DLC), and they said each version is more or less equivalent, so I wouldn't expect 3D functionality on the 3DS (though dual-screen function might simply be allowing active access to what's a pause menu for other versions; it was unclear if the second screen would be unused). The only question I didn't hear even a partial answer for was whether or not cross-buy will be a thing.
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