Do we need Sub-weapons?

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Do we need Sub-weapons? Jun 25, 2015 15:22:26 GMT -6

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Post by ChucklesTheJester on Jun 25, 2015 15:22:26 GMT -6

Jun 25, 2015 15:10:39 GMT -6 Cale said:

Well we have an alchemist as the Heroine, so different potions would be my go to.

Not so sure about that, I thought that Johannes was the alchemist. Miriam is more like a freshly awakened amnesiac with massive magical potential. If Johannes is playable, he'd probably have alchemical items and more traditional sub-weapons, while Miriam might have magic spells to fill that same role.

But, if I could pick between "Miriam, Johannes, and an as of yet unrevealed third character" and "Miriam, Gebel, and an as of yet unrevealed third character" as options to play as, I'd go for the variant with Gebel in it. He looks much too Alucard-y (which I'm sure was intentional) not to go with.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:22:26 GMT -6 ChucklesTheJester said:

Jun 25, 2015 15:10:39 GMT -6 Cale said:

Well we have an alchemist as the Heroine, so different potions would be my go to.

Not so sure about that, I thought that Johannes was the alchemist. Miriam is more like a freshly awakened amnesiac with massive magical potential. If Johannes is playable, he'd probably have alchemical items and more traditional sub-weapons, while Miriam might have magic spells to fill that same role.

But, if I could pick between "Miriam, Johannes, and an as of yet unrevealed third character" and "Miriam, Gebel, and an as of yet unrevealed third character" as options to play as, I'd go for the variant with Gebel in it. He looks much too Alucard-y (which I'm sure was intentional) not to go with.

I guess it's not established that she's an alchemist, but seeing as she was taken in by alchemists, I assumed she might have learned from them, or at least have access to their equipment since the castle appeared at the site of the old Alchemist’s Guild. So she most likely isn't an alchemist herself, but it would make sense that alchemy would be the most likely substitute for sub-weapons.

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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 25, 2015 15:37:20 GMT -6

Jun 25, 2015 15:33:35 GMT -6 Cale said:

Jun 25, 2015 15:22:26 GMT -6 ChucklesTheJester said:

Not so sure about that, I thought that Johannes was the alchemist. Miriam is more like a freshly awakened amnesiac with massive magical potential. If Johannes is playable, he'd probably have alchemical items and more traditional sub-weapons, while Miriam might have magic spells to fill that same role.

But, if I could pick between "Miriam, Johannes, and an as of yet unrevealed third character" and "Miriam, Gebel, and an as of yet unrevealed third character" as options to play as, I'd go for the variant with Gebel in it. He looks much too Alucard-y (which I'm sure was intentional) not to go with.

I guess it's not established that she's an alchemist, but seeing as she was taken in by alchemists, I assumed she might have learned from them, or at least have access to their equipment since the castle appeared at the site of the old Alchemist’s Guild. So she most likely isn't an alchemist herself, but it would make sense that alchemy would be the most likely substitute for sub-weapons.

I was under the impression that she was taken in along with Gebel and a bunch of other kids(?) by The Alchemists for the sole purpose of subjecting them to the Magi-crystal curse. A cruel fate really. I don't think those alchemists(except Johannes) would impart any of their knowledge on them. I could be wrong though.

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Jun 25, 2015 15:37:20 GMT -6 Arcueid Brunestud said:

I was under the impression that she was taken in along with Gebel and a bunch of other kids(?) by The Alchemists for the sole purpose of subjecting them to the Magi-crystal curse. A cruel fate really. I don't think those alchemists(except Johannes) would impart any of their knowledge on them. I could be wrong though.

You could be, but I'm pretty sure you're right. _goofball

Which is why I said Johannes is probably the one who'll do all the crafting.

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Jun 25, 2015 14:45:24 GMT -6 Arcueid Brunestud said:

There definitely shouldn't be a Shield Rod+Alucard Shield combination, that's for sure. Galamoth goes down in less than 10 seconds with that combo. And he's an optional boss.

I hope there is a combo like that, only for the simple fact it added a cool and unique way to win the game. I know it was OP, and shouldn't be easy to get, and certainly hard enough to obtain that most people wouldn't get it on their first run through, ya know?

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Jun 25, 2015 18:46:26 GMT -6 Arcueid Brunestud said:

It wasn't just OP. It broke the game's difficulty. It's like using a nuke(that you're immune to) in a knife fight, it's just not right.

Luckily those who like the game really hard will be able to play nightmare mode I am looking forward to that.

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I'm also of the mind-set that they will have spells and abilities in place of subweapons. My hope is that they do it either in the 'key your inputs' style, or the style in which you select 4 specials and hit a direction (or none) and a button to activate them.

I hope they also upgrade in some way (either by applying runes/items, gaining exp, or some combination of the above). However, I would be okay with them being static in that sense.

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I will be very sad if I cannot walk around leaving trails of holy crackers on the ground for the castles rodent population to enjoy at night. My desire to share this salty treat is the only reason I achieved 212% map completion.

I also spent an extraordinary amount of the time trying to create a perfect superman crest pattern in different rooms using the ricochet thingy.

Bottom line is yes, I need sub weapons... because.

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Post by Philly "F'n" Belmont on Jun 25, 2015 21:05:32 GMT -6

Absolutely no need for sub-weapons...but an option to disable them would be ideal.
We'll be buying, finding, trading and crafting real weapons.
There will be magic spells.
I imagine weapons with magic specials too...
Yeah, sub weapons kind of destroy the difficulty....IGAVania games already have a leveling up system making them easier through all the enemy kills tacked up. How OP do you. feel you "need" to be...lol

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Jun 25, 2015 18:46:26 GMT -6 Arcueid Brunestud said:

It wasn't just OP. It broke the game's difficulty. It's like using a nuke(that you're immune to) in a knife fight, it's just not right.

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Post by ghaleon on Jun 25, 2015 21:21:11 GMT -6

Yeah I rarely made much use of subweapons in many of the later castlevania games, but some were pretty op too. I can't remember which ones were in the 2 PS2 castlevania games but I think there were some that granted a fairly lengthy invincibility.

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Jun 25, 2015 23:57:12 GMT -6 DragonByDegrees said:

Do we need subweapons?

....Betteridge's law.

Do people want subweapons?

Some yes, some no, some don't care.

/thread

that's exactly what I want to read... peoples opinion. that is the point of this forum, right?

I just always felt Iga put sub weapons in because he had to... to pay homage to the original game. many times I felt most of them were forced. but as Cale posted earlier:

I found sub-weapons to be very useful. Usually there were enemies with unique traits, or at least traits you weren't able to deal with easily at the beginning of the games.

Some monsters were flying and you didn't have double jump, the axe was perfect to help you out. Some monsters were high Def, but weak to holy, but you didn't have holy damage until much later, so those monsters died fairly quickly to holy water. Some enemies were fast and had powerful knock backs, in which case you needed the dagger to kill them safely. The stopwatch was universally useful, from stopping enemies, to unlocking secrets, it's major drawback was the high cost.

They were never meant to be your main choice of attack, but rather a utility depending on the situation. With the removal of sub-weapons I am wondering if enemies will be more tame. Will they all walk up to you in a straight line to be slaughtered? Will secret rooms only need you to attack walls?

I hope we will have something in place of sub-weapons rather than just the removal.

I never really saw it that way... and the more I thought of it the more I do want something to pay homage to those old sub weapons, weather they be in spells or disposable weapons or whatever they decide. so I thank you all for your opinion and would love to hear more.

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Post by Nelson Belmont on Sept 30, 2015 12:02:58 GMT -6

I like sub weapons but if they decide not to have them on the game, I'm fine too. Now, someone mentioned the shield rod combinations and reminds me of Crissaegrim, would you like a weapon like that? Hard to find but makes the game easier

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Post by nekurors on Sept 30, 2015 22:12:06 GMT -6

Alchemy-related subweapons-style could do the trick, and instead of just obtain it easily destroying some candles around you should craft the alchemy recipes and enchant them if needed (like add an ingredient to add fire element to it).

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Post by BahamutKaiser on Oct 7, 2015 15:39:52 GMT -6

But those axes were so useful for elevated targets though u.u

I'm actually going for a more complete arsenal, one of the things that disappointed me the most in entries after SotN is that the variety of actions simultaneously available were reduced.

I will admit that the sub weapon system itself was a little antiquated in comparison to the variety of other actions, but a good variety of actions would be more enjoyable than occasionally switching between different actions and shelving inferior actions indefinitely because they compete with better choices.

I'm curious to know which systems would best replace sub weapons though.

Sept 30, 2015 22:12:06 GMT -6 nekurors said:

Alchemy-related subweapons-style could do the trick, and instead of just obtain it easily destroying some candles around you should craft the alchemy recipes and enchant them if needed (like add an ingredient to add fire element to it).

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Jun 25, 2015 23:57:12 GMT -6 DragonByDegrees said:

Do we need subweapons?

....Betteridge's law.

Do people want subweapons?

Some yes, some no, some don't care.

/thread

This.

I can live without subweapons, but I don't have anything against them. If they get in, that's cool, I guess. If not, I won't lose any sleep over it.

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