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Post by Pure Miriam on Apr 20, 2018 2:30:58 GMT -6
Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night's kickstarter had a new update, (see the update HERE, and the thread about it HERE), regarding a extensive survey the dev team is doing to improve their communication and receive feedback about several important matters. Alongside mandatory and basic questions, some questions there shows some kind of really interesting information. They warned us that the survey doesn't necessarily means that everything there will show up in the game. But who knows, right? Considering that, although there were other interesting options, the main ones would be regading game's content. So, here comes my traditional thread of questions about updates, this one, greatly tuned thanks to the survey itself.
Hey guys, keep in mind that if you would prefer to keep your answers confidential, giving answers here (especially to #15) will pretty much make it obvious who was who if you are worried about that. Just wanted to mention it, no one is going to maliciously use your data or something!(thanks purifyweirdshard for that warning) I also add that you don't need to answer anything you wouldn't like to!
The Dev team proposed / suggested alternative outfits. The options were Valkyrie (Armored), Angel, Demon, Succubus (provocative), Vampire (Elegant), Nun, Maid, Corrupted (fully overtaken by the curse), Bikini / Beachwear, Outfits to match existing accessory sets and Other. The questions below are regarding that. Lightning (Final Fantasy 13-2) as a Armored ValkyrieRegarding Valkyrie (Armored) option. The "armored" there means that it isn't a "sexy" Valkyrie, but a full armored one. Would you like to see a version of such outfit, that is more sexy and provocative than warrior-like?
 Shanoa with Volaticus GlyphRegarding Angel and Demon options. If miriam had such outfits, would you like if they somehow altered some powers, visually speaking? Like, if Miriam had the ability to fly by creating wings (such as Volaticus Glyph on Order of Ecclesia) she could have default black wings, but angel wings wearing Angel outfit and demonic wings wearing Demon outfit. Keep in mind that, game development requires resources (both money and time) and do something like that would require more programming and resources.
Shanoa's werebat form in Order of Ecclesia. Completely naked.
3) Regarding Succubus (provocative) option. How much "provocative" would you like such outfit to be? Like Symphony of the Night's Succubus or going steps further, maybe such as Werebat form from Order of Ecclesia (that is basically naked, maybe Miriam would have strategically placed long hair, wings or legs and cam position to hide spots).
4) Regarding Vampire (Elegant) option. How would you like to see that? As a "modest" form of Succubus? Maybe a long elegant dress like Carmilla from older games? Or maybe a female version of Alucard's attire?
5) Regarding Nun and Maid options. Such options are blatantly based on kinks and fetishes. Would you like, if such outfits existed, to follow the traditional kink role (short skirts, garterbelt, pantyhose, cleavage) or to go a step into the modesty zone and actually use real-life versions of such clothes?
6) Regarding Corrupted (fully overtaken by the curse) option. Do you believe such option means that we will not have a corrupted version of Miriam to play with? That will not happen at the game's plot? Or the option being there is a way for the dev team to actually DODGE such speculations?
 Dead or Alive 5 bikini
7) Regarding Bikini / Beachwear option. As stated above, such option is clearly a kink / fetish option and this one would be even harder to conceal as something else. If such outfit existed in game, would you prefer it to be something clearly risky (such as Dead or Alive 5 bikinis), something not so risky but quite taboo (such as japanese schoolgirl swimsuit) or something classic and elegant (such as old swimsuits, that looked like full body suits)?
8) Regarding Outfits to match existing accessory sets option. The game has shown quite a lot of outfits already, such as Bunny ears/stockings, Maid Headress, Elven Ears, Spiked Hair, Sunglasses, Panama / cowboy Hat and Santa Hat. Considering such accessories, would you like to see some of them having outfits to match them? Choose some.
9) Regarding "Other" option. Did you picked up such options? What have you offered as suggestion for outfits?
One of the questions is regarding DLC content. The options where Cosmetics / skins etc, More playable characters, Full story content expansions, Full multiplayer & co-op for existing game, Mod support / Castle editor and Other. The questions below are regarding that.
 Bunny accessories Regarding Cosmetics / skins options. Almost every game nowadays, offers such option as DLC, because many players consider them to be something not mandatory for a game. Even so, there had some criticism in the past about the overload of cosmetics DLC (Dead or Alive 5 Last Round, being a good example, all DLCs of the game, if bought separately, costs more than the game itself). What are your thoughts regarding that?
Zangetsu 11) Regarding More playable characters option. Most speculation about Bloodstained's three playable characters revolve around Miriam (mandatory), Zangetsu and Dominique. Let's assume for a second they will really be the game's default playable characters. If the game ends up having a playable character as DLC, who would you choose to be? (excluding Miriam, Zangetsu and Dominique).
12) Regarding Full story content expansions option. This is, by far, one of the most infamous and unpopular options in gaming DLCs. Many players consider that expanding a game's plot through DLC is a cheap way of money farming. But some players see it as a great way to expand a game's content and keep it alive. What are your thoughts about this?
13) Regarding Full multiplayer & co-op for existing game option. What do you think this option really means? Putting multiplayer and co-op options from the stretch goals as DLC, or expanding such content by DLC?
14) Regarding Mod support / Castle editor option. Although many players would surely love that, by offering official mod support and / or castle editor options, there is a chance that this could actually hinder such possibilities, since official tools can be more limited than the freedom of "breaking and entering" inside a game's content. A good example of this is DOOM 2016 "snap map" editor, that, although fun, many players considered really restrictive. What are your thoughts over this?
15) Regarding Other option. Did you picked up such options? What have you offered as suggestion for DLCs?
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Post by ghaleon on Apr 20, 2018 2:56:04 GMT -6
big post. but honestly I have no interest in outfit specifics. in this day in age, when games like skyrim have proved their value 10 times fold based exclusively on mod supoort, when unreal engine is a public SDK, I would find it almost unacceptable to have limited outfits without letting people make th eir own. why in hells n ame would you NOT let people do so. has it EVER been a bad move to do so? I can't think of one example, and I've been modding games long before many people knew what a mod was, think doom 1 days.
Unfortunately, while I love Japanese games in many ways over their western counterparts. modding support is something they rarely have interest over. I truly hope bloodstained sets a precedent, and I think it will be rewarded if it does so.
And if someone goes nyah nyah, metroidvanias aren't the right genre for modding...I'm going to hit my desk... again... after I did just now thinking about such an inane comment. The whole benefit of modding is to provide potential players/customers with things that they wanted that the developers never even thought of, in addition to having the time of implimenting... generally it's the former though.
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Post by sylver on Apr 20, 2018 5:10:51 GMT -6
As I mentioned a long time ago in an another Thread, the only cosplay MY Miriam needs, is the Dress from Shanoa (Order of Ecclessia) this would make me absolutely happy.. but I will go on with Succubus (SotN style) and Vampire (the elegant style) as well.
The Question for DLC, i totaly refuse to buy extra stuff. I like my games complete on Day ONE.. but I have nothing against High-Q stuff like Blood & Wine or Heart of Stone if you understand me.
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Post by Elfina Ashfield on Apr 20, 2018 7:32:28 GMT -6
1. DSLevantine We're on the same page. An armored Valkyrie is a sexy Valkyrie, also check out Gwendolyn from Odin Sphere (I don't know but I'm referring her at least 3 times IIRC). EDIT: Oh by "sexy" I mean attractive, not really in an actual sexual way but attractive. 2. Detailed designs are always welcomed, just keep them under the budget lol. I think IGA would handle this well. 3. Wow, I didn't know Werebat transformation from OoE will make Shanoa naked, I thought she's wearing a latex bodysuit or something. Succubus from SoTN would be enough for me, but you might want to cover the breasts. See Morrigan from Darkstalkers. 4. The female version of Alucard. That would be darn awesome. 5. I'd really really love to see a full-blown Victorian style maid costume instead of the French style (you know, those ones with super mini skirts and sling stockings...) in the game. Or even funnier, make Miriam throw plates and use mops to attack lol. Nuns I don't have much idea but Dominique is a good enough reference. 6. I didn't think this much TBH lol, but at this point, anything is possible I guess (a.k.a I have no idea  7. Bikini and beachwear are way way WAY out of settings here, I'd be glad if they decided to leave them out. We are not DoA lol. Alucard didn't get his beach pants anyway.8. Maid headdress definitely goes to maid costume, that's all I know about. 9. Nope. 10. Cosmetic DLCs are a pain to collect and there are way too many of them than we need. I'd rather have a big DLC pack with lots of contents, even it has a higher price tag, like, say $20. 11. Maybe Alfred...? 12. It all depends on the quality of DLC. I won't call DLCs of BoTW or Afterbirth DLC for BoI "money farming" in any aspect. 13. "The buddy system" from BoI is a good example of co-op I think. Player 2 will be spawned as a familiar to Player 1 borrowing P1's HP and stats, P2 can move and around and attack etc. etc. Imagine Miriam has a familiar like swordmaster or goofball or flower fairy (I still love you), and P2 can control the familiar to do different tasks, that'd be cool. 14. That's a good question, but I do think even if the official mod tool is limited (just like "snap map" in DOOM), at least it would provide a more friendly way for people who want to expand the game, which is always a good thing. 15. Nope. |
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Post by chronogeran on Apr 20, 2018 8:30:26 GMT -6
I probably have the unpopular opinion, but I'd like to see as little provocative/sexy content as possible. I don't want to be aroused by playing video games; I'd rather save that for my actual relationships with other people (or one person in this case). If those outfits are in there they're just going to make me more tempted/conflicted about the game. This doesn't mean I don't like attractive outfits, but I dislike when they go from cool to indecent.
That being said, I respect that other people like that content, and I'm fine with letting it be there and just not using it myself. I just wanted to voice my opinion. I do, however, hope this game gets a Teen rating rather than Mature.
Regarding DLC:
I think that additional playable content is the best kind. Whether that's more campaigns, levels or playable characters.
I would be fine with paying for DLC that allows you to play the main campaign in co-op, because I'm a nut about that. I love playing co-op on pretty much anything. I'm sure it would go over better if it was bundled with additional content.
I hate paying for cosmetics. Especially when it's sorta microtransaction style ($3 for this costume, or $8 for a set of 4, or whatever). If I really really have to pay for those costumes, then please let it just be an expansion that unlocks them to be found/earned somewhere in game. I'm fine with paying $20 to make the game more fun, but if I pay $1 or any amount to just have a costume plopped into my inventory, it feels hollow and seriously breaks the immersion.
Regarding 13:
I'm pretty sure the promised co-op content is already coming for free, and the mentioned co-op DLC would be in addition to the already planned/promised features.
Regarding playable characters:
Personally, I always thought Johannes's design was awesome, and Dominique's kind of plain, ever since the Kickstarter. I'd be way more excited to play as Johannes as the third playable character. He's seeming a little lame in recent updates, so I hope he gets the awesomeness he deserves when we actually see him in the plot. So yeah, if we assume it's Miriam, Zangetsu, and Dominique, I'd choose Johannes for DLC. Or Gebel.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 20, 2018 9:06:08 GMT -6
Hey guys, keep in mind that if you would prefer to keep your answers confidential, giving answers here (especially to #15) will pretty much make it obvious who was who if you are worried about that. Just wanted to mention it, no one is going to maliciously use your data or something!ghaleon , you're not wrong there, but that alienates everyone that doesn't play on PC. Having both mod support and official costume options is a win for everybody, and I'd love to see the official artists' take on outfits. 1) Yep, I suggested valkyrie originally and I'm a Lenneth fan, so pretty easy to see what I prefer here. I don't look at her and immediately think "sexy" or "non-sexy" because I don't right off see things as that way. More on that later. 2) Yes, actually I'd like and somewhat expect that the different outfits would change certain animations. For example, each could have a different idle on top of having maybe different double jumps. Vampire could bring up her cape, nun could bow in prayer, maid could clean, etc haha 3) SotN succubus is already good enough for this I think, so something similar. I also think that there's some overlap with this and demon. 4) When most of us see "elegant vampire" in this context, we're certainly thinking of CV Dracula/Alucard and I think something similar is what most would want. 5) These are blatant fetishes and succubus is not? Well, here again I don't see things as purely "sexy outfit" or "non-sexy outfit", and I'm all for these costumes representing what they actually are. If people find them sexy or not, well, that's subjective to them. I like playing as characters with holy powers (+ for nuns) and I think maids in video games are funny. Kung fu maid in Sorrow for example seems like more of an amusement thing than something put there for sexual appeal. 6) I think it's there because it was on the fan poll and was voted highly enough, heh. I don't think there's any meaning hidden behind it, except possibly that yes, it may mean that "corrupted" isn't already an in-game thing that happens. I imagine it would be something on the opposite end of Pure's outfit, with standard Miriam being the mid point. 7) Well, I can't see this making much sense in context, so I suppose they could just do whatever, but I would say probably nothing more revealing than what real people wear to the beach (as opposed to the more crazy string/strap ones or DoA designs). She could also wear a beach wrap/skirt or something. 8) Elf and cowboy/gunslinger. The latter makes sense especially with the gun weapons. 9) I did pick "other", and said "knight". Something more armored than the assumed valkyrie design, which is usually just breastplate, gauntlets, greaves. 10) I'm fine with DLC if it's done right. Optional is the way to go, yeah. Also, if you buy all of DOA's DLC separately, it's actually more like over $1k I think heh. 11) I wanted to save this for another post elsewhere, but I think it's just as likely that one of the "playable characters" is a team of 2-3 like PoR or Julius Mode in Dawn. But anyway, if it IS Zangetsu and Dominique as 2 and 3 (which I don't think it is, given Angel's responses - he has said "no would be able to guess" etc), I'd say at that point Gebel and Johannes from what we know would be the next two likely candidates, and/or the characters we haven't seen yet. 12) I don't think it's inherently a bad thing. Everyone seems to love when the Souls games do it. It would be trickier to do with an Igavania game, however, unless the content is maybe not per se a part of the main castle experience itself. Maybe a separate epilogue/side area that you can use your data for. 13) It definitely doesn't mean making the existing stretch goals as DLC. The current multiplayer does not entail the main game being played with others, but instead certain modes/features. It's asking regarding full multiplayer as opposed to that. 14) I don't have that much of an opinion. I just want to play Iga's game. 15) I didn't have much to say here since I already communicate with Angel a lot haha
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Post by jospired on Apr 20, 2018 11:26:03 GMT -6
Either way I just want there to be a nun costume. Can there be both fetish and realistic versions? They could be seperate DLC, I dont know I just want nuns and I want every version of a nun costume you can make. I have a fever and the only prescription is more nuns.
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Post by ghaleon on Apr 21, 2018 0:17:25 GMT -6
ghaleon , you're not wrong there, but that alienates everyone that doesn't play on PC. Having both mod support and official costume options is a win for everybody, and I'd love to see the official artists' take on outfits. I honestly find that to be a bit of a dated point. This game is using the unreal engine on all the platforms isn't it? Therefore the costume files should be compatible across platforms, and all the modern consoles these days either hook up to computers or accept thumbsticks I believe. I don't know about the nintendo ones though. That said those platforms were backer bonuses. Wouldn't be much of a bonus to refrain from doing something for everyone else for said bonus. Even then they could release the most popular fanmade mods as free dlc or update options later or something. |
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Post by dareka on Apr 21, 2018 3:02:28 GMT -6
1) Regarding Valkyrie (Armored) option. The "armored" there means that it isn't a "sexy" Valkyrie, but a full armored one. Would you like to see a version of such outfit, that is more sexy and provocative than warrior-like? Well, I didn't vote for Valkyrie so...I mean, sexy armor is fine by me, although I don't think that's what people imagine when they say "Valkyrie."So had I voted for it, I would expect more or less full-body armor. Side Note: I'm generally a fan of bikini armors (heck, I played the Amazon in Dragon's Crown), but I dunno... it just doesn't seem to fit with Miriam's character. I guess that's why I'm not to keen on the Valkyrie gear in general: I don't think her character meshes well with armor, bikini or otherwise. But that's just my personal feelings, obviously. 2) Regarding Angel and Demon options. If miriam had such outfits, would you like if they somehow altered some powers, visually speaking? Like, if Miriam had the ability to fly by creating wings (such as Volaticus Glyph on Order of Ecclesia) she could have default black wings, but angel wings wearing Angel outfit and demonic wings wearing Demon outfit. Keep in mind that, game development requires resources (both money and time) and do something like that would require more programming and resources. I ... have no idea how the developers could implement Angel and Demon options. To me, additional powers are always interesting but only if they add something to the gameplay... and though it's hardly ever mentioned, the cost in terms of play balancing would have to be considered for any such option. It's not just the assets and programming: somebody has to play it and then make sure it's fun and works and doesn't wreck anything. Shanoa's werebat form in Order of Ecclesia. Completely naked. AND PIXELATED!!!
3) Regarding Succubus (provocative) option. How much "provocative" would you like such outfit to be? Like Symphony of the Night's Succubus or going steps further, maybe such as Werebat form from Order of Ecclesia (that is basically naked, maybe Miriam would have strategically placed long hair, wings or legs and cam position to hide spots). As long as she's not as pixelated like the werebat [/badjoke]. I don't think about it necessarily in terms of how much skin it shows... a succubus is a demon that's sexual by nature... as long as they bring that out in a way that's consistent with the game's gothic theme, I don't really mind how many or how few pixels are covering her vertices. 4) Regarding Vampire (Elegant) option. How would you like to see that? As a "modest" form of Succubus? Maybe a long elegant dress like Carmilla from older games? Or maybe a female version of Alucard's attire? That's a good question... elegance and sexuality are not mutually exclusive, but basically I would expect a vampire to be more "covered" than a "succubus", but it could be anything from a female version of Alucard's attire, to something like a dark, semitransparent body-hugging robe strategically decorated with roses... which we're not going to get because OMG the assets/programming and pain in the artists' collective ass LOL.  At any rate, I'd expect the succubus to look a bit more feral and the vampire to look a bit more refined, regardless of the amount of skin shown. 5) Regarding Nun and Maid options. Such options are blatantly based on kinks and fetishes. Would you like, if such outfits existed, to follow the traditional kink role (short skirts, garterbelt, pantyhose, cleavage) or to go a step into the modesty zone and actually use real-life versions of such clothes? Modesty zone for the nun, but not the maid. I dunno, I attended a grade-school run by nuns, so, 6) Regarding Corrupted (fully overtaken by the curse) option. Do you believe such option means that we will not have a corrupted version of Miriam to play with? That will not happen at the game's plot? Or the option being there is a way for the dev team to actually DODGE such speculations? I think there's one that's unlocked after you clear the game with the bad ending where she gets corrupted, or after you clear a mode played by another character, which is unlocked at this point (with Myriam as the final boss). 7) Regarding Bikini / Beachwear option. As stated above, such option is clearly a kink / fetish option and this one would be even harder to conceal as something else. If such outfit existed in game, would you prefer it to be something clearly risky (such as Dead or Alive 5 bikinis), something not so risky but quite taboo (such as japanese schoolgirl swimsuit) or something classic and elegant (such as old swimsuits, that looked like full body suits)? I actually think there could be swimsuits/bikinis for all types of preferences, and not all, if any, need to be kinky. 8) Regarding Outfits to match existing accessory sets option. The game has shown quite a lot of outfits already, such as Bunny ears/stockings, Maid Headress, Elven Ears, Spiked Hair, Sunglasses, Panama / cowboy Hat and Santa Hat. Considering such accessories, would you like to see some of them having outfits to match them? Choose some. I'd rather have dev resources spent on costumes that fit the game-world in general, so there are no such outfits I'd like to see - but I don't mind if they're in there, obviously. 9) Regarding "Other" option. Did you picked up such options? What have you offered as suggestion for outfits? The original design they had for Miriam before they settled on the current design. I'm very curious about how it looked. Regarding Cosmetics / skins options. Almost every game nowadays, offers such option as DLC, because many players consider them to be something not mandatory for a game. Even so, there had some criticism in the past about the overload of cosmetics DLC (Dead or Alive 5 Last Round, being a good example, all DLCs of the game, if bought separately, costs more than the game itself). What are your thoughts regarding that? I'm one of the few who honestly doesn't mind if they charge for DLC that doesn't affect the gameplay. At all. I only rarely buy it, though, but this game might be the exception. Regarding More playable characters option. Most speculation about Bloodstained's three playable characters revolve around Miriam (mandatory), Zangetsu and Dominique. Let's assume for a second they will really be the game's default playable characters. If the game ends up having a playable character as DLC, who would you choose to be? (excluding Miriam, Zangetsu and Dominique). ( No, that's the answer. The character currently known as ? ? ? ?, i.e., the Alucard Homage Character played by Robbie Belgrade). 12) Regarding Full story content expansions option. This is, by far, one of the most infamous and unpopular options in gaming DLCs. Many players consider that expanding a game's plot through DLC is a cheap way of money farming. But some players see it as a great way to expand a game's content and keep it alive. What are your thoughts about this? If 1) the expansion is substantial, 2) comes at a point in the game's life-cycle when people are mostly done with the main game and 3) Is reasonably priced (i.e., less than the cheapest version of the main game), then I'm all for it. Otherwise, make it free or don't go there, man. 13) Regarding Full multiplayer & co-op for existing game option. What do you think this option really means? Putting multiplayer and co-op options from the stretch goals as DLC, or expanding such content by DLC? No idea. 14) Regarding Mod support / Castle editor option. Although many players would surely love that, by offering official mod support and / or castle editor options, there is a chance that this could actually hinder such possibilities, since official tools can be more limited than the freedom of "breaking and entering" inside a game's content. A good example of this is DOOM 2016 "snap map" editor, that, although fun, many players considered really restrictive. What are your thoughts over this? Not something I lose sleep over, thankfully! That's all folks!This thread is dedicated to A Man in Flames who had the audacy to challenge me to create it. He should have known better.  |
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Post by paulwawg on Apr 21, 2018 13:29:55 GMT -6
Thank you for this thread! not gonna answer all the questions but there are a few points i would like to share my opinions on.
1) Regarding Valkyrie (Armored) option. The "armored" there means that it isn't a "sexy" Valkyrie, but a full armored one. Would you like to see a version of such outfit, that is more sexy and provocative than warrior-like?
Not gonna lie, when everyone said it reminds them of Lenneth, my first thought was how terrifying she was as a secret boss in star ocean till the end of time. her and freya were down right monsters to fight, especilly with there DBZ nuke moves (CURSE YOU FREYA AND YOUR GODLIKE ETHER STRIKE!) But i think i would prefer the armored ready to whoop some booty approach to this skin with the winged helmet.
4) Regarding Vampire (Elegant) option. How would you like to see that? As a "modest" form of Succubus? Maybe a long elegant dress like Carmilla from older games? Or maybe a female version of Alucard's attire?
Female Alucard? just take my money... all of it... maybe if i push the bills into my screen a little harder.....
9) Regarding "Other" option. Did you picked up such options? What have you offered as suggestion for outfits?
I suggested a draconic like skin, maybe half dragon similar to the breath of fire series of games (namely 4)
11) Regarding More playable characters option. Most speculation about Bloodstained's three playable characters revolve around Miriam (mandatory), Zangetsu and Dominique. Let's assume for a second they will really be the game's default playable characters. If the game ends up having a playable character as DLC, who would you choose to be? (excluding Miriam, Zangetsu and Dominique).
I was under the impression Johannes was going to be playable, must have missed the memo. I would like to see him rolling up his sleeves though, that could be fun! but thats relly as far as i could go with that, considering we really dont have to much information on all of the characters so far besides backstory snippets.
13) Regarding Full multiplayer & co-op for existing game option. What do you think this option really means? Putting multiplayer and co-op options from the stretch goals as DLC, or expanding such content by DLC?
Honestly i like the approach Bloodborne took to the randomly generated and fixed chalice dungeons, being able to have the option to actually co-op with your character like that would be amazing, whether its in randomly generated dungeons for extra materials, or doing buddy co-op in the actual campaign. Going into the next question however, if we get a castle editor, i think it would be amazing to co-op through those!
As far as how they handle the castle editor and mod support, to be honest, the castle editor is an amazing idea. I was smitten with mario maker and mega man maker, now they tease me with the idea of an official iga maker? my life as a gamer is complete. As far as Mod support, lets be real here. Playstation mod support is, for lack of a better term, not good. how many people were so mad when they announced mod support for skyrim and fallout for ps4 and it didn't deliver as much as people promised? Mod support in my opinion is best left to PC, because as much as we all love nintendo and how they are changing there policies, it would be asafer bet just to give consoles a castle editor similar to games like broforce or mario maker.
15) Regarding Other option. Did you picked up such options? What have you offered as suggestion for DLCs?
This is something i feel strongly about honestly, and i dont expect everyone to agree with me. I do believe sometime after launch we should have a special edition dlc to upgrade the game to the kickstarter version of the game (minus bonus consumables or things like that). Like for example, say the Iga boss was kickstarter only, and only we get the chance to fight him. I dont beleive it to be fair that everyone cant have the opertunity to have their butt kicked by Iga. So my idea, is that our exclusive content should become available as an after launch dlc maybe a month down the road so everyone can join in the fun (this would give us the opertunity to have our fun, then everyone else get that chance).
wow this was a big post, thanks for reading to the end if you made it that far! (i understand if you didnt)
Also first person on pc to actually put alucard in the game as a mod gets a high five in a turbo mansion in space. just sayin....
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1: Valkyrie (Armored)Castlevania has Axe Armor, let us have Valkyrie! 2: Angel and DemonHaving abilities altered by costume would be amazing! I doubt this would happen though based on the amount of resources required for each unique costume. 3: Succubus (provocative)I find that provocative doesn't need to be overly sexual. I want beauty with haunting, otherworldly, or tragic overtones. Some nudity wouldn't be a problem. 4: Vampire (Elegant)
I feel modest succubus would be a bit simple, I want extravagant and class! I can't decide between  OR 
Traditional classy Nun, kinky Maid. 6: Corrupted
To me it seems Corrupted will not be an outfit normally. I expect it to be more likely a death animation, or a Game Over screen. 7: Bikini / BeachwearI would assume it to be risque, considering the traditional role of outfits in games I couldn't imagine it being anything but(t) {Pun intended}. But getting this far in the questions, it makes me wonder about the other playable characters, I doubt everyone will be getting outfits? Too bad, speedo Zangetsu would have been fun! 8: Outfits to match existing accessory setsWonderful idea! My top picks would be Bunny ears/stockings = Bunny girl, Maid Headdress = Maid, Elven Ears = Elf, Cowboy Hat = Cowgirl. 9: "Other" optionI chose Werewolf! My favourite type of monster, and I always find Igavanias portray them well. And tell me THIS wouldn't be amazing! 10: Cosmetics / skinsIn general I am fine with DLC cosmetics because it doesn't change the nature of the game. In fact I am so invested in Bloodstained that I would probably buy some even though I don't buy skins for any other game. 11: More playable charactersI would be willing to pay for Alfred and Dominique as playable characters... MAYBE Gebel. 12: Full story content expansionsI am willing to buy expansions. I have done so for all the Dark Souls series, Diablo II, Star Craft series and Bloodborne as well. I do expect though a lot of content and the expansion and that the cost be minimal. Considering the engine and some character models are already in the game you don't have to work from the ground up. 13: Full multiplayer & co-op for existing gameI admit that I was hoping for full co-op for the main game from the get-go, but that was never stated, I only inferred it to be such. But I think this style of game is traditionally single player, and besides, we are getting co-op to some degree for free from the stretch goals. If released as DLC I will not be buying it. 14: Mod support / Castle editorI personally have no care for such an option. If others want it I am not against it, but I wouldn't be using it. 15: Other optionNone. Last Note: Give us werewolf Miriam!
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Post by dareka on Apr 21, 2018 18:52:20 GMT -6
7: Bikini / BeachwearI would assume it to be risque, considering the traditional role of outfits in games I couldn't imagine it being anything but(t) {Pun intended}. But getting this far in the questions, it makes me wonder about the other playable characters, I doubt everyone will be getting outfits? Too bad, speedo Zangetsu would have been fun! Zangetsu must get a fundoshi! (japanese loincloth)! Nothing says fearless like fighting undead monsters in a manly thong!  Last Note: Give us werewolf Miriam! Actually... now that you mention it, I would prefer Kitsune (Fox) Miriam! Seems like a glaring omission that it wasn't in the Survey, now that I think about it... something like a cute yukata outfit, with fox ears and and a fox tail, and the ability to turn into a furry four-legged fox... damn, WHY DIDN'T I ASK FOR IT IN THE SURVEY!!!! |
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Post by JeffCross on Apr 23, 2018 2:29:00 GMT -6
1) Regarding Valkyrie (Armored) option. The "armored" there means that it isn't a "sexy" Valkyrie, but a full armored one. Would you like to see a version of such outfit, that is more sexy and provocative than warrior-like?
personally I don't care if it is more sexy... but I like more realistic armor then sexy armor... it is rare to find realistic armor in video games I know there will be enough fan-service to go around...
2) Regarding Angel and Demon options. If miriam had such outfits, would you like if they somehow altered some powers, visually speaking? Like, if Miriam had the ability to fly by creating wings (such as Volaticus Glyph on Order of Ecclesia) she could have default black wings, but angel wings wearing Angel outfit and demonic wings wearing Demon outfit. Keep in mind that, game development requires resources (both money and time) and do something like that would require more programming and resources.
yes I would like to see them have different effects with different outfits... but only if they have spare time and money to put into it.
3) Regarding Succubus (provocative) option. How much "provocative" would you like such outfit to be? Like Symphony of the Night's Succubus or going steps further, maybe such as Werebat form from Order of Ecclesia (that is basically naked, maybe Miriam would have strategically placed long hair, wings or legs and cam position to hide spots).
With the Succubus... I think it should be very provocative, but only because it's a succubus... and yes close to SotN would be nice.
4) Regarding Vampire (Elegant) option. How would you like to see that? As a "modest" form of Succubus? Maybe a long elegant dress like Carmilla from older games? Or maybe a female version of Alucard's attire?
sorry not Alucard... love his character but for a female vampire there is a romantic essence in classic female monsters, and think something closer to a traditional vampire look would be best... elegant, with a flowing gown... maybe it becomes smoke or mist as she walks...
5) Regarding Nun and Maid options. Such options are blatantly based on kinks and fetishes. Would you like, if such outfits existed, to follow the traditional kink role (short skirts, garterbelt, pantyhose, cleavage) or to go a step into the modesty zone and actually use real-life versions of such clothes?
the kink... why... well because it is what we associate maid outfits to be and that is what they think of when you think Japanese maid.
6) Regarding Corrupted (fully overtaken by the curse) option. Do you believe such option means that we will not have a corrupted version of Miriam to play with? That will not happen at the game's plot? Or the option being there is a way for the dev team to actually DODGE such speculations?
maybe it will be unlocked when that part of the game done... AND we beat the game that way or something... they just wanted to see if it was popular I think...
7) Regarding Bikini / Beachwear option. As stated above, such option is clearly a kink / fetish option and this one would be even harder to conceal as something else. If such outfit existed in game, would you prefer it to be something clearly risky (such as Dead or Alive 5 bikinis), something not so risky but quite taboo (such as japanese schoolgirl swimsuit) or something classic and elegant (such as old swimsuits, that looked like full body suits)?
why not all of thee above? why can't we have it all? if they have the time and money of course. I personally think Mirim would look awesome in a one piece.
8) Regarding Outfits to match existing accessory sets option. The game has shown quite a lot of outfits already, such as Bunny ears/stockings, Maid Headress, Elven Ears, Spiked Hair, Sunglasses, Panama / cowboy Hat and Santa Hat. Considering such accessories, would you like to see some of them having outfits to match them? Choose some.
I think for the most part there should be an outfit that matches an accessory set... there should also be an outfit that supersedes all other outfits and/or accessories... so people that does not like their outfit to change... they have that option... they can look like default Miriam from beginning to end. (or there should be an option that does not let that accessories change Miriam in any way)
9) Regarding "Other" option. Did you picked up such options? What have you offered as suggestion for outfits?
Oh yeah i did... I suggested a "Vampire hunter" lol does not have to look like a belmont but... it would be cool to see her run around with stakes, holy water and the likes.
10) Regarding Cosmetics / skins options. Almost every game nowadays, offers such option as DLC, because many players consider them to be something not mandatory for a game. Even so, there had some criticism in the past about the overload of cosmetics DLC (Dead or Alive 5 Last Round, being a good example, all DLCs of the game, if bought separately, costs more than the game itself). What are your thoughts regarding that?
I say if they sell why not? don't make them super expenive AND don't let them be in lootboxes...
11) Regarding More playable characters option. Most speculation about Bloodstained's three playable characters revolve around Miriam (mandatory), Zangetsu and Dominique. Let's assume for a second they will really be the game's default playable characters. If the game ends up having a playable character as DLC, who would you choose to be? (excluding Miriam, Zangetsu and Dominique).
too hard to choose Zangetsu is badass... but I like playing girls in video games lol... so... I don't know or both
12) Regarding Full story content expansions option. This is, by far, one of the most infamous and unpopular options in gaming DLCs. Many players consider that expanding a game's plot through DLC is a cheap way of money farming. But some players see it as a great way to expand a game's content and keep it alive. What are your thoughts about this?
I am fine with it IF the story DLC is a fully flesh out story of other characters... like Zangetsu has changeable weapons, upgradeable armor powers you can find... things like that... I am fine with the past games that had characters that were fully powered from the beginning but I would rather play through a full fledged story and fleshed out character mechanics. yes basically a fully fleshed out game with that other character. I would pay for those.
13) Regarding Full multiplayer & co-op for existing game option. What do you think this option really means? Putting multiplayer and co-op options from the stretch goals as DLC, or expanding such content by DLC?
not sure not really into multiplayer modes...
14) Regarding Mod support / Castle editor option. Although many players would surely love that, by offering official mod support and / or castle editor options, there is a chance that this could actually hinder such possibilities, since official tools can be more limited than the freedom of "breaking and entering" inside a game's content. A good example of this is DOOM 2016 "snap map" editor, that, although fun, many players considered really restrictive. What are your thoughts over this?
not much thoughts on it... not much into the mod scene... just have it so I can play as alucard I am good.
15) Regarding Other option. Did you picked up such options? What have you offered as suggestion for DLCs?
I don't know where to put this and it has nothing to do with the question... but whatever... there was an option in the survey that asked if we wanted to have the backer only content available for the public... I said yes and offered a solution for how and when is should be available... I know many people are against others getting "backer only" content but I think it should be available but I want people to know the difference between the original backers and the people that just got the "complete" edition. I think the original backers should either have some kind of special effect on their weapons (same stats and everything) or have a different color to distinguish the originals from the ones that bought it from DLC or something.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 23, 2018 7:53:06 GMT -6
Actually... now that you mention it, I would prefer Kitsune (Fox) Miriam! Seems like a glaring omission that it wasn't in the Survey, now that I think about it... something like a cute yukata outfit, with fox ears and and a fox tail, and the ability to turn into a furry four-legged fox... damn, WHY DIDN'T I ASK FOR IT IN THE SURVEY!!!! Actually, that would fall under the "match accessories" survey option: i.imgur.com/Wz6v4lC.jpgFrom the "first reveal of 2018" thread. That was kind of the inherent weakness of that choice in the survey, it's easy to have forgotten/not know all of these. haha I said yes and offered a solution for how and when is should be available... I know many people are against others getting "backer only" content but I think it should be available but I want people to know the difference between the original backers and the people that just got the "complete" edition. I think the original backers should either have some kind of special effect on their weapons (same stats and everything) or have a different color to distinguish the originals from the ones that bought it from DLC or something. So wouldn't that be option D on the question? "d. Content will be available to everyone with alternate skins, that the $60 and above backers will have in addition to their original skins". |
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Post by djtanng on Apr 23, 2018 17:04:17 GMT -6
For the DLC question:
If Full story content expansion actually means more castle to explore, then I hope to God that everyone voted for it.
My runner ups were between Multiplayer/co-op and the Castle editor option. I am really torn between those 2 and I forget which one I voted for as my second vote. If that was actually a 3 vote option (can't remember), then I must have voted for all 3, but I really hope we get all 3.
I hope nobody voted the skins option since we're getting some anyway, and to just get more skins in place of actual playable DLC content would really suck in my opinion.
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Post by Galamoth on Apr 23, 2018 21:06:29 GMT -6
I haven't posted in one of your question threads in a while, Pure Miriam . But I shall start again now! Since I did not choose most of these outfits in the survey, I'll be skipping some of the questions. Otherwise; Glorious green text time!!!Now, let's start:4) Regarding Vampire (Elegant) option. How would you like to see that? As a "modest" form of Succubus? Maybe a long elegant dress like Carmilla from older games? Or maybe a female version of Alucard's attire?
Pale (almost snow-white) skin, wine-red eyes, noticeably elongated canines ("fangs") in character portrait. Kind-of like this! (Elegance!)
6) Regarding Corrupted (fully overtaken by the curse) option. Do you believe such option means that we will not have a corrupted version of Miriam to play with? That will not happen at the game's plot? Or the option being there is a way for the dev team to actually DODGE such speculations?
No, I don't think Corrupted Miriam will be available by default as a costume. She MIGHT become available through a Cheat Code (I can't say with any certainty), but otherwise I doubt her fully-cursed state will be seen outside of a Bad Ending.
8) Regarding Outfits to match existing accessory sets option. The game has shown quite a lot of outfits already, such as Bunny ears/stockings, Maid Headress, Elven Ears, Spiked Hair, Sunglasses, Panama / cowboy Hat and Santa Hat. Considering such accessories, would you like to see some of them having outfits to match them? Choose some.
Give her a black trenchcoat to go with those Sunglasses. I want to see how funny she'd look. :3
9) Regarding "Other" option. Did you picked up such options? What have you offered as suggestion for outfits?
I suggested a "Jiangshi" outfit, complete with a paper talisman stuck on her hat. I'd also want something like this, but didn't suggest it.
11) Regarding the more playable characters option. Most speculation about Bloodstained's three playable characters revolve around Miriam (mandatory), Zangetsu and Dominique. Let's assume for a second they will really be the game's default playable characters. If the game ends up having a playable character as DLC, who would you choose to be? (excluding Miriam, Zangetsu and Dominique).
Personally, I'm hoping to be able to play Bloodless in the main campaign (outside of her possible appearance in Boss Revenge Mode). I'm willing to wait for her to become part of Story-expanding DLC.
12) Regarding Full story content expansions option. This is, by far, one of the most infamous and unpopular options in gaming DLCs. Many players consider that expanding a game's plot through DLC is a cheap way of money farming. But some players see it as a great way to expand a game's content and keep it alive. What are your thoughts about this?
I don't think any of the story IGA intends to tell is going to be held back in DLC. Any DLC intended to expand upon the game's plot will most-likely be an afterthought.
This kind-of reminds me of past debate about whether there will be a "Second Castle" in the game, but that's a whole 'nother topic of discussion.
13) Regarding Full multiplayer & co-op for existing game option. What do you think this option really means? Putting multiplayer and co-op options from the stretch goals as DLC, or expanding such content by DLC?
I think it means expanding said content. However, based on how I personally feel about the importance of co-op content, I actually wouldn't mind if online multiplayer was relegated to post-release development.
14) Regarding Mod support / Castle editor option. Although many players would surely love that, by offering official mod support and / or castle editor options, there is a chance that this could actually hinder such possibilities, since official tools can be more limited than the freedom of "breaking and entering" inside a game's content. A good example of this is DOOM 2016 "snap map" editor, that, although fun, many players considered really restrictive. What are your thoughts over this?
"Castle Editor"? Add that option to the Roguelike Dungeon Mode. Sounds like an easy fix to me (Randomize the "castle" in this mode first, then edit certain features to your liking).
15) Regarding Other option. Did you picked up such options? What have you offered as suggestion for DLCs?
I chose to type "References to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure" as my other DLC suggestion.
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