Feedback to make attacking and killing enemies satisfying

Hey man, I covered you in my first post here.

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LeoLeWolferoux

I think we will still get crit hit information, or higher numbers when you hit an enemy which is weak against something. That Bestiary can be handled in so many different ways. Perhaps it is as a deeper spot in the castle, perhaps it won't fill in the blanks until you actually manage to hit it strong vs weak, or weak vs strong. Maybe you need to defeat a lot of them before it is even written down. This is IF we even get a Bestiary.

A sound cue are done in FPS games, when you crit-hit, head shot etc. It tells you that you did achieve something, and it can empower you to do better if you feel you miss out. This would swap alchemy, weapons, subweapons or shard-abilities to get that satisfying critical damage, or insta-kill frenzy feelz.

Since I do not see the numbers in games. Those that actually float out of the attack, also where it says "block" and so on, a sound cue would be nice. I had numbers in Diablo III when I ran around killing stuff, but I didn't see them, or reflect on them very much. So in a sense, the cue would help out a lot to let at least, me to know I used right weapon.

And sound cue for greater damage would be way easier than animate monsters for a special death if I hit them with "right weapon / element".

Edit: And give the option to have it OFF if people do not like the sound of being awesome.

But we already know that Bloodstained has parameters that show how much damage is done through viewing of the demo. We also know that Bestiaries are in a large chunk of the  games such as Dawn and Order. And yes higher damage could equal an elemental weakness, or it could simply be from switching to a weapon that is more powerful, or a more powerful spell, or through leveling. Many factors feed into damage formulas, so Bestiaries are clean, and easily understood ways of communicating enemy traits. (IE weakness)

Another thing that I would like to point out is that withholding information from a Bestiary due to variables such as 'you haven't killed the enemy with THIS elemental yet...' is both gimmicky w/ mechanics, and incredibly inefficient. Not only that but I believe that I have yet to play a game where such a withholding of information was present. 

One last piece is about your edit...it's incredibly passive aggressive and one would do well to keep biased opinions to oneself. An unnecessary option, for an unnecessary mechanic. That's all I'm saying.

LeoLeWolferoux

The damage numbers could be changed, and demo are alpha, so anything is possible. And even if there is higher numbers, I think critical hits have different colors, waaay more damage in numbers and perhaps bigger text. I am really bad at knowing these things because I am blind to them, which will make the game harder for me if things are just "look at numbers dude!".

Holding back info on Bestiary is to me brilliant. It would make up for all the exploration you can do. Just by hitting an enemy once would unlock everything about that monster is also a cool way to let us know how to handle the battle, where it came from and all those stats it has. But really, think about it. Would you know about NPC just by talking to him once? Why not make same on enemies - unlock bits of everything, if we have a strong vs weak: It would be cool to experiment. As you said, those numbers will be higher so it doesn't matter to you that much, but to me, as do not look at those numbers, the exploration of it would be cool, and pro-long the game for me. Achievements that you really do not need, but can be applied for those that love to unlock these things.

And I still want sound cues. Options are to give the player more control. I am all for it, even if you seems to have it all in cookie-cut, perhaps some of us want to change a few things. Examples of ON/OFF are in SotN, where you can even disable gravity boots and see numbers / names etc. Having a critical-hit sound or something that you do good is a nice touch and a feelgood experience. And of course, if people do not want it, or any other features, just hit off. Simple as that.

Now, I doubt there will be any sounds that indicate you have an awesome weapon against that foe, but it works very well in other games, matter a fact, in all kinds of games. The numbers will probably stay because that is almost a given. And the bestiary is, like I said, something that can be handles in many different ways.

Edit: The subject of this thread is "feedback attacking killing enemies satisfying". So it is still about that sound cue, not about the book of enemies. A more satisfying way is to know you did good.

LeoLeWolferoux I edited so you understand better.

Yeah sure.

I just had one sound in mind to make the effort lower on the dev-team, but yeah.. A simple pitch on the weapons actual striking sound would perhaps make a great and fast way to implement it too.

As I said, I do not think they will add sounds, but sounds in general are very cool and make enemies more alive, even if they are about to die. I remember Bloody Zombie from SotN. When killing it, it really was a bloody mess, and the sound! Gee.. Yeah.

I also want bodies to last a bit longer, corpses.. Perhaps they can feel when you have a powerful blow, and those corpses are close by, so they kinda nudge or are pushed away because of the force. No need to let them fly across the room, but something that makes it feel like you are killing next one, and while the other one, still is dead, it will get more "damage" or treatment so to speak.

Time 4 Tea Yeah, I was about crit hit, but enemies that block all have some clashing sounds in SotN, that could work too, but wouldn't be as effective as the "right weapon used" idea. But nice idea, didn't think about that one!

How do you mean?

You're not just talking about HD Rumble on the Switch, right?

Kinda like how enemies in Sonic games turn back into cute little animals & hop away.
maybe some of the enemies "revert" to normal form (like hellhounds or cat demons) & run off-screen.
(maybe theres a secret room somewhere full of these cute "pets" just to know they're safe lol)
doing this with humanoid enemies would have less effect, but an occasional feeling of "i just saved the cute thing!" would be pretty cool (would definitely want it to be unconditional tho, i don't want to find out later I accidentally mass-murdered a room of puppies because i used fire instead of kicking it)