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Post by Zechs on Feb 8, 2017 20:59:40 GMT -6
I think folks are more concerned about shock value violence, not the violence itself. The almost needless, could have been toned down for same effect, kind of violence. Walking Dead season 7 is a non GoT example of this.
We expect violence. Some just don't expect in your face graphic gore violence.
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Post by CastleDan on Feb 8, 2017 21:13:05 GMT -6
I think folks are more concerned about shock value violence, not the violence itself. The almost needless, could have been toned down for same effect, kind of violence. Walking Dead season 7 is a non GoT example of this. We expect violence. Some just don't expect in your face graphic gore violence. Well I think it's premature to assume how it'll be, we don't have a single image of it let alone video. I personally think PG 13ing it would have been far worse. Castlevania is darker than people give it credit for, zombies bodies ripping in pieces as you hit them, nude women enemies, seduction from succubus, blood everywhere. It was always gonna be violent if they were gonna do it right. We don't know how they're handling it specifically what is know is that a bunch of incredibly talented people are working on it so I'm excited to get a glimpse.
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Post by Lestaroth on Feb 8, 2017 21:29:14 GMT -6
Full edit: I bypassed that article about the super violent, dark Castlevania adaptation... twice. I guess I lacked sleep then. That's pretty strange for two articles to describe it all differently, between one talking about kids'-targeted venture and one maybe risking censorship for going too far... Konami's pulling a Capcom on us all and tries to capitalize on Castlevania some more because they saw how popular Bloodstained has been in its backing. Ah, the power of $_$... What is hype? *Glass crash noise* A miserable little pile of collective excitement! But enough talk, have at you!
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Post by Zechs on Feb 8, 2017 21:31:06 GMT -6
It's the only thing I can gather. I don't have a problem with violence. Castlevania is Gothic for a reason. It's why I mentioned Hellsing earlier. Though Hellsing Ultimate has more pizaz...
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Post by Galamoth on Feb 8, 2017 21:37:15 GMT -6
It's only 4 episodes Season 1, Part 1?
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Post by BalancedHydra on Feb 8, 2017 21:43:06 GMT -6
It's only 4 episodes Season 1, Part 1? Demon Castle War, Prologue
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Post by XombieMike on Feb 8, 2017 22:08:51 GMT -6
It's only 4 episodes Season 1, Part 1? Yeah. Hopefully they are an hour each. Season 2 sounds solidly confirmed by Adi.
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Post by CastleDan on Feb 9, 2017 0:36:02 GMT -6
Adi Shankar has confirmed that he is involved in this, that it is animated and that "Seasons 1 & 2 were written by Warren Ellis".
I can't believe Ellis is writing the two seasons. He's got a lot of talent and he's the guy that was originally developing the rumored castlevania tv series a long time ago. It's finally happened, I wonder if he is still basing it on Castlevania 3. It'd be really cool to see Alucard.
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Post by Pure Miriam on Feb 9, 2017 1:16:17 GMT -6
Erotic violence comes to mind... Considering we have naked demons (Succubus, Lilith), vampires having children or turning other's people's children into vampires (Brauner, Stella, Loretta, Dracula itself with Lisa), Dracula's plaything (Carmilla), etc. Castlevania, specially since IGA came in, has quite a lot of sexual imagery. Vampires are seductive creatures by nature on most of these works. If they are aiming for an adult audience, i quite expect to find sex, naked people and maybe erotic violence too. I'm actually surprised that Konami gave the green light for this to happen in the first place... unless it's CV-like rather a straight up CV animation project. I'm actually curious if this animation will cover the Demon Castle War. With Warren writing, it's possible. Consider Konami gave green light for the horrid (in my opinion) Castlevania: Lords of Shadow franchise... I think folks are more concerned about shock value violence, not the violence itself. The almost needless, could have been toned down for same effect, kind of violence. Walking Dead season 7 is a non GoT example of this. We expect violence. Some just don't expect in your face graphic gore violence. Actually, talking from the perspective of someone that read the Walking Dead Comics since before the series existed, they actually toned down half of the violence from the comics. They pratically only got it 100% right on Walking Dead Season 7. But the shock value happened because TV public is way different than comics public. Several things on comics doesn't work well when on TV. And that's one of the examples, i think.
About the adaptation itself, the news are spread out and confusing. I remember too, the whole talk about the animation back in the day. Animation, lots of violence, adult-themed, Castlevania 3... Hard to tell. We need to grab all the info and mix all together to see what comes out of it.
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Post by ReySol on Feb 9, 2017 6:33:17 GMT -6
Amazing news, even though I will be cautious with my expectation. Adaptations can be tricky, especially with Castlevania. I like that it will be an animated series. I would like it to be dark and violent. Erotic violence is welcome I like that art that castledan has posted. I remember expecting that series, but it was never made. It seems all CV adaptations have been stuck in development hell for the last decade. I wonder if it will be covering the story of CV3 Dracula's Curse as planned. Do we know that? I am actually too excited to do a research It would so amazing if one of the seasons is covering Demon Castle War. Otherwise, we might never see it.
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Post by Brainiac on Feb 9, 2017 8:24:36 GMT -6
Yeah, the mention of Warren Ellis makes me think this is the adaptation of CV3 that he was already kicking around LITERALLY a decade ago. Of course, back then it was planned for a trilogy of films and Grant would NOT be in the first one (Ellis said he couldn't stand the name as is, but had no objection making him more historically accurate and depicting him as a Dănești, though most likely spelled DiNesti). Since they've said Warren Ellis wrote the first two seasons and Ellis himself described the length of the planned first film as 80 minutes, I'm guessing the first two seasons are indeed a form of the planned film trilogy in serialized form (2 seasons, 4 episodes each, 30 minutes each = 240 minutes of screentime = 3 direct-to-DVD films of 80 minutes each). A few people have expressed concern about Shankar saying he intends for this thing to satirize vampire fiction. I'm not as worried personally since, as I said, this idea's been kicking around for a while and Shankar mentioned satirizing RECENT vampire tropes. My guess...he's gonna skewer Twilight and the like with this series. It's not an unfair direction to take, after all. Castlevania DOES heavily integrate the aspect of Love Makes You Evil into Dracula's story, after all. That could certainly make a good counter to recent vampire fiction, and - if you'll pardon the pun - give it some fangs again. Between the companies involved and its presence on Netflix, I have hopes that, despite the smattering of "for kids" going around, this thing is appropriately dark and gothic. It doesn't need to have parodic superviolence, but it can be mature. Something along the lines of Justice League Dark's R rating with some of the horror of Stranger Things and a healthy dose of action (like, say, the decent parts of Van Helsing) could work quite well. EDIT: Also, The Escapist's coverage about this is moronic. They simultaneously name-drop Simon, acting like he's in it, as well as mention it's adapting Dracula's Curse...which is TREVOR (or Ralph if you're pedantic). Oh, and if anyone's interested in how things looked for this back in the day and doesn't mind potential synopsis spoilers, there's a slide deck on Scribd back from the old Film Roman/Project 51 days to check out.
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Post by Pure Miriam on Feb 9, 2017 8:38:05 GMT -6
Shankar confirmed it is adult, it is an adaptation of Castlevania III: Dracula's curse and it has at least two seasons confirmed. Origina link: www.ign.com/articles/2017/02/08/netflix-announces-castlevania-animated-seriesRevealing parts
(...) IGN spoke with producer Adi Shankar following the announcement, and he confirmed that the show will indeed be an adaptation of Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse, but could not give further plot details at this time. "This is very much Castlevania done in the vein of Game of Thrones," Shankar said of the project, noting that Warren Ellis, who wrote the series and is on board as a producer, "added so much depth to the material." Dracula's Curse followed Trevor Belmont as he fought to stop Dracula from ravaging Europe in the 1400's. Those fighting with him included Alucard, Dracula's son. "[The series is] going to be R-rated as f***," Shankar said of the series' level of violence, as many entries in Konami's game series were rated M for mature due to blood and violence. Shankar's discussion of the series' more adult aims reconfirms a 2015 interview in which he said the show would be "America's first animated series for adults." At the time, Shankar, who has produced Dredd, The Grey, and more, said Akira, Ghost in the Shell, and Young Justice were among the series inspiring the Castlevania series' art design. (...) Shankar also discussed the project's current state on his Facebook page, saying Season 1 will come this year and that a second season, which was not mentioned in Netflix's announcement, will follow in 2018. Shankar is executive producing alongside Ellis, Kevin Kolde, and Fred Seibert. while Seibert's Frderator Studios is behind the animation
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Post by BalancedHydra on Feb 9, 2017 8:54:28 GMT -6
No offense Pure Miriam but IGN isn't the most credible of sites to get news from. I'd take the info if it came from a more reliable site/group but I'll remain skeptic until then.
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Post by Enkeria on Feb 9, 2017 9:00:12 GMT -6
Too much talk. I believe it when I see it.
In my flashback a cartoon Castlevania (yeah animated) is that horrible version of an Belmont clone in Captain N. Since it only aired in USA, I missed out, but we got magazines which showed us all that we missed because we lived in the wrong country.
As the years went by, something came along even here. It was called Internet (wow!) and with that I saw what I've missed out on. Never got the hype though, I was too late.
If there is any other series or anime I want the Castlevania to be somewhat like would maybe be Berserker. I do however not know of too many anime or Gothic styled animated tv-shows. Is this similar to Games of Thrones I would be happy about that too. But I do expect to see that blonde google-clone from Captain N.
Fingers crossed, let's hope there are unrated succubus just for the hell of it.
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Post by CastleDan on Feb 9, 2017 9:13:04 GMT -6
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Post by XombieMike on Feb 9, 2017 9:20:01 GMT -6
No offense Pure Miriam but IGN isn't the most credible of sites to get news from. I'd take the info if it came from a more reliable site/group but I'll remain skeptic until then. Are you implying they fabricated these quotes for Shankar?
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Post by BalancedHydra on Feb 9, 2017 9:31:14 GMT -6
No offense Pure Miriam but IGN isn't the most credible of sites to get news from. I'd take the info if it came from a more reliable site/group but I'll remain skeptic until then. Are you implying they fabricated these quotes for Shankar? No. I'm saying that until I get the same info from another site or source, I will not take anything at face value. EDIT: NVM. Found another site. collider.com/castlevania-animated-series-netflix-adi-shankar/#dredd-2-sequelI can accept the info now.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Feb 9, 2017 9:49:56 GMT -6
Full edit: I bypassed that article about the super violent, dark Castlevania adaptation... twice. I guess I lacked sleep then. That's pretty strange for two articles to describe it all differently, between one talking about kids'-targeted venture and one maybe risking censorship for going too far... Konami's pulling a Capcom on us all and tries to capitalize on Castlevania some more because they saw how popular Bloodstained has been in its backing. Ah, the power of $_$... What is hype? *Glass crash noise* A miserable little pile of collective excitement! But enough talk, have at you! Okay, so to reiterate what I've said elsewhere about this....
1. The "for kids" thing from all I've seen is mostly referring to the new company itself that is a few levels above the people making this. A group trying to be a new force in animation can't really persist on "adult animation" in the west and sell that idea to investors. As Shankar and others have said, the Castlevania pitch is an outlier/trying to break out in a more mature field. It may have been toned down some, but probably not to the point it's for kids.
2. Konami may have just now heard about it themselves. They sold the licensing for this project over 10 years ago and they can't even keep their characters' names straight, so I doubt they're involved enough to even know what Dracula's Curse's story was.
As far as them taking too many liberties/messing up CV3's story, I mean...there's not much there to begin with that's canon -to- mess up. A lot of what goes on is open to interpretation since the only text given is how it starts and the hunters agreeing to cooperate. Trevor/Sypha marrying is considered more or less a canon thing, but I don't think people would be that upset (or even know any different) if they used a different path/ending for that.
As far as violence for the sake of violence, Shankar's tone definitely comes across that way sometimes, but I think cooler heads involved may rein it in as compared to his solo produced fan projects. Shock value is an effective and unfortunate selling point, but I think the appropriate, actually animated goings-on of a standard Castlevania game would be dark enough to be something quite marketable.
There's a lot we don't know yet, for sure, but I'm hopeful right now.
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Post by CastleDan on Feb 9, 2017 10:02:40 GMT -6
I get people that don't want shock violence but this is a series where when you're killed in SOTN you spin as your body turns into blood. In the DS games when you slash zombies body parts rip off, and there's goofy elements as well which I'm sure they will keep. I guess what I'm saying is if I had the rights to Castlevania and I looked at the games for inspiration to make a cartoon I'd probably realize there's a lot of gore here, a lot of violence, and a lot of exotic natured things it's only hidden well because it's presented in a 2D pixel driven way. A reminder - Shock violence has always been around technically
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Post by Brainiac on Feb 9, 2017 10:25:22 GMT -6
But I do expect to see that blonde google-clone from Captain N. NO. As I said in the Castle Entrance last night, Captain N's depictions of the various game characters were ABYSMAL and should not be repeated if any company knows what's good for them. Mind, Konami seems not to, so... ...still, NO. Trevor/Sypha marrying is considered more or less a canon thing... No more or less about it. Juste's powers come from his Belnades heritage. Trevor/Sypha is canon. Grant being jealous of the two of them, far less so, as that primarily comes from...ugh, Judgment.
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