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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 20, 2018 8:08:05 GMT -6
Jowy Avilon well in your example, if it proves true that they release the backer content to everyone (we don't know yet), you would have still saved yourself quite a bit of money on that. It's very unlikely that the retail version of Bloodstained will be $25-28, and as you know you'd be getting a lot of physical things that retail won't. This is just regarding the weapon/boss. Sure, Steam Bloodstained + this content might be $25 somewhere way down the line on a Steam sale or something, but I'm thinking that it as a package (if they release it to everyone and charge for it) would be 50-60 or so. Again assuming this even becomes a thing. Aye, I will concede to your point there. Also, as was pointed out in Discord yesterday (and I forgot), the Kickstarter $25-28 copy includes the prequel game and the backer achievement items (Pure Miriam, not sure how this would be released), so...that's yet more added value. I would say...too much value lol. $28 is ridiculous for a game this size, with this many modes. What in the world. |
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Post by Jowy Avilon on Apr 20, 2018 13:20:40 GMT -6
Aye, I will concede to your point there. Also, as was pointed out in Discord yesterday (and I forgot), the Kickstarter $25-28 copy includes the prequel game and the backer achievement items (Pure Miriam, not sure how this would be released), so...that's yet more added value. I would say...too much value lol. $28 is ridiculous for a game this size, with this many modes. What in the world. I went back after you mentioned that and was looking at the kickstarter campaign. The $28 doesn't mention getting the backer exclusive content. "Pledge $28 or more DIGITAL COPY A digital copy of the game for XBOX ONE, PS4, or STEAM (PC/Mac/Linux). Estimated delivery Mar 2017 20,155 backers" The backer exclusive content first gets mentioned in the $60 tier. "Pledge $60 or more SPECIAL BACKER EDITION PHYSICAL COPY A physical copy of the game for XBOX ONE, PS4, or STEAM (PC/Mac/Linux). Includes exclusive backer-only content and a special Kickstarter-exclusive slipcase! +$5 for international shipping Estimated delivery Mar 2017 Ships to Anywhere in the world 16,450 backers" So unless I'm missing something that I'm just not personally aware of, I viewed that with it being said in this way that the exclusive content only came with the backers in the $60+ tier. |
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 20, 2018 13:38:49 GMT -6
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Post by Jowy Avilon on Apr 20, 2018 13:44:20 GMT -6
Yeah, you're right, I misread backer achievements and got it confused with the backer exclusive content. This is why you don't read and reply when you're still half asleep kids mmmkay. |
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Post by robin1337 on Apr 28, 2018 8:51:55 GMT -6
The post by Angel-Corlux gives me the impression that a decision already has been made. I supported this project under the assumption that backer exclusive content is indeed exclusive to backers only. To make backer exclusive content available for everyone is to betray your most loyal supporters.
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Post by Busterific on Apr 28, 2018 9:46:31 GMT -6
I'm not so sure based on the fact that information on this was collected in the recent survey. I'm guessing that they're going to use that as a judge of how many people they're going to piss off by making it non-exclusive versus what the demand for having it non-exclusive is. Although maybe I'm lagging in what I know and they've already finished processing the surveys in which case the decision has probably been made.
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Post by Masquerade on May 1, 2018 18:04:00 GMT -6
Broken promises imply that the offenders either didn’t think before making the promises, or don’t care that they’ve let you down. They’re also implying that their needs are more important than yours. So to me, exclusive doesn't need be exclusive, but be honest about it from the get go. If you didn't think about it and want to change your answer later, then at least realize that people will hold you to a lesser standing than they might have originally. You could also bite the bullet and keep things exclusive and take this lesson to heart for next time, you messed up now but your next project could have content for everyone instead of exclusives. In the end I agree that it is a societal issue that needs to be dealt with promptly.  A significant part of this whole thing to consider guys is that this promise/idea was made with people that are no longer involved, and the people who are now responsible for "keeping the promise" are different individuals. ArtPlay (perhaps just IGA, obviously not Mana and I'm not sure about Curry) was there, but the publisher (505 Games) and new development groups were not. The IGA boss itself was an idea pushed for that he himself didn't initially agree with, so it certainly wasn't Igarashi's idea. Not sure on the swordwhip, but Sword vs Whip was a Fangamer creation and what the item kind of spawned from. So I would not say that this would be a case of them going back on their word, changing their minds, or symbolic of a dishonest society and all that. Many of the people who sat around a table and talked out these decisions aren't even on the team making the game anymore. Iga obviously conceded/agreed with the ideas of things, certainly, but we know how nice of a guy he is and wanting to do everything right for his fans. Being stuck into a corner of a hard decision like this wasn't chosen by the people who inherited it, or his intention in making his project the best it could be, trusting the counsel of those around him. I'm not "blaming" this whole thing on Inti Creates, mind you, or excusing the others of responsibility. That responsibility is certainly there, and everyone involved is taking it seriously, but regardless of the actions taken, I would not be looking at all this as someone changing their mind or lying. Purify, you have to remember though....this IS Iga’s project and while there are certain parts of a project that are decided and created by a team and a group decision, he still could’ve said no to that, so the responsibility of that action falls solely on Iga himself. |
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 1, 2018 18:29:12 GMT -6
Sure, that's what I mean in my last paragraph. The responsibility is still there. I just wouldn't see it as such a severe black/white of a trust/honesty issue, and a lot of people out there wouldn't know or realize the background to it I pointed out there.
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Post by disgorgex on May 15, 2018 18:14:55 GMT -6
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 15, 2018 18:46:05 GMT -6
lmao. It will be a Herculean task for Fangamer/Artplay to remember all of these darn things.
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Post by jboogieg on May 15, 2018 21:10:58 GMT -6
Eh, it's their job. They've done this many many times by now.
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